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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
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Don't play with my feelings.
Pop
Member
My feels...
StalkerUKCG
Banned
How is Dev Bashing like what J10 did not bannable. (especially when some of those dev's are other members here)
Fine disagree with a decision but then to say that the person who came up with that is a moron is just plain nasty and uncalled for.
Fine disagree with a decision but then to say that the person who came up with that is a moron is just plain nasty and uncalled for.
Calling 343 moronic for making moronic design choices is moronic? Is that right?
I thought I was speaking of the developer in general and not specific individuals. Insulting companies isn't tolerated here?
343 data collection? Do we not remember how they collected data for TU versus non-TU? It was incredibly flawed. There's no way for them to collect data on instant respawn without producing a copy without instant respawn in the same pool.
Steelyuhas
Member
No not really. "Classic" gametypes/playlist are never what you really want.
lol, instant respawn isn't going anywhere.
It needs to be eliminated in Oddball and King though.
:lol
Taken from here: Halo 4 vs CoD
Normally, I hate the Halo vs. CoD discussions, but let's see who wins this time.
Edit:
It's very mature, dude. It's also very mature, that I call you out now: Aren't you the guy, which was only for Frankie here in 1st place and not the community? If I remember correctly, you didn't want to return, but you have. Why?
Edit 2: Serious question btw. Not saying, that you should leave, I'm just curious.
Taken from here: Halo 4 vs CoD
Normally, I hate the Halo vs. CoD discussions, but let's see who wins this time.
Edit:
It's very mature, dude. It's also very mature, that I call you out now: Aren't you the guy, which was only for Frankie here in 1st place and not the community? If I remember correctly, you didn't want to return, but you have. Why?
Edit 2: Serious question btw. Not saying, that you should leave, I'm just curious.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Maybe it is, Maybe is isnt. I don't know. What I do know is that calling people moronic is uncalled for its disrespectful and unneeded. You don't agree with a choice that's fine me neither but as a community we are on relatively good terms with 343i going around calling the company or a single member of that company a moron is a pretty shitty thing to do.
Imagine if you put 3+ years of hard work and drive into something to be called a moron for it?
Constructive Criticism is best Criticism
GrimBrother One
Member
Hahahahahahaha
I would need to test it under normal conditions.
But I'm pretty sure the boltshot is stronger than the scattershot lmao.
Scattershot just shoots faster.
Would be interesting to see the kill range of the boltshot vs shotgun.
Good lord this gun is a joke gone bad. Move it to ordnance please.
I would need to test it under normal conditions.
But I'm pretty sure the boltshot is stronger than the scattershot lmao.
Scattershot just shoots faster.
Would be interesting to see the kill range of the boltshot vs shotgun.
Good lord this gun is a joke gone bad. Move it to ordnance please.
I'd believe that. Boltshot is wicked overpowered. It's literally a shotgun. When it's not a shotgun, it's a headshot capable semi auto pistol. Outside of maybe BTB, why would you want anything different?
Blue Ninja
Member
Huh, there's some really cool stuff stored in Ivanoff Station when you're exploring it.
The activation index, whoo.
Preordered it today, Map maker looks great.
(I know it would be A LOT of work but 343/CA seriously needs to turn Forge into something like that and I am sure they would be able to if they got ALL of CA to work on it or something)
I know, just poking at the pretence of this data collection, which will most likely be self-serving.. (God help us if they track X button-presses or something, "even if you don't like it, you like it.")
I only mash x because I'd rather not see a laggy sitrec.
I guess because they need time to show the whole killcam that it has to be 5 seconds + instant option, so we can't have a compromise with a hard 3 second spawn without taking cams out, which is even less likely.
;__;
That's on the 7th mission right? If so, I will try to find it and maybe I will make a short clip.
The Lamonster
Member
Did 343i lower the chance of Ragnarok showing up in BTB? Seems like I haven't been seeing it as much in the last couple days.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Its crazy how much has gone into that and all we have got is largely a collection of the same forge pieces again. It looked like Far Cry even had more pre-made building peices than even Forge does lol.
