Axis of Evil?
Seriously though this is an absolute disgrace. It is actions like Haditha and the lack of justice / accountability for their actions that instill hatred for the US and their foreign policies in so many places around the world.
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Haditha massacre - Marine Sergant sentenced for..
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Axis of Evil?
Seriously though this is an absolute disgrace. It is actions like Haditha and the lack of justice / accountability for their actions that instill hatred for the US and their foreign policies in so many places around the world.
Yeah, pretty much. Confusing.
Indeed! Especially when committing war crimes like this and other infringments of human rights.
Just like Israel against innocent Palastinians and the Sudanesese against Christians in the southern territories.
The military plea bargains work is that you agree to the punishment when you agree to plead guilty. The judge can go under it but not over. Slight difference from civilian trials in the US- where you plead to the charge and the judge can go up to the max on that charge.
WTF!? Someone screwed up the rules here for that.
Why wouldn't he be? This is nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
To play Devil's Advocate: When that bomb went off, they were in a "combat situation," and didn't know if they were going to be fired upon. Generally, you check you'd check your target(s) to make sure they were enemy combatants, but I think in the rush/confusion of the IED going off they just went into "shoot first, ask questions later" mode.
Unfortunate, but I can understand the defense's reasoning behind it. I don't think you'd simply go "oh, a bomb went off and killed a squad-mate. Maybe we should see if anyone in these houses is a friendly..." first in that situation. And you going "oh, I totally would!" is a hind-sight-20/20 thing.
If you get demoted from an E-6 to an E-1, you're not staying in. He's out, with a bad discharge that will at least haunt him some the rest of his life, and he loses most of his benefits.
radioheadrule83
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He should be losing his freedom too if he's guilty.
The outside world would probably laugh if it weren't so unfunny and obvious that the coalition forces in Iraq have corrupted themselves beyond reproach with things like this. I don't mean the actual event, sometimes horrible shit happens in war... but defending them and cutting a deal that sees him only get three months...
It's just fucking sad.
I'm more reminded of the Mahmudiyah killings, where US Soldiers rape, kill and then burn the family's bodies to cover it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings
One gets life, the others mostly get 10 years or less. Some of them will be out in 6 years.
There's a reason why the rest of the world hates us, and it's because of travesties of justice like this.
Patrick Bateman
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"Fun fact": "Wüterich" in German means "Angry Dude".
Evil Benius
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You are looking at the dates they are eligible for parole, not with their actual sentences.
That doesn't lessen the disgust in the slightest.
Mohonky
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No one caught the film Battle for Haditha then? Go get it, its on dvd and BD.
Problem is command approved their actions then washed their hands of the incident later. The other problem is this is exactly the sort of reaction these asshats wants. They'll sacrifice the lives of their own people to continue fuelling the hatred.
Clusterfuck all round.
Problem is command approved their actions then washed their hands of the incident later. The other problem is this is exactly the sort of reaction these asshats wants. They'll sacrifice the lives of their own people to continue fuelling the hatred.
Clusterfuck all round.
Evil Benius
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It should because you are getting upset over a prison sentence that may or may not be that length. It is obvious that there were differences between the men convicted since some were not allowed parole at that length or at all.
axis of evil 2.0
In my original post I made allowances for the differences in some of the sentencing.
Secondly, the possibility of parole AT ALL in 10 years after committing rape and murder should disgust you.
Something Wicked
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Hmmm... a bit different reactions from certain members, whom I swear have claimed one needs absolute, definite proof for each individual to convict such people (for life in prison/death penalty)... though I'm not surprised.
Helscream
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After reading the OP I can't help but think of Metallica's ".....and Justice for All". Even though the song was more directed to internal issues in America's judicial branch of government. The song did a great job about describing its corruption. I don't like to make broad generalization's. But the more I read about this kind of shit the more I wonder if the definition of Honor has been lost.
Kitschkraft
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This is absolutely disgusting.
... past decade, seriously?
UPDATE: the guy is not going to prison:
More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/w...er-haditha-killings.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017324181_haditha25.html
evil solrac v3.0
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24 people died and they can't prove it was insurgents, WELL THEN WHO THE FUCK KILLED THEM? DJINN'S!?!? SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THIS!!
LOL. Just counting from the 9/11 victim card shit the U.S. has been pulling. Now that more people feel we don't belong in the Middle East I wonder if they will be more understanding when blowback hits, or will it be America the innocent all over again?
Maleficence
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This is so sad, and so fucked up.
Sho_Nuff82
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All this in a war we never should have fought.
Meus Renaissance
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I've gone to the the Marine Corps Facebook wall, linked them the story, and asked for their opinion.
Edit: They removed my post
Edit: They removed my post
...Can't say I am surprised.
Are you really wondering which of those it will be?
Maleficence
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Somebody really needs to make a stand against this shit.
Iraq made a stand, they refuse to allow US troops to stay in their country without being subject to their laws, specifically because of incidents like this where US soldiers commit war crimes then walk free. That's why the US is leaving Iraq, and why the GOP wants to re-invade Iraq already.
That's communist/atheist/liberal/un-American talk, mister.
Meus Renaissance
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Haditha residents react to the news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...residents-outraged-as-Marine-avoids-jail.html
There are orphans, widows and old people who are still suffering and hurting. Isnt Iraqi blood worth the same as American blood?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...residents-outraged-as-Marine-avoids-jail.html
Maleficence
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"In other news, the equivalent of 5 Americans were killed in Iraq today" /Onion
He killed 24 innocents. He should be dishonorably discharged and then put to death.
The US' idea of justice is so fucking laughable. Some people who are caught selling weed get more time than this piece of shit.
Of course its sarcasm. Bradley Manning is a hero.
Meus Renaissance
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It's probably worth bumping this thread after the recent court decision involving another incident, this time relating to Afghanistan, where a soldier went out on a killing spree, taking the lives of 16 civilians.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/05/american-soldier-expected-to-plead-guilty-in-afghan-massacre/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/05/american-soldier-expected-to-plead-guilty-in-afghan-massacre/
Deified Data
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Hopefully when he comes back home after his sentence and he'll be seen as the murderer he is as opposed to a hero. People can't let him forget that shit, even if his government is glad to.
cartoon_soldier
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I don't think anybody on this planet should be mistaken that US military believes the blood of foreign nationals is same as the blood of US military personnel.
What a joke of a military justice system. This is why the military should not be in charge of any prosecutions. It runs like an old boys club.
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