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Devolution
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They really should consider consolidated playlists for 4, would lead to better overall matching (more to choose from) and less quitters.
Bregmann Roche
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If you're trying to come up with a solution that will make all of us happy, you don't know us at all.
@Tashi: Sweet song bro. As for the T-Squared pic...what's a word that combines "awkward" and "strangely proud"?
Strawkwoud?
What is wrong with these new juniors?
I would have thought that it would lead to increased quitting due to people not getting the gametypes that they wanted. At least with more playlists everyone has somewhere to go to play what they want (in theory... I mean we still don't have that race playlist :/ ). Don't get me wrong I would like better skill matching and faster search times, but I don't know that consolidating playlists would result in fewer quitters.
Devolution
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Look how many different playlists there are right now. Tell me those can't be whittled down. And the reason people don't get what they want has more to do with shit ass multiplayer management and not updating based on voting trends.
People who like random crazy shit in their Halo should go play in the community playlists. Those are the people who would vote for Fiesta just to piss everyone off.
I thought it was going to suck but wow that was really good. Hope you win.
B M ARAGON
Member
I definitely agree with you - there is a ridiculous number of slayer playlists that could be consolidated easily and effectively. I wish that 343 did an overhaul of the playlists, giving us fewer playlists as it is obvious that the current population can't sustain so many lists.
Talking Halo 4 though, I think there is a sweet spot to be hit, providing adequate choice and good matchmaking.
Playlists:
Ranked Team Slayer: 4 voting options, giving two maps and AR starts or BR starts on each (assuming 343 doesn't do the best thing of BR/AR starts across the board).
Team Objective: Multi-Flag/Assault as option one, 1-Flag/1-Bomb as option 2 and Oddball/King/Stockpile etc as option 3.
FFA: Slayer only - no one should play objective in FFA.
Big Team: Flag, Bomb and Slayer options each voting screen.
Team Doubles: BR slayer, AR Slayer, KoTH/Oddball as voting options
Team SWAT
Team Snipers
MLG
Grifball
Living Dead
Social Slayer: Guest playlist, similar to Team Slayer.
Have your highest rank visible to everyone just looking at your GT - make people care about ranks again.
That would be enough playlists and should cater to most people.
Devolution
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VivaciousJazzy
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everything
It's too bad that the type of gameplay I liked is virtually impossible to have in Reach. Fair and orderly, but also variable and less team-dependant.
I really hope the FFA experience is improved for H4.
That's true... I'm not sure the most simple way to do it though. I mean there could be a question when you enter a playlist saying "AR or BR?" but then that would lead to the same problem as a ton of playlists...
I agree, I didn't add that cos I thought that was just expected.
Hypertrooper
Member
I like the logo, too. It looks like we are the minority here.
Reach looks so beautiful if it wouldn't use this damn grey filter.
xxjuicesxx
Member
So Reach is too easy with guns so we've decided beatdowns only.
Beautiful stuff.
You know, this makes me really want another Believe ad campaign for Halo 4 (or 5 or 6 or whatever).
SWAT should never be ranked. It was ruined in Halo 3 by being ranked, the Halo 2 version died and had to be deleted and came back later as Social.. it's not hardcore, it's just a different way of playing. Ranked SWAT made it so that once I hit 40, I just got hostbooted and standby'd and all that other fun shit that people do just to increase their pretend number.
If you're going to rank SWAT, you might as well rank Living Dead.
If you're going to rank SWAT, you might as well rank Living Dead.
xxjuicesxx
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Yea no. SWAT is competitive as shit at levels 48-50 in H3. I could name about twenty five players just dominating up there.
And all of them were Elites. You can make any playlist "competitive as shit", look at the Grifball leagues. I'd rather have a SWAT where people just play SWAT and not Get 10 Kills Ahead And Hide And Turtle.
Both Living Dead and SWAT have had ranked playlists in Halo. Both of them were negatively impacted by the change, and the social versions had tons more population and were a lot more fun. So yes, I can directly compare them. Hell, even Grifball had a ranked weekend playlist and it was nowhere near the population of the regular Grifball. I do appreciate being called dumb, though, for making an observation that ranking a playlist negatively affects the population of it.