I dont think a full on Far Cry type terrain editing map editor would work well with Halo, those maps would take ages to load up. I just wish that if the editor is simply going to be a lego building block simulator that they get the lego blocks right.
Far Cry maps are only around 3MB, it would take seconds to download.
Or do what I've been saying since before Reach. Make Anvil be the map/terrain editor, and make Forge the weapon/object editor.
EDIT: watching the whole editor video, I'm almost tempted to pick up Far Cry 3 just for the map editor.
squidhands
Member
I don't understand why 343 thought experienced forgers were so ignorant and incapable of using a real editor that they continued on with the same children's block approach to map making that we've had since 2007. Everything in this video is something Halo 4 should have offered with Forge (yes, even the land sharks), yet we got Halo 3-level saving issues, mismatched pieces, and "innovations" like magnets and shadows. :-|
I like this idea too, but seriously if Far Cry can manage making there maps only 3MB I really don't see why CA couldn't pull off the same magic if 343 gave them a lot of time to work with it.
Anybody who uses "moron" to drive a point is the only moron in the room.
That looks wonderful, laughed when he spawned the sharks.
The Lamonster
Member
I don't blame 343 for not re-inventing the wheel with their first original Halo game. They really just needed to prove to the world that they can make a kick-ass traditional Halo game and will most likely give us some major improvements in Halo 5.
I agree with you though, hopefully they look at FC3 as inspiration because it looks awesome.
squidhands
Member
my brain, you've melted it.
I don't know, the only reason that I can see why they would change things up to be more like FC is the new xbox hardware. Beyond that, I don't see 343 making the effort to overhaul Forge.
bobs...onGaf
Member
What the hell??? Already? When are you flying off?
Think of the bandwidth!!!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
So uh
are you guys still playing this game
*hasn't played since the week of release*
are you guys still playing this game
*hasn't played since the week of release*
Forge is the one feature I am very disappointed with, not because its the same as Halo: Reach, its the same as Halo: Reach with 2 extra features.
I mean even indie games have better map makers than Halo
(Game above was made by a friend/Gaffer and the map file sizes are amazingly small)
I can deal with it for Halo 4, but Halo 5 will need to have a revamped Forge and not just some extra pieces.
I mean even indie games have better map makers than Halo
(Game above was made by a friend/Gaffer and the map file sizes are amazingly small)
I can deal with it for Halo 4, but Halo 5 will need to have a revamped Forge and not just some extra pieces.
I break brains. Brains.
lol. i'll probably be at his house playing halo 4 till I go.
prob December bobs. bought a new laptop. need more fundzzzzzz
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I started forging a map last night and i miss fine touch and the item limit is still too small. Also the lighting fucked up on me
what? as far as mp goes, traditional halo is far from being an accurate description of the game...
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Yeah, still waiting for that proof of concept
The P of Poland
Member
What?
Halo 4 makes Reach look like classic Halo.
Viewtiful pls.
Hopefully 343 is taking notes from this game and doesn't let CA touch the next forge. I'll be buying FC3 just to mess around with the map editor.
The biggest issue I have with Halo 4 is that it's not as predictable as previous Halo games, including Reach to a lesser extent. Halos multiplayer to me has always been about its simplicity. There are two teams who all being on an even playing field who are placed on a map and whoever plays the best during a match will win. The end result is only influenced by what the players do during a game, nothing else.
Halo Reach changed this slightly. You could influence the match by choosing what you spawn with. At first Bungie acted like this was going to be a big deal in Reach but in the end only Invasion really used to a great extent. Outside of that playlist most loadouts only differed in what AA you would spawn with. Even this, though, caused some annoyances on my part. You couldnt predict what type of AA chose at spawn which lead to frustrating moments like people suddenly going into Armor Lock, going invisible out of nowhere or getting up to places with the Jetpack which you couldnt practically predict. Luckily these annoyances were relatively rare as most people chose for sprint most of the time so in most cases you knew what you were up against. Then as time went on more and more AAs were removed from certain playlists making them less and less of an issue. Sure, the AAs themselves were still very obnoxious at times, but thats another issue entirely. In terms of predictability Reach wasnt all that bad (lol bloom).
