TheBlueBomber
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Yeah because we should support someone who is associated with a hate group
Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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Yeah because we should support someone who is associated with a hate group
OsirisBlack
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I have read the entire thread and I realize this is something you are looking forward to but you are grasping at straws. Clearly not dreads just shitty hair tech and definitely not a light skinned black man unless he has a perm.
Sho_Nuff82
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Or, we can talk about it. There's been way too much silencing of discussion lately.
SolidSnakex
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I'm not sure what you mean by deciding factor. If you mean deciding factor in terms of it shows that at least one member of the dev team supports a hate group, then yeah it's definitely a deciding factor.
That's what I get for posting after reading only the first few responses in a 27 page thread. *sigh*
Tbh, when I first saw the character, I also immediately thought it was a black guy with dread locks. Only after re-watching the trailer again did I realize that I was wrong.I have read the entire thread and I realize this is something you are looking forward to but you are grasping at straws. Clearly not dreads just shitty hair tech and definitely not a light skinned black man unless he has a perm.
Jesus fucking Christ. A studio releases a game about going on a murderous rampage killing civilians for seemingly no reason. The video shows an uncomfortable amount of minorities being brutally executed.
Then we learn that one of the studio members openly supports a hate group.
What DO YOU THINK people should think? I'm curious, honestly.
Fatal Futanari
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*sigh*
I think we can safely say Bloodrage is attempting to troll at this point. Take nothing he says seriously.
TheBlueBomber
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Edit: You know what, its not even worth it
Okay, wait. What, exactly, is your point?
If someone subscribes to a belief that I find idiotic or reprehensible, and then MAKES A GAME that I find idiotic AND reprehensible, I shouldn't believe that the two might correlate?
The fact that the director of the game is in any way affiliated with a fucking hate group, and makes a game where you kill EVERYONE 'for the lulz,' demonstrates that he does not have the emotional maturity, and very likely the intelligence, to properly delve into these themes.
OsirisBlack
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Yea he got me.
Predictable. Try harder next time.
Depends.
Is that reason as stupid as 'Imma kill everyone because fuck the world?'
Because that is the exact context given in this game, and it's stupid as shit.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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"Fatal Futanari"
So far naysayers haven't come up with anything compelling. The only claim so far from that party is, "This is disgusting violent and has no context therefore it shouldn't exist". Seriously, thats it. Read through my posts or check out the top comment on YT and you'll see something with a bit more depth from those who are in support besides, "lol this is cool". I can assure you of that.
Wallpaper proves otherwise. I'm sure they'll upgrade the shitty in-game hair tech to dreads by release. You don't know that he's not a light skinned black guy since they haven't shown his face up close. All signs, which are dreads and voice, point to black though. He even sounds like Kratos.
backflip10019
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no because the established tone is completely fucked up. It's clearly mirroring mass murders that have happened in the past. That's really disgusting.
It's a shit idea that doesn't sound fun in the least.
It's a game equivalent of 'Let me shoot fish in a barrel, except the fish look like people and I'm a fucking psycho.'
That's all I need to justify, to you or anyone else who likes this game. You can buy it all you want; I just reserve the right to think you're supporting a piece of trash.
LUFTRAUSER
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This is interesting considering there was literally just a thread asking if one would ever play a game where one played as a serial killer.
In any case, I have no interest in playing a game that is as senselessly violent as this one appears to be.
In any case, I have no interest in playing a game that is as senselessly violent as this one appears to be.
TheLostBigBoss
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Huh, well that's interesting.
I'm thinking about GTAV and why this is striking such a "dis is fucked" cord with me, while GTAV was "dis is fun".
Thinking about it, seems the close up animations with people begging as you stab them a dozen times in the stomach and put a round right into their mouth is more "humanizing" than the civilians or cops I've seen in GTAV.
Which I love, but just not in this game. I would love to have games where they really focus on the civilian aspect of insane violence and the reactions of their loved ones getting killed and mauled right in front of them, and looking from an outside in on the destruction of a "game" would have.
