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[skit_data]

That's quite a lot, +3db is double perceived volume. Just saying.

It’s a logarithmic scale though

 

[BoxFresh123]

 

[M1chl]

It is around 23% more perceived volume.
It is 100% more sound energy.

Each 1db increase around 7% the loudness.

Sorry I mixed up, perceived volume and sound energy, I will fix my post.

It’s a logarithmic scale though

That's what I wanted to say by my post. But I mixed up two variables.

 

[Md Ray]

The CPU looks cooler but the memory and VRM(?) are hotter? You are right the system seems louder too. I don't see how these results prove Austin's opinion was wrong.

"I don't see how these results prove Austin's opinion was wrong."

He was doubling down on the SoC (CPU) running hotter and that it will result in thermal throttling issues in future titles. But here we see the SoC is literally -10 C cooler than the old model.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

A lot of text again without any substance.

"Is Worst"?

Power draw in idle on the new one is lower and on high load power draw on the new one is higher.

This means most likely that the APU is performing better. (We might even see some FPS
difference in favor of the new PS5)

If these measurements in the clip are reliable.
That means you and your Austin are fudders.

I'm a fudder by looking at the whole range of provided numbers (and not just one or two cherry-picked ones) and seeing that there are increases in a lot of them? You act like I didn't call to areas where the new one is better like the CPU operating temperature etc.

You are a lot more focused on power draw but I think temps are what need to be looked at a bit more here; we already know PS5 works by fixed power draw rates (that it can dynamically adjust allocation of between CPU and GPU), but these don't necessarily take attention to thermals. I.e if a game needs certain power draw for a certain segment it's always going to get it regardless of where operating thermals get to in doing so (in fact even if there's a warning of thermals getting too hot the user can choose to keep playing anyway).

Look at the bigger picture here. Overall I said it's probably about on par or slightly better than the old model in practice, but yes there are some areas where the numbers alone show it is worst. And this isn't like the "paper specs" of the console architectures; there's real-world consistencies in thermodynamics external to any architecture designs we can always apply to these things the same way, each and every single time.

Maybe stop calling everyone who sees the results different from you a fudder for starters?

 

[Alder]

I have a joke...

3 probes go into a ps5...

 

[PropellerEar]

I'm a fudder by looking at the whole range of provided numbers (and not just one or two cherry-picked ones) and seeing that there are increases in a lot of them? You act like I didn't call to areas where the new one is better like the CPU operating temperature etc.

You are a lot more focused on power draw but I think temps are what need to be looked at a bit more here; we already know PS5 works by fixed power draw rates, but these don't necessarily take attention to thermals. I.e if a game needs certain power draw for a certain segment it's always going to get it regardless of where operating thermals get to in doing so (in fact even if there's a warning of thermals getting too hot the user can choose to keep playing anyway).

Look at the bigger picture here. Overall I said it's probably about on par or slightly better than the old model in practice, but yes there are some areas where the numbers alone show it is worst. And this isn't like the "paper specs" of the console architectures; there's real-world consistencies in thermodynamics external to any architecture designs we can always apply to these things the same way, each and every single time.

Maybe stop calling everyone who sees the results different from you a fudder for starters?

You're agenda is clear and you're making yourself a clown already.

Edit. Typo

 

[PropellerEar]

I have a joke...

3 probes go into a ps5...

 

[XXL]

So far this thread is at least 5 degrees cooler than the last one.

 

[LimanimaPT]

What?! A company that builds hardware from since I don't know when knows exactly what they are doing? Shocker...

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

You're agenda is clear and your making yourself a clown already.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself, bud. Like I said, still waiting on Digital Foundry and Gamers Nexus to test them. If they prove without a shadow of a doubt the new model runs cooler and the things I pointed out aren't going to hamper component longevity (this isn't about performance throttling, I never once claimed hotter thermals would lead to throttling of game performance), then I'll jump on that train with no reservations.

But for now, I still have some reservations and that should be okay.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

 

[PropellerEar]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself, bud. Like I said, still waiting on Digital Foundry and Gamers Nexus to test them. If they prove without a shadow of a doubt the new model runs cooler and the things I pointed out aren't going to hamper component longevity (this isn't about performance throttling, I never once claimed hotter thermals would lead to throttling of game performance), then I'll jump on that train with no reservations.

But for now, I still have some reservations and that should be okay.

I'm telling everybody here what I'm seeing.

But yes we need some tech-jeebus on this case looks like these guys didn't know what they were doing either.
Still better than Austin by a mile.

 

[Aenima]

Who would have guessed that Sony engeneers knows better than Youtuber soyboy?

They managed to reduce the size of the Heatsink while keeping the tempertures in check, CPU temp actually cooler.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

iT's jUst coMMOn sEnse BrO

 

[TrueLegend]

Eh, some of these receipts DO show it's better on some things, but worst on others, so it looks like a mixed bag overall to me tbh. For example, the majority of the power wattages seem at least very slightly higher on the new model, and while the operating temperature for the CPU is way lower on the new one, the memory (btw it was the GDDR6 module temps Gamer Nexus expressed concern about before) are actually quite higher.