Halo 4, however, takes all of this a step further: it allows you to completely determine what kinds of weapons, AAs and even perks you spawn with. You could be going up against someone with an automatic rifled, precision rifle, a mini-shotgun, a plasma pistol, a headshot capable secondary, most of the time you dont find out until youre already in a battle with him. Then take into account the AAs and perks and it turns the game into an inconsistent mess. Just like in Reach people can go invisible, they can dash away, they can be (sort of) invincible, all at the press of a button, without warning. But even there was a clear visual indication of what kind of AA or perk someone has it wouldnt be enough. By the time you find this out you could be screwed over by it already.
Then theres the global ordnance drops. 343 said previously that its implemented to prevent people from camping at certain areas on the map waiting for a power weapon to spawn, but I doubt this is their real reasoning. It most likely has more to do with bad and inexperienced players not knowing where and when everything spawns and them getting killed numerous times by players who did put effort into getting to know all this. To prevent this they shrank the gap between the two groups and made it so its practically impossible to consistently predict where weapons spawn. I feel like global ordnance ruins the flow of matches. Where in previous Halo games you could set up goals mid-match of getting a certain weapon, or prevent the other team from getting one, thats gone now. People mostly just run around the map looking for people to kill and every now and then move towards a waypoint that appeared on the map somewhere. Theres much less direction to a match than previously and it makes everything feel a bit sloppy and uncontrolled.
Personal ordnance drops are probably a worse offender than the global system, though. Its only in a few playlist but I still think its worth mentioning because I really dont want 343 to take it a step further with it. Next thing you know the personal ordnance system has evolved its way into all playlist as a basic feature in Halo 5. The problem with the system, again, is that its not predictable. Both in terms of predicting when someone else will get it and what kind of weapon that person will get. Numerous times in (Big Team) Infinity Slayer I would get killed by a power weapon which I could not have seen coming in any sort of practical way. Someone could let a Sniper or Binary Rifle drop in and kill you before you even knew that kind of weapon was on the map. It results in many frustrating moments throughout every match. Overall Ive been doing quite well in Halo 4 but even just dying a few times because of things that I couldnt possible predict can ruin a match for. I can go 20 in 5 and feel annoyed because a guy pulled a Incineration Cannon out of his ass when I ran around the corner. How can I anticipate something like that?
Every one of these aspects cause the game to be unfairly unpredictable in my eyes and results in me feeling screwed over by the game mechanic and systems, rather than being outplayed by the player that killed me. Its the same reason why I stopped playing Call of Duty. At a certain point during MW2 I got tired of getting taken down by predator missiles off spawn and sold it.
With Halo 4 I just dont have the patience anymore. 343 is clearly taking the franchise into a direction that I heavily dislike and I dont see any patches, title updates or matchmaking updates fixing the biggest issues I have with the game. Even if so itll probably only available in a single playlist which simply isnt enough for me. I want a game that isnt completely designed around things that I dont like.
And lets not forget all the issues that the game has aside from this big issue with predictability.
- Flinch is an annoyance more than anything, especially considering that you have to zoom in more often because of the size of the maps. Sure, descoping was annoying at times but I liked the dynamic of the mechanic, especially during battles at medium range. I also dont see how flinching gives people a better chance to fight back if you get pinged in BTB. You still get ripped to shreds before you have a proper chance to fight back.
- Active Camo. It simply doesnt work in any way as an Armor Ability. 343 had the perfect opportunity to turn it into a power-up again via the personal ordnance system but didnt for some reason.
