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[Blackace]

Bob Sapp has handly defeated all to take the K-1 World Grand Prix in Hiroshima... When I talked to him before the fight he said he was in the best shape he can ever remember and he looked weighing in at a solid 130 kilos... He threw it around in the last two fights quite well.. a lot of rushing fools... just like he used to do..

Congrats...

PS: Ray Sefo knocked some random Russian guy out...quick like...

 

[sprsk]

SAPP TIME

MORI AGARU MORI AGARU

 

[EviLore]

130 kilos? What? I saw an interview recently where he said he bulked up to almost 180 kilos in preparation for his next fights. Odd to see him that, erm, "light." ;b

 

[brooklyngooner]

Am I right in believing that man could crush my head into oatmeal with his off hand?

 

[sprsk]

Am I right in believing that man could crush my head into oatmeal with his off hand?

yes.

 

[Blackace]

130 kilos? What? I saw an interview recently where he said he bulked up to almost 180 kilos in preparation for his next fights. Odd to see him that, erm, "light." ;b

They always inflate his weight and height... he was down to like 7 or 8 % body fight...according to him... funny thing is I weight 110 Kilos...and I was shocked when he told me that... his exact words were 134 Kilos...

 

[Boogie]

Awesome! Pass on my congratulations to His Sappness

 

[Blackace]

THE MOVIE!!

 

[karasu]

Ray Sefo rules.

Congrats to Sapp though.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

Well there goes any credibility K-1 has as a legit sport.

EDIT: WORK.

 

[Boogie]

Well there goes any credibility K-1 has as a legit sport.

Umm, hello? K-1 Seoul GP 2005? Akebono? Hong-Man Choi?

You can't knock Sapp when compared to some of these jokers.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

Umm, hello? K-1 Seoul GP 2005? Akebono? Hong-Man Choi?

You can't knock Sapp when compared to some of these jokers.

Maybe next they'll have 50 Cambodian midget kickboxers vs Bob Sapp..

 

[Blackace]

Maybe next they'll have 50 Cambodian midget kickboxers vs Bob Sapp..

Is it in you?

 

[Blackace]

Umm, hello? K-1 Seoul GP 2005? Akebono? Hong-Man Choi?

You can't knock Sapp when compared to some of these jokers.

Choi fought tonight... He didn't look too bad... has a little more skill for a big guy than some might think... He is fighting Akebono again in Hawaii...in July...

 

[Boogie]

Choi fought tonight... He didn't look too bad... has a little more skill for a big guy than some might think... He is fighting Akebono again in Hawaii...in July...

yeah, I guess Choi has some potential. I just don't like how he fought two sumo wrestlers, and then someone who is less than half his size to win a tournament.

Props to Sapp for going through 8 rounds to win the tournament though. From the accounts I read, he's really improved his stamina, and based on what Sam Greco had to say about training him for the tournament, he was really serious about the tournament, and it paid off for him.

 

[Blackace]

He looked sharp...real sharp, and this is big for him on many personal levels that I can't go into right now... but I am sooo happy and proud of him!

 

[Vinzer Deling]

Is it in you?

That image is definately WORK.

 

[Blackace]

That image is definately WORK.

ummm... ok... whatever you say man... we are going to get through this... it will be ok

 

[Vinzer Deling]

ummm... ok... whatever you say man... we are going to get through this... it will be ok

Yeah we all know how much integrity K-1 has...

 

[Blackace]

Yeah we all know how much integrity K-1 has...

ok... I don't even know why I bother. But I do know quite a bit about the inner workings of K1.. so if you have something to say just say it...

 

[Boogie]

Yeah we all know how much integrity K-1 has...

You know, you can knock the organization without knocking the fighters

I don't like it when people who proclaim "work" without good reason.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

You know, you can knock the organization without knocking the fighters

I don't like it when people who proclaim "work" without good reason.

Let's see...

K-1. Check.
Bob Sapp. Check.
All Japanese minus Bob Sapp. Check.

WORK.

 

[tetsuoxb]

When is this on TV?

 

[john tv]

Yah ditto, did we miss it already? I wanna see.

 

[EviLore]

Scream "work" without evidence, btw, and I'll be hitting you with a stick. It's beyond disrespectful.

 

[isamu]

Who is this guys some sort of Mike Tyson offspring?

 

[Kseutron]

I just saw a video of this guy being totally DESTROYED by french fighter Jerome Lebanner

have u guys seen it too ?


