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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
- Thread starter The Librarian
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Because on paper it's a great idea, in execution it failed. I think they're probably aware of this, and have a way to fix it. Of course I have nothing to support this theory. I won't care one way or another, although I am VERY open to new big team gametypes since BTB is a crock of shit in it's current form. Has been a crock of shit since halfway through Halo 3.
Hypertrooper
Member
I think PAX Prime is the perfect event for showing mainy stuff which used by the most communities: Theater, Forge and community-favorite Gametypes like BTB, CTF etc. We saw already some differences at Comic-Con, so I am expecting the "unveil" should not be far away. And I hope a Spartan Ops mission which will show off a more open sandbox gameplay.
On the other hand it looks like I am not going to participate the Pre-GAF meet up. Someone *cough* rukizzel *cough* invited me to a BBQ. But I am in for every other GAF meet-up during PAX.
And especially in the morning before the Expo Hall opens, so we can run to Halo 4 together in a giant group.Yeah this. I liked it but I wont miss it. At the end of the day it was just team objective with AR starts and so much Rollin Limp BiZkit couldnt get a look in.
I think that's part of the problem. Invasion sort of had a sweet spot where you had a good variety of loadouts and some more interesting movement, but the beginning was the attackers throwing themselves into a hail of automatic weapon fire, and the final phase was attackers throwing themselves into a hail of every power weapon possible.
Part of the issue was maps--at least the Forged ones add variety. The other issues, however, I think were systemic. While I love Invasion and it's a blast to play with a party, I think it unfortunately never reached its potential, and I have no idea how you could "fix" it without rethinking it entirely.
Hitmonchan107
Member
Infinity Slayer slipped my mind. That's definitely the flagship mode. But 343 hinted at exciting new gametypes/game modes awhile back. I hope we get to see those at PAX.
I think we'll see the second Forge environment at PAX, and they'll hold the third off for a future date.
Here's my speculative information release schedule:
August:
- Non-OST music reveal
- PAX Reveals: new multiplayer map, second Forge map, Theater/Community reveal (Community as in File Share, etc.)
- Multiplayer Vidoc (at PAX)
September:
- PAX Wrap Up
- Challenges/Custom Challenges
- Covenant Arsenal revealed
- Start weekly multiplayer map reveals
- Third and final Forge map
October:
- Forerunner Arsenal revealed
- Forward Unto Dawn movie
- New vehicles
- Weekly multiplayer map reveals (all remaining multiplayer maps revealed)
What could you really do in 10 minutes in Forge, even if it truly is a great step forward in usability?
This would be ideal, but at this rate we will have more OXM article covering RTX and OXM Ryan saying there's a big surprise and it will be Neil Davidge working on H4 music..
...save me.
Maps are 99% of the problem. By creating maps for the game to support Invasion, you get maps that work for the gametype and function mediocre at best, let's be honest, and then in turn they don't provide good BTB play. They should have exclusively used Forge maps from the get-go (grey etc etc), and let the BTB maps truly be BTB maps. Instead we get some of the messiest large maps ever put in a Halo game.
Remake Cragmire
To be fair, he actually had a mod come in here specifically to tell HIM to rethink the way he posts... Probably should've listened. If he requested the self-ban, really? No self-control whatsoever?
It would just be nice to see all the new environments (or at least one more) as well as the extended palette they've added.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Nothing beats using a full team of 8 Elites in H3 BTB, driving Warthogs, cappin' flags!
Just realized this was screenshotted on 1/17/08
What about the Groups feature that was mentioned on Expertzone?
Hitmonchan107
Member
Actually, I expect the weekly multiplayer map reveals to start in September. There's a ton of information to release. The info train will arrive at PAX. Destination: Hype.
What about the Groups feature that was mentioned on Expertzone?
This is news to me. Sounds like the perfect information for the multiplayer Vidoc.
Navidson REC
Member
Yeah, I agree... Then again, it's not like everyone will always have a pistol at hand, so this shouldn't have a huge impact... I guess.
Bu-dum-tishhh.
too much eslim
Member
Halo gaf is too fast. How you guys go through two OT in one month?
Hitmonchan107
Member
On the other hand it looks like I am not going to participate the Pre-GAF meet up. Someone *cough* rukizzel *cough* invited me to a BBQ. But I am in for every other GAF meet-up during PAX.
Jelly! I want to see what passes for BBQ in Seattle.
too much eslim
Member
I think Invasion would work if it was literally a class based gametype.