I played Halo 2 from when Team SWAT first appeared (unranked), then was made ranked and completely changed for the worse. It only came back to it's former glory when it was deleted and came back unranked again, and all the stupid HLG turtling went away. Halo 3 Team SWAT was negatively affected by hostbooting and standby once you got to the higher levels. In Reach, everyone just plays SWAT no matter the skill level and I don't get hostbooted out of half my games because I don't want to participate in a stupid internet arms race.
And that's about how far I'm going discuss that, unless we can drop the personal digs. Making SWAT ranked in Halo 2, IMO, was a mistake. Bungie fixed the mistake. Making SWAT ranked in Halo 3 was a mistake. The mistake was never fixed. They did it correctly the first time in Reach and kept it that way. If 343 ranks it again in Halo 4, it will be a mistake again. My opinion.
Completely misses the point. SWAT isn't casual, but adding visible ranks to it, in my opinion, negatively changes the way people play the list. If you're super hardcore, your Trueskill will sort you with the other super hardcores. If it were possible to have both ranked and unranked SWAT, sure, whatever. But that will never happen, so if we can only have one, I'd rather have an unranked SWAT. MLG should get ranks. Team SWAT should not. But this ties into my belief that 1-50 should never come back anyway. The issue here is the way ranks psychologically change a playlist.
Fyre, I dig you and all, but that's ignorant as shit. Comparing SWAT to Living Dead is one of the dumber comparisons I've seen in this forum and I've seen some lame stuff. Living Dead is a social playlist you go into to play a stupid game where SWAT can actually be awfully tactical and team oriented depending on how far you work up.
Devolution
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Hahah competitive grifball.
xxjuicesxx
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Thats dumb because by the time there was Ranked Grifball everybody in the world besides KnockYARD was tired of it.
Furthermore SWAT and Grifball are two completely different playlists and Grifball removes the entire premise of Halo being two teams shooting each other. It creates another game within a game (some sort of Hockey Football game)
Finally SWAT is competitive and doesn't involve camping or turtling at the high ranks, nor is there a ton of standbying at high ranks. SWAT was a fun custom they created in Halo 2. Now its serious business. Its fun, but its also a good test of skill (headshots, speed, aim, awareness)
Furthermore SWAT and Grifball are two completely different playlists and Grifball removes the entire premise of Halo being two teams shooting each other. It creates another game within a game (some sort of Hockey Football game)
Finally SWAT is competitive and doesn't involve camping or turtling at the high ranks, nor is there a ton of standbying at high ranks. SWAT was a fun custom they created in Halo 2. Now its serious business. Its fun, but its also a good test of skill (headshots, speed, aim, awareness)
ElzarTheBam
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Oh I will, you French football loving hippie.
I can't believe it was my beloved Chris Carney that created uncaged, terrible.
Because of reach, we now have a saying that extends to every game we play, when someone lags, changes host or quits we say 'welcome to reach'.
bobs...onGaf
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I was tempted to go for the last ODST Skull but it looks like it would be literally 5 hours + gameplay (in one sitting)?
ODST Firefight was actually a fair amount of fun but screw that.
I was tempted to go for the last ODST Skull but it looks like it would be literally 5 hours + gameplay (in one sitting)?
ODST Firefight was actually a fair amount of fun but screw that.
Oh damn. If it takes that long I pretty much have to do it solo, because fuck getting disconnected halfway into it.
lol no
HiredN00bs
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Yup, anytime something sucky happens, and in Emile's voice. I just assumed everyone did it.
Played Perfect Dark last night...makes you appreciate something like Reach a lot more.
I still read the junior surveys. It allows me to see the ones who are super cautious about pissing off the Halogaf crowd. How about if the surveys were on Halogaf.com and the new juniors linked to them?
Fyre, you're not great at wording stuff, but I understood the point you were trying to get across and I think juices understood it as well. Fyre wasn't saying that SWAT isn't competitive, nor is he saying Grifball or Living Dead is more competitive. He's just saying that tying rank to a playlist affects how people play in it. I never played high level SWAT, because I never got there but also because I hardly played ranked.
Fyre, you're not great at wording stuff, but I understood the point you were trying to get across and I think juices understood it as well. Fyre wasn't saying that SWAT isn't competitive, nor is he saying Grifball or Living Dead is more competitive. He's just saying that tying rank to a playlist affects how people play in it. I never played high level SWAT, because I never got there but also because I hardly played ranked.