Bob is pretty big and huge but geez, he also is awfully slow and has no technique

 

[Zaptruder]

Who is this guys some sort of Mike Tyson offspring?

Hmm... he's more like a tank next to Tyson's Humvee.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Congrats Bob Sapp

did I miss a new GAF word? wtf is "work"???

 

[Hyoushi]

The pic of Sapp on the Wall of Fame in Sega Joypolis in Tokyo is awesome. Too bad I didn't snap a photo of it. :/

 

[Hurricane_Chris]

OK, wtf does work mean?

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Congrats Bob Sapp

did I miss a new GAF word? wtf is "work"???

OK, wtf does work mean?

He is saying the tournament was fixed.


Work = Not real, scripted event. A false statement.

Shoot = A real, unscripted event. A true statement.


You people need to watch more wrestling

 

[Blackace]

Let's see...

K-1. Check.
Bob Sapp. Check.
All Japanese minus Bob Sapp. Check.

WORK.

But wait... wouldn't it make more sense to have a Japanese fighter defeat Bob Sapp? If you know Japanese people they love him, but most would love to see a Japanese fighter defeat him to take the GP... but you can live in your world..

 

[Outcast2004]

Blackace, fuck the haters. Tell him congrats for me!

It's a hell of an accomplishment, and especially since his fighting is an occasional thing now.

 

[Blackace]

Blackace, fuck the haters. Tell him congrats for me!

It's a hell of an accomplishment, and especially since his fighting is an occasional thing now.

he trained his ass off for this fight and it shows... he didn't even get winded..which is a shock since he used to be sucking wind after the first round...

 

[mosaic]

If K-1 is indeed fixed, they deserve awards for makeup and special effects...

I've only seen a few fights, but already I've seen limbs and fingers bent in ways they shouldn't bend... Fox Sports Net recently showed a Sapp match from 2003 or 2004 I think, where he ended up with broken fingers (and the shot clearly showed them mangled and deformed, ick). They called the match because he was too busted up to continue.

 

[Blackace]

If K-1 is indeed fixed, they deserve awards for makeup and special effects...

I've only seen a few fights, but already I've seen limbs and fingers bent in ways they shouldn't bend... Fox Sports Net recently showed a Sapp match from 2003 or 2004 I think, where he ended up with broken fingers (and the shot clearly showed them mangled and deformed, ick). They called the match because he was too busted up to continue.

The amount of guys bleeding in this last fight should be enough to say that they take real ass beatings... I remember when he came back to Seattle after that fight where he broke his knuckle on Hoost's head... and he legs were soooo jacked too...

 

[Outcast2004]

K-1 and Pride are as real as it gets, don't doubt that.

These guys are pound for pound some of the oughest SOBs I've ever seen.

I'm no slouch myself, but these are guys I wouldn't want to mess with. I've seen what Sapp can do when he's motivated. While he may not be a technical mater, he sure as hell makes up with it in intensity and power.

 

[norinrad21]

THE MOVIE!!

:lol :lol :lol

why that looks like the thriller CD

 

[Blackace]

:lol :lol :lol

why that looks like the thriller CD

Well to be honest...I messed with him about it... and he asked this.. "You didn't wear out your Thiller tape when you were a kid?" hahah when you are right you are right...

 

[Vinzer Deling]

But wait... wouldn't it make more sense to have a Japanese fighter defeat Bob Sapp? If you know Japanese people they love him, but most would love to see a Japanese fighter defeat him to take the GP... but you can live in your world..

He's K-1's top draw, it makes MORE sense for him to win for K-1's bottom line.

 

[Blackace]

He's K-1's top draw, it makes MORE sense for him to win for K-1's bottom line.

hmmm he isn't as popular as he once was in Japan, sadly... I think Musashi or Genki gets more press now and days... He is a big draw, but him being there does that already... K-1's bottom line doesn't move up nor down if he wins or loses... in fact him losing could promote a new national star...if you were going to fix things and all that...

 

[Hurricane_Chris]

He's K-1's top draw, it makes MORE sense for him to win for K-1's bottom line.

Dude, Sokar, you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know anything about the state of K-1 now or even Japanese culture for that matter?

While it's true that Bob is K-1's biggest and basically only draw it's due more to the work that Bob did on his career. Back during Bob Sapp mania he was doing all sorts of extra stuff. When you look at the other fighters in K-1 they're just that, pretty much guys who can fight without much personality or ability to do other stuff. Do you honesty think the old school Yakuza dudes running K-1 want someone like Bob Sapp to become bigger than their sport by being a huge personality outside it and by dominating inside it by winning all the time? Also, have you ever watched a K1 match or one of Bob's matches? I haven't seen a single one of his fights that looked fake.