Hypertrooper
Member
Do you arrive at Thursday? If so, ask him if you can join.
Gabotron ES
Member
You never get to fully experience the awesomeness of Invasion till you get banshee-camped for the whole third tier.
In all seriousness, the addition of perks and mods would make for an awesome and more inmersive invasionesque experience.
Invasion is also very competive and tactical, I cry everytime someone compares it to zombies or whatever...
It was in the Expertzone quiz it said Halo 4 allows you to "create, organize and track groups" so basically the return on clans.
I'm still a little dubious about that...
Did we get told all the multiplayer maps before previous Halo's were realeased? Can't remember.
Tha Robbertster
Member
We also still need to know about how leveling and ranking works.
Don't see why they would list it on an official Microsoft retail site which sole purpose is to make sure retail employees can sell the games, no info in any of the other quizzes for other games has ever been wrong.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Fixed.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
At this point, the reveals I'm most anticipating are:
- Ranking system.
- Clan/group support.
- New MP maps.
- Spartan Ops customization.
- The BTB "Invasion replacement" gametype they've been teasing.
I don't want to see any Promethean vehicles before launch. I want the :-O factor to stay pure.
- Ranking system.
- Clan/group support.
- New MP maps.
- Spartan Ops customization.
- The BTB "Invasion replacement" gametype they've been teasing.
I don't want to see any Promethean vehicles before launch. I want the :-O factor to stay pure.
Where did they mention this?
I think I knew all of Reach's maps before launch, but I don't know if it was because of leaks.
leaks.. Good point, some people had reach around late august on their JTAG's, do you think it will happen again?
I hope PAX will cover some good stuff, hopefully a ranking system.
Hypertrooper
Member
It was mentioned at a bulletin I think. Someone asked if Invasion returns and they said it won't but there will be a gametype which fills the "missing" spot.
Stay away from G4TV and Gamespot reviews.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
That article said 10 new weapons and 2 new vehicles, right?
Weapons:
- Sticky Detonator
- SAW
- Railgun
- Storm Rifle
- Light Rifle
- Scattershot
- Boltshot
- Surpressor
- Forerunner Sniper
- Forerunner Rocket?
Vehicles:
- Mammoth
- Mech
Same with Campaign for me and that Mech. Spoiling that Reach Sabre reveal was disappointing.. Imagine playing that for the first time and not knowing you're about to blast off into space in a frikkin Star Wars space battle??
I think it's quite interesting how before Halo 3's release, there was an anticipation to see the details of enemy weapons and vehicles(in regards to what the Brutes brought to the table). Now for Halo 4, almost everyone wants the Promethean arsenal to be a relative mystery. I wonder if it is because we feel that we have been spoiled too much for previous games or if it is because the Prometheans aren't Covenant. They're something completely new, and not rehashed.
User 73706
Banned
Just a suggestion in order to allow the final remaining new weapon slot to be filled by something unique: maybe the Golf Club is returning with Gravity Hammer-like function, but will only be used in Grifball and similar gametypes that require it as a replacement.
Vire
Member
New favorite junior.I love Invasion
RebornYeti
Member
Why else do you think they're pre-selling the DLC with the Wargames pass? They'll only be able to get the first pack out before the world ends.
The world ends on my birthday.
So your the one who is going to end up killing us all then.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
The world ends on my birthday.
The Mayans didn't have a leap year, so if the world was going to end it would've already ;]
NobleGundam
Banned
How about a medium sized map with a multi-objective gametype suitable for Halo 4?
*Just an idea I made up* 500 pts to win -
Make your way to obtain enemy territories to unlock your ordnance meter. Once unlocked you gain access for your team to obtain ordnance weapons after kill requirements met. And If your territory gets captured, you Lose your access to ordnance weapons.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I don't think 343 has explicitly said "Invasion replacement", but they've been heavily hinting at some new BTB gametype that will scratch a similar itch. The impression I've got is that it will be 343's new flagship gametype for BTB, like Infinity Slayer is to 5v5. People have been speculating that it's objective based, and that one of those leaked pics (from Barngate, I think?) showed off some of the HUD / waypoint markers that may be used in the gametype.
Edit : I think Invasion is an awesome idea, but it was ruined by a few things:
- Bad spawn system.
- Bad maps.
- Bad vehicles.
- Bloom.
- Armor Lock.
- No precision weapons for Elites in phase one.
I really don't think 32 player Halo would be as fun as people think it would be. Now if it was set up like Battlefield or something then maybe.
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