So...overall it's somewhat better on some metrics going by what is listed here but, and I'm not trying to start anything, it actually is worst on a pure numerical level on other things such as average power draw and RAM module temperatures. Yes, you can say the lower CPU operating temperature gives headroom for higher RAM module operating temps, but the CPU temps were never really in question in original analysis by guys like Gamers Nexus.

I'm sure the design itself overall is about on par or slightly better than the launch model but it's at the question of what things have had their lower thermals sacrificed to push lower operating thermals in areas that maybe weren't big concerns originally, to achieve it. So there's some questions still open for answering to be perfectly honest.

Still waiting on the Digital Foundry and Gamers Nexus analysis' to get more definitive takes.

To put it more in context

1. The average power draw being high actually goes in validation of better temperature. It means even with more heat the temperature of CPU is cooler and it means it is not thermal throttling and underperforming.

2. The RDNA clock on PS5 is really high and that memory will run hot. It is under specification. Steve wanted better cooling for memory because of longevity stuff. Its not a critical issue but it is something that xbox handled better. However the degree of difference in memory temperature is not as important as that of CPU because CPU temperature affects noise as well as throttling of performance.

But yeah gamers nexus has said they will do a piece on it and we all will be in better understanding if we wait for it.

 

[winjer]

This test seems complete bs.
Results are so off of what GN, they can only be false.
And the placemen of the probes seems so stupidly bad, it's ridiculous.

 

[Three]

The CPU looks cooler but the memory and VRM(?) are hotter? You are right the system seems louder too. I don't see how these results prove Austin's opinion was wrong.

Please don't try and brush off Austins bullshit as opinion. He said the CPU will throttle more and cause slowdown in games as well as affect reliability. All this stupid information from exhaust temps. This isn't opinion this is misinformation.

CPU temps are actually 11C lower in the new PS5 and they wouldn't throttle until something like 110C anyway.

 

[Alder]

 

[Buggy Loop]

Sooo, seems like my analysis was right on track. Waiting for Gamers Nexus before twisting the knife.

 

[GymWolf]

Well, the dream of being a lucky early adopter had a shorter life than my last sexual performance...

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Not convinced by this guy. At least he tried and did more than point a scan to the back of the console and yell "busted!" to the camera and state all kinds of unscientific shit as an informed opinion. We'll wait for more tests. Either way, there isn't anything worth all the fuss. Playstation 5 is catching up fire tomorrow in a good way!

 

[DarkMage619]

"I don't see how these results prove Austin's opinion was wrong."

He was doubling down on the SoC (CPU) running hotter and that it will result in thermal throttling issues in future titles. But here we see the SoC is literally -10 C cooler than the old model.

I didn't hear Austin say anything about thermal throttling issues on the new PS5 he tested. He said the new PS5 is 'worse'. Based on the results on this latest video it still looks pretty inconclusive. Still nothing to fly off the handle about as we witnessed with Austin's initial video.

You mentioned the cooler SOC but didn't mention the hotter memory or louder fan. That was actually opposite in what Austin said when he stated the new fan was quieter. Gamers Nexus, stated the memory temp was his biggest concern. The only thing that is certain is that this was a cost saving move for Sony. Whether or not it is good for gamers is another point entirely.

Please don't try and brush off Austins bullshit as opinion. He said the CPU will throttle more and cause slowdown in games as well as affect reliability. All this stupid information from exhaust temps. This isn't opinion this is misinformation.

CPU temps are actually 11C lower in the new PS5 and they wouldn't throttle until something like 110C anyway.

Austin's video was an opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I'm pretty sure he didn't say definitively that the CPU will throttle. In fact in his video he showed both systems running the same game with the same results. There was no performance issues shown. The fact of the video was that the new PS5 was lighter and that was proven.

 

[PropellerEar]

The probe placement.
This test isn't good for anything.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Sons of bitches we made it

 

[RoboFu]

For the people who didnt watch the video.

 

[Alder]

The probe placement.
This test isn't good for anything.

If he had placed it on his foot, it would have the same reading quality as the APU

 

[GymWolf]

I mean, even 51 C° on full load are not that much for a decent cpu...

But at least the memories are cooler.

I don't know wtf a VRM is, so...i'm happy i guess?!

 

[PropellerEar]

If he had placed it on his foot, it would have the same reading quality as the APU

Pretty much.

 

[CuNi]

I mean, even 51 C° on full load are not that much for a decent cpu...

But at least the memories are cooler.

I don't know wtf a VRM is, so...i'm happy i guess?!

What do you mean "Memories are cooler" ?
They are literally 8°C hotter.
VRM is up roughly 1.3°C too and Exhaust is increased as well, just like Austin found out and proved.

 

[skit_data]

That’s their method of testing the die temp?
Well, I guess it’s still better than Austins

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I'm telling everybody here what I'm seeing.