Also, even if Bob was the biggest draw do you really think Japanese want to see a foreigner dominate them? Look at Sumo, with the introduction of foreigners who are dominating the sport there's alot of people here in Japan that want to kick them out. Watch the news or listen to the radio and you will hear about Japanese athletes in leagues around the world doing well -- even if they are total scrubs. If any fixing ever went on it'd probably be against Bob and you'd see headlines the next day "Dimunitive Japanese fighter uses his technique and quickness to best the beast"

 

[Minotauro]

K-1 and Pride are as real as it gets, don't doubt that.

Pride has certainly worked some fights in the past though. Personally, I don't think they've done it in the last few years but it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities. As far as K-1 goes, I'm unaware of any actual works but there have been some questionable judges decisions...

Black[l]ace, how does Bob explain his last MMA fight with Kazuyuki Fujita? Was it a result of being too busy to properly train or what? I mean, Fujita embarrassed him.

 

[EviLore]

Eh, as far as Pride works go, I haven't seen much to suggest it since 1999-2000. All of Takada's wins are confirmed as works, and now he's a pride exec, so that obviously raises some eyebrows.

 

[Boogie]

Eh, as far as Pride works go, I haven't seen much to suggest it since 1999-2000. All of Takada's wins are confirmed as works, and now he's a pride exec, so that obviously raises some eyebrows.

Yoshida/Tamura still looks fishy to me, but eh.

 

[Minotauro]

Eh, as far as Pride works go, I haven't seen much to suggest it since 1999-2000. All of Takada's wins are confirmed as works, and now he's a pride exec, so that obviously raises some eyebrows.

Yeah, I was referring primarily to Takada. Also, I think one of Alexander Otsuka's fights was worked...I mean, he hit a vertical suplex for Christ's sake. Then again, I think there was some controversy over whether that was actually announced as a work beforehand. Plus, it was four or so years ago.

I'd be surprised if Pride worked anything even somewhat recently but I just thought it should be mentioned that such an idea isn't completely preposterous.

 

[Asbel]

Also, even if Bob was the biggest draw do you really think Japanese want to see a foreigner dominate them? Look at Sumo, with the introduction of foreigners who are dominating the sport there's alot of people here in Japan that want to kick them out. Watch the news or listen to the radio and you will hear about Japanese athletes in leagues around the world doing well -- even if they are total scrubs. If any fixing ever went on it'd probably be against Bob and you'd see headlines the next day "Dimunitive Japanese fighter uses his technique and quickness to best the beast"

I've kinda seen the same reporting apply with mma in newspapers at puroresupower. Like they'll mention Gomi's win but nothing on Minowa's loss. I'm curious if this is more the case of the news outlets controlling what people read or is this just what the people want to read.

Black[l]ace, how does Bob explain his last MMA fight with Kazuyuki Fujita? Was it a result of being too busy to properly train or what? I mean, Fujita embarrassed him.

I cringed when I saw photos of Sapp getting soccer kicked. The look on his face made it that much worse.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I hate how there is always someone in topics like these (not usually here, but a lot at places like Sherdog) that claim a fight was worked or that a certain fighter juices without so much as a shred of proof. Unless you have something to back up those sorts of claims, then please don't make them.

Anyways, I don't think the fights are "worked", but I do question whether some judge's decisions are bias. I thought about this after seeing Kaoklai v Musashi, where the fight went to the extra round and was awarded to Musashi even though he looked absolutely ragged towards the end and Kaoklai clearly had him beat (in my eyes). That panel was largely Japanese and I think that the judges had too much pride to give the fight to a Thai.

I'm still new to MMA, so I'm not one to judge these decisions I suppose, but I'd accept them more willingly if there was a more diversified panel.

 

[Blackace]

Pride has certainly worked some fights in the past though. Personally, I don't think they've done it in the last few years but it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities. As far as K-1 goes, I'm unaware of any actual works but there have been some questionable judges decisions...

Black[l]ace, how does Bob explain his last MMA fight with Kazuyuki Fujita? Was it a result of being too busy to properly train or what? I mean, Fujita embarrassed him.

he got beat... how else do you explain it? That wasn't his last MMA fight you know? And that fight was in May of 2004.. I know he didn't train very much and K-1 fought him waaaaaayyyy too much.. He was just broken down from how I understand it