Rand0m TAG
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just hoping that in halo 4, default settings can be competitive enough for MLG. That way we can combine team slayer, team objectives, and mlg into 1. call it team hardcore.
ranked playlist:
- Team Hardcore
- FFA (no objectives)
- doubles
social playlists
- btb
- social slayer
- action sack
weekend playlists:
- race
- infection
- grifball
not sure where to put:
- swat
- sniper
i like them both as ranked and social (but leaning more towards ranked)
ranked playlist:
- Team Hardcore
- FFA (no objectives)
- doubles
social playlists
- btb
- social slayer
- action sack
weekend playlists:
- race
- infection
- grifball
not sure where to put:
- swat
- sniper
i like them both as ranked and social (but leaning more towards ranked)
I still need a lot of the coop Firefight achievements, if you need a competent partner
Tha Robbertster
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My approach to playlists in any Halo would be:
Ranked:
-Team Slayer
-Team objective (2-flag CTF, one flag, one bomb, KotH, Oddball, neutral bomb, Assault)
-SWAT
-Snipers
-MLG
Social:
-Team slayer (5v5)
-BTB (Slayer, 2-flag CTF, one flag, neutral bomb, assault, one bomb, territories)
-Multi Team (2v2v2v2 with slayer, oddball and KotH)
-Invasion
-DLC (6v6, same setup as BTB)
-Skirmish (8 player FFA with objective gametypes like KotH, Oddball, Juggernaut)
Cooperative:
-Campaign (4 player co-op)
-Firefight doubles
-Firefight classic (survive for as long as possible)
-Firefight arcade (fun, wacky gametypes for one set)
Weekend double exp:
-Infection
-Griffball
-Action Sack
-Rocket Race
-.....
So that would be 12 competitive multiplayer playlists at any given time.
Ranked:
-Team Slayer
-Team objective (2-flag CTF, one flag, one bomb, KotH, Oddball, neutral bomb, Assault)
-SWAT
-Snipers
-MLG
Social:
-Team slayer (5v5)
-BTB (Slayer, 2-flag CTF, one flag, neutral bomb, assault, one bomb, territories)
-Multi Team (2v2v2v2 with slayer, oddball and KotH)
-Invasion
-DLC (6v6, same setup as BTB)
-Skirmish (8 player FFA with objective gametypes like KotH, Oddball, Juggernaut)
Cooperative:
-Campaign (4 player co-op)
-Firefight doubles
-Firefight classic (survive for as long as possible)
-Firefight arcade (fun, wacky gametypes for one set)
Weekend double exp:
-Infection
-Griffball
-Action Sack
-Rocket Race
-.....
So that would be 12 competitive multiplayer playlists at any given time.
The Librarian
Banned
Now that is--yes. Good work! Much better than the current design.Couldn't sleep without tweaking the shader a bit. Two new options
I see what you mean.
But I have no idea how the fuck you prefer Reach BTB to 4 v 4.
In Halo 2 and 3 BTB was my shit. It was the most fun playlist in the game. In Reach, BTB is broken, shitty maps, slow, boring ugh....
But MLG takes the randomness out and injects this beautifully simple yet deep game of skill and teamwork where everything works as intended and you have full control, which is appealing also.
VivaciousJazzy
Member
This is so perfect. Wrap it in cloth and ship it.
ElzarTheBam
Member
fixed.
I never made it back to the computer last night, so I didn't get a chance to snip that flag return attempt until this morning.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=26488489
(The delay before hitting him was because I couldn't believe he wasn't going to turn around.)
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=26488489
(The delay before hitting him was because I couldn't believe he wasn't going to turn around.)
That was great. I just wish you hadn't used a clip of my gameplay for it.
I like you.
Tha Robbertster
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ElzarTheBam
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Hypertrooper
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Yep. That custom game was a lot of fun. I hope we can do it more often.
And he won't understand it.
ElzarTheBam
Member
I'm glad you did though. ; )
Diablohead
Member
triple kill with pro pipe, feels goodman
The Librarian
Banned
Gabotron ES
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Sorry B M ARAGON, I joined late and the lobby was full the whole time
Hypertrooper
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Yep. From Feb 3rd- Feb 5th.
DcLevartho
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The Librarian
Banned
Success
I like the first one the most. It has more of that metallic feel to it.
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