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They made their own water cooling solution, interesting read.
They made their own water cooling solution, interesting read.
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HardOCP water cools the Xbox 360...
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MomoPufflet
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Blaster1X said:
"...we did it simply because no one else had done it and 'because we could.' That was our motivation then and that is partially our motivation now."
Yamaha98 said:
QFT
Console overheats are still common to a lot of people. At my local EB where they have the Kiosk in a little nook in the store with hardly any air circulation, every now & then the screen goes from wow COD2! to oh... PINK triangles and lag... they turn off the console when that happens. When people see it and say "what just happened?" the manager always responds with "oh these are demo units and their a bit buggy, plus the disk is a bit scratched so it happens sometimes" :lol
m0dus said:You actually hotlinked an off-site rolleyes .gif. Who's being defensive, exactly? :lol
But the concern is the fact that some people are fabricating a widespread overheating 'problem', and implying that the machine is defectively designed, when the failure rate among 360's is statistically insignificant (IE, it is exactly what is to be expected from any consumer electronics launch, and well within accepted norms). Simply because it is Microsoft, it is blown way out of proportion. Hell--look how many part-time sears employees are swearing up and down there's gonna be a 'recall' in the next month or so. A couple 360's out of every 50-100,000 overheating is hardly as significant as, say, having to prop up your playstation on hockey-pucks because it will start skipping after an hour of play of resident evil. Remember those days?
I've had my 360 by a fireplace, sitting on a new persian rug that feels extra soft and furry. It didn't overheat or nothing. It was sitting horizontally btw.
But I was just watching a movie on it.
Who knows how hot it would have gotten if I was playing a game for 3 hours.Agent Icebeezy
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m0dus said:Heh. the vast majority of people are logging extremely long gameplay sessions on it without problems. People who have defective units can be very vocal (and rightfully so) but, like most launch issues, it gets blown out of proportion by others with an agenda
Yeah, I fell asleep playing Madden yesterday. Woke up about 4 hours later, starting playing again. The screen darkened in, hit the start button, I was checking the standings within 5 seconds
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
This is stupid.
Laughable even. C'mon M$.
Address the heat issues already. That alone is making me wait for a hardware revision before copping a 360. I can't be the only one.
Laughable even. C'mon M$.
Address the heat issues already. That alone is making me wait for a hardware revision before copping a 360. I can't be the only one.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
That may be the case for yours, but apparently there are people that have done what you suggest, and they have had re-producable overheats. That's a problem.
DaCocoBrova said:
I'm not going to dispute their cases, but I would like to put something else out there.
I heard that people who were getting scratched disks from their 360's were actually tilting the console from vertical to horizontal (or visa versa) after they had put a game disk in while it was running.
The point being, there are a lot of stupid people out there who will claim they have done nothing wrong, but in fact are dumber than a sack of doorknobs and cause many of their own problems. There may be a legit problem with overheating, but I am skeptical.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
^^
You have a 360 right? Well check out the back of the box (I can't find an image of the back online). There's an image of the console in both orientations, w/ an arrow showing how it can be set either way. I don't think you can blame consumers from thinking that's OK to do when that's there.
You have a 360 right? Well check out the back of the box (I can't find an image of the back online). There's an image of the console in both orientations, w/ an arrow showing how it can be set either way. I don't think you can blame consumers from thinking that's OK to do when that's there.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
There's no such thing as common sense.
Really, I'm just playing devil's advocate. They can at least put a warning in the manual. Did they?
Really, I'm just playing devil's advocate. They can at least put a warning in the manual. Did they?
VictimOfGrief
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Anyone that does this or anyone that buys this "thing" that they've done, I'm deeming a fucktard.
So I guess bring it on. I'm ready to blast the comments out.
So I guess bring it on. I'm ready to blast the comments out.
To answer your question...yes. There is an explicit warning NOT to move your 360 with a disk in its drive.
Mark me down as another person without any issues...except for PDZ...there is some bug in the game that locks up the system when you try to reload a checkpoint...arg! Other than that, I've had nothing. I've run my system for a continuous 10 hours recently with friends over and everything was fine.
Mark me down as another person without any issues...except for PDZ...there is some bug in the game that locks up the system when you try to reload a checkpoint...arg! Other than that, I've had nothing. I've run my system for a continuous 10 hours recently with friends over and everything was fine.
DenogginizerOS
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I thought the X360 was already liquid cooled in some form or fashion. I remember hearing this in the video MS released talking about how the X360 was engineered. Did it get removed in the final version?