- Jetpack. Aside from it breaking the layout of most maps, it simply isnt fun fighting against them. The movement of jetpackers simply isnt predictable enough in my opinion. When you run around a corner you have your reticle at head level because thats where most people will be. With the jetpack that positions people can be at increases exponentially making it very frustrating to fight against.
- Promethean Vision. Sure, it doesnt have such an immediate effect as some of the other AAs, but it can make the game slow down to a crawl, more so than the radar ever did. It also shrinks the awareness skillgap since people can see where people are, what direction theyre facing and heading, and even what kind of weapon theyre wielding.
- The Boltshot. Its a shotgun that you can spawn with. I used it all the time and Ill admit that I enjoyed doing so, but its pretty broken.
- The campaign. Im not going to do a big write-up about this but Ill just say that is was pretty underwhelming. The storytelling was particularly poorly done, gameplay was dull and the levels felt restricted compared to Halo 3. Why, after two games, we still havent gone back to the scale of that game I will never understand.
- Forge. In several ways a step back from Reachs variant. Overall, the objects are less useful than in Reach, precision placement is gone, and Impact, Ravine and Erosion are less flexible than Forge World ever was. Even the better lighting introduces several issues like it making enclosed maps look bland and it sometimes glitching out when the amount of objects on a map gets too high.
- Spartan Ops. I hoped this mode would give us challenging, more specific types of co-op missions it gave us something entirely different. A mode where you mindlessly kill hordes of Covenant and Prometheans (both of which arent that fun to fight), with an infinite amount of lives, reused and seemingly random environments, a lackluster story (during the missions), no customization and no theater is what we got instead.
I could go on and on about the numerous big issues that Halo 4 has (Which I did) but Ill keep it to this for now.
So yeah, I kept playing Reach for a long time (Mainly because zero bloom, Forge map testing, and Team Objective pooping) and you wont find me saying that its a better game than Halo 4, but at its core Halo Reach is more Halo to me than Halo 4 is. Reach was annoying enough at times, but Halo 4 takes this a step further and I simply cant enjoy it anymore. Ill admit: Reach was mostly fun because trueskill didnt work properly as a result of the low population number of the playlists that I played in. Ive played a shitload of Team Objective and Squad Slayer simply because whenever we went into those playlist as a team, 90% of the time we would go incredibly positive and absolutely destroy the other team. MLG (0% bloom, no sprint) was the only competitively viable playlist in Reach and it was the only playlist that was fun to play in against good players, but sadly not many people on my friendslist played it regularly so I stuck to beating up bad players.
Trueskill in Halo 4 does seems to work better, (I definitely got better opposition towards the end) but ironically enough this actually made the game less fun for me. Both Reach (MLG aside) and Halo 4 are not competitively sound in my eyes so actually playing it against good players isnt fun at all. This is because I feel like I get killed often not because the other player is that great, but because some aspects of the game are flawed. Bloom in Reach is a good example of this. Sometimes I would get killed because my opponents just spammed his DMR and got a lucky headshot, just like Ive done to my enemies numerous times. It feels unfair.
Im tired of hoping for that matchmaking update, that TU, that next game that will make most of what I want in Halo a reality. Halo has lost most of the aspects that appealed to me the most and what made the franchise stand out for me so I bid it farewell, for the time being at least.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I never in a million years thought you can make a Halo that was LESS Halo then Reach. Like, that should not have been humanly possible.
This is some crazy shit. This will go down in the history books as an incredible event of our time.
This is some crazy shit. This will go down in the history books as an incredible event of our time.
The Lamonster
Member
I get bored with predictability. The most skilled players dominate every game and it's not fun.
IMO Halo 4 is a return to form but with a new shiny gloss. As I've said before, I haven't been this excited about Halo multiplayer since Halo 2.
I am now happily 343's bitch.
IMO Halo 4 is a return to form but with a new shiny gloss. As I've said before, I haven't been this excited about Halo multiplayer since Halo 2.
I am now happily 343's bitch.
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