But yes we need some tech-jeebus on this case looks like these guys didn't know what they were doing either.
Still better than Austin by a mile.

Well yeah by default it's better than Austin because to be perfectly fair to him, he wasn't testing for thermals as the intent in the original vid, just to see what they removed to get the weight down.

Which is why in hindsight he probably should've only made a brief quick note of the hotter exhaust and left it at that, then moved back to the smaller heatsink to stick with the main point of that vid, but that's where he messed up badly.

I mean, even 51 C° on full load are not that much for a decent cpu...

But at least the memories are cooler.

I don't know wtf a VRM is, so...

Huh? The GDDR6 has higher operating temperature, not lower. You might be thinking of the CPU?

I still really want to know the GPU's thermals, can't understand why they didn't test for that.

 

[mckmas8808]

Shouldn't we all just wait for more analysis by more people? Instead of trusting one source?

 

[GymWolf]

What do you mean "Memories are cooler" ?
They are literally 8°C hotter.
VRM is up roughly 1.3°C too and Exhaust is increased as well, just like Austin found out and proved.

I have the old model so i'm happy that the memories are cooler.

 

[Great Hair]

I still really want to know the GPU's thermals, can't understand why they didn't test for that.

APU = CPU+GPU

 

[GymWolf]

Well yeah by default it's better than Austin because to be perfectly fair to him, he wasn't testing for thermals as the intent in the original vid, just to see what they removed to get the weight down.

Which is why in hindsight he probably should've only made a brief quick note of the hotter exhaust and left it at that, then moved back to the smaller heatsink to stick with the main point of that vid, but that's where he messed up badly.



Huh? The GDDR6 has higher operating temperature, not lower. You might be thinking of the CPU?

I still really want to know the GPU's thermals, can't understand why they didn't test for that.

Again, i'm an early adopter so i have the old model, i think it was clear from my first post on the topic.

 

[PropellerEar]

I still really want to know the GPU's thermals, can't understand why they didn't test for that.

You know what an APU is?

But the readings from this tests are not accurate at all.

Look at the pics, few posts above from Alder

 

[Three]

I didn't hear Austin say anything about thermal throttling issues on the new PS5 he tested. He said the new PS5 is 'worse'. Based on the results on this latest video it still looks pretty inconclusive. Still nothing to fly off the handle about as we witnessed with Austin's initial video.

Timestamped for your convenience. Not that I want to give this guy any more views but I'm sure you have personally watched this video already with glee. You just weren't paying attention

 

[CuNi]

I have the old model so i'm happy that the memories are cooler.

Oh that's how you meant it!

 

[StateofMajora]

The probe placement.
This test isn't good for anything.

For once I can agree with you.

 

[ethomaz]

For the people who didnt watch the video.

Yeap... seems like the new cooling system is doing a better job than previous one.
The fact all components except the exhaust is cooler shows that the heat dissipation is better in the new one.

 

[pratyush]

So you are saying "Hey Guys this is Austin" was shelling for Microsoft as usual?

 

[CuNi]

Yeap... seems like the new cooling system is doing a better job than previous one.
The fact all components except the exhaust is cooler shows that the heat dissipation is better in the new one.

Are.. Are we looking at the same numbers!?
Because on my screen, that pic you quoted shows exact opposite. It's everywhere hotter but the CPU which by the looks of it could end up hotter as well considering the probe placement.

 

[PropellerEar]

Are.. Are we looking at the same numbers!?
Because on my screen, that pic you quoted shows exact opposite. It's everywhere hotter but the CPU which by the looks of it could end up hotter as well considering the probe placement.

Probably he hasn't noticed the probe placement yet.

 

[SLB1904]

2690 subs. gtfo here

anddddd:

Who cares about facts. Number of subs it's what counts. God this generation

 

[StateofMajora]

I got the old model (happily) last week, it's definitely very quiet kind of like the later ps4 pro models. Still audible in silence obviously but no coil whine or anything.

But honestly as long as the new one isn't hair dryer launch 4pro Ioud it'll be ok. Looking forward to gamers nexus, no matter how it turns out.

 

[ethomaz]

Are.. Are we looking at the same numbers!?
Because on my screen, that pic you quoted shows exact opposite. It's everywhere hotter but the CPU which by the looks of it could end up hotter as well considering the probe placement.

Look at the right.
He showed the sensors.

You can watch from 7:30 on the video.

 

[RoadHazard]

So it's basically exactly the same. A little better in some cases, a little worse in others. In all cases the differences are small enough that it doesn't matter for anyone. And obviously it's gonna perform exactly the same in all scenarios. Temperatures have no effect on performance, that's not how it works.

 

[TheBomb]

Where is Sony about this?

 

[SlimySnake]

Massive difference in the SOC cooling temps but the memory and mobo runs hotter which explains the higher exhaust temps both this guy and Austin Evans found.

So technically the PS5 IS hotter, but it isnt exactly worse. The APU is the most important thing to cool when it comes to performance.