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Had they not, this thread would not exist.
I can see it being nice simply because the fans are so loud. My girlfriend commented (literally) that it was like "standing next to an airplane" when I was playing CoD2 yesterday.
Besides [h] will always do stuff like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same to a PS3 when it comes out.
Besides [h] will always do stuff like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same to a PS3 when it comes out.
It may seem a little extreme, but then again, so was the temperature drop the water cooling resulted in. I think what interests me even more than that though, is the potentially large drop in sheer dB versus the stock cooling setup.
Barry Lightning
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1. Launch defects get blown WAY out of proportion. See also: DC disc probs, PS2 uh...something or the other, Xbox disc probs and PSP button complaints. Defects are the exception, not the rule, and anything with a significant defect rate would be big news elsewhere than gaming forums.
2. Had it ever occured to some that the 360 was maybe designed to run hot? I don't mean that the engineers wanted extreme heat, but that the design accomodates the current "high" temperatures. Hell, sometimes a really hot exhaust from a box simply means your cooling solution is working efficiently to wick heat away from components.
3. [H] rocks. I would still go with a peltier over liquid-cooling, b/c I simply do not trust gaskets, o-rings and clamps to provide consistent seals over the period of 2-5 years that you may have a console or PC. That and liquid-cooling still needs some fans to cool, and it adds considerable bulk. A peltier will fit in the case. PEACE.
2. Had it ever occured to some that the 360 was maybe designed to run hot? I don't mean that the engineers wanted extreme heat, but that the design accomodates the current "high" temperatures. Hell, sometimes a really hot exhaust from a box simply means your cooling solution is working efficiently to wick heat away from components.
3. [H] rocks. I would still go with a peltier over liquid-cooling, b/c I simply do not trust gaskets, o-rings and clamps to provide consistent seals over the period of 2-5 years that you may have a console or PC. That and liquid-cooling still needs some fans to cool, and it adds considerable bulk. A peltier will fit in the case. PEACE.
Pimpwerx said:
1) Agree
2) Agree
3) You still need another cooling solution with peltier. Air / fan along won't do it. Most computer systems with them uses at least a water system to cool the hot side of the peltier. Another big problem is condensation around the peltier which will cause electric shorts. It takes alot of effort to control that. Think you don't fully understand how peltiers work. [H] went right. Water is simple and good enough.
Shit, I forgot about that. When I first learned about peltiers, chip temps weren't particularly bad then, so the peltiers weren't spitting out as much heat and fansinks still sufficed. With temps going up, I bet watercooling might be necessary. The peltier will just give you lower temps overall. Thanks for the correction. PEACE.myzhi said:
Mr_Furious
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Maybe if all you "cool" people would lay your console horizontally, maybe you wouldn't have heating probs 
. The design of the 360 for vertical placement is piss poor.
. The design of the 360 for vertical placement is piss poor.Regardless of what people say the 360 has been blown out of proportion with defects. Ive had much more PSP problems and returns at my store than any 360s. I've had this conversation 3 times in my last 3 shifts...
"Yo dawg, dey make a new 360y to stop all the problems?"
No, there were some def. units but Microsoft isn't going to change the design.
"Ain't wat I heard I heard they all broke and waz gonna make a new one"
Umm..no same system.
"Thats wack........you have any 306z dare?"
No out of stock.
"When yall gettin mo?"
Not sure, probably March at earliest we still have pre-orders to fufill.
"click.............."
I think most of the 360 problems are from people who are bitter and don't actually own one. I've known a few people with 360 problems, They had it shipped out and recieved a new one in about a week.
"Yo dawg, dey make a new 360y to stop all the problems?"
No, there were some def. units but Microsoft isn't going to change the design.
"Ain't wat I heard I heard they all broke and waz gonna make a new one"
Umm..no same system.
"Thats wack........you have any 306z dare?"
No out of stock.
"When yall gettin mo?"
Not sure, probably March at earliest we still have pre-orders to fufill.
"click.............."
I think most of the 360 problems are from people who are bitter and don't actually own one. I've known a few people with 360 problems, They had it shipped out and recieved a new one in about a week.
HokieJoe said:
Your point maybe true in a computer case, but no way that heatsink will fit inside a Xbox 360 case. It's way too big. This thread deals with Xbox 360 cooling. Thus, you really have not point by using that heatsink as an example.
As for computer cooling, air / heatsink maybe practical, but can't compare it to peltier / watercooling for heat removal. People that go the later route aren't doing it to be practical, but large performance gains.