I'm thinking about GTAV and why this is striking such a "dis is fucked" cord with me, while GTAV was "dis is fun".
Thinking about it, seems the close up animations with people begging as you stab them a dozen times in the stomach and put a round right into their mouth is more "humanizing" than the civilians or cops I've seen in GTAV.
Which I love, but just not in this game. I would love to have games where they really focus on the civilian aspect of insane violence and the reactions of their loved ones getting killed and mauled right in front of them, and looking from an outside in on the destruction of a "game" would have.
I doubt it. I'm not against pushing boundaries of taste even though games like Manhunt are too nihilistic for me to really enjoy. The way I see it is that the point of the violence in this game is to be sadistic and dehumanizing. There is no appearance of irony, not even a ham-fisted attempt to make the player reflect on this form of violence. Rather, it simply seems to revel in it. It makes me sad to live in a world where this type of violence is prevalent and I really can't understand why a person would want to participate in its glorification.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Man, this is some grade A nonsense right here
So as long as it is a good reason, you would be fine with him killing innocent people.
The sob story context could have been, that he was physically and sexually abused by his parents throughout his childhood which ingrained the distrust of people into his young mind. This problem festered as he grew up, ashamed of how little he mattered in this fucked-up world and turned into blinding resentment for human beings.
Okay, now it's time to kill.
Give it up. You're trolling and we're on to you now.
Somebody report this guy if he keeps trying to shit up the thread with his garbage.
Yeah he had me for a minute. The light skin black guy with dreads comment is now hilarious in hindsight.
OsirisBlack
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Fatal Futanari
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That's exactly what I meant by my *sigh*
Sàmban;134694217 said:
Look at you, feeling all good :>
lol someone always notices"Fatal Futanari"
... Yeah, I don't remember saying any of that bullshit.
Do you know what a 'Strawman' fallacy is? Because you are now the KING of that mother.
Extra Sauce
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It would have to involve well-written character development and a compelling motivation, for example how Electro was handled in ASM2.
Seriously though fuck that movie.
That in and of itself really isn't enough of a reason. Where you're coming from definitely clashes with my thinking. The content in the game is not much different from what I already do in open world styled games like GTA. I've never needed any context or justification to do so in those games, it was frankly pure fun. It's hard to gauge from this trailer, but if someone can put up enough resistance to kill your character, then fun could definitely be had.
My issue with this game is the tumblr shit now. If the actual pretense is as malicious as described, and the developers hold neo-nazi esque views, well I'm not giving them my money. Regardless of my interest in the title, I wouldn't want to support them.
BLUElightCory
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I'm having a really hard time believing you don't see obvious differences between those games and Hatred.
You said it "depends". So doesn't that mean there is a chance you wouldn't have cared, if the reasoning behind the character's motive was different?
I saw a random screencap of this and thought it was a filtered image from The Darkness.
The voice acting and lack of color really make it out to be a ridiculous experience to me, like it was a mock parody. Maybe I am desensitized to violence, but I really saw nothing over the top in the game. This really looks like same old same old.
People will probably find ways to get offended as the premise is very "kill everybody" with little reasoning into why the protagonist is doing it. At least in games like GTA and Hitman where you can kill everybody, there's more meat to it as you're usually guided by specific targets, and they're often painted as shady people. Even if they're cops.
I imagine the scenario where the character shoots up an NYPD place will not go well with mainstream media, for sure.
The voice acting and lack of color really make it out to be a ridiculous experience to me, like it was a mock parody. Maybe I am desensitized to violence, but I really saw nothing over the top in the game. This really looks like same old same old.
People will probably find ways to get offended as the premise is very "kill everybody" with little reasoning into why the protagonist is doing it. At least in games like GTA and Hitman where you can kill everybody, there's more meat to it as you're usually guided by specific targets, and they're often painted as shady people. Even if they're cops.
I imagine the scenario where the character shoots up an NYPD place will not go well with mainstream media, for sure.
People "will find ways" to get offended...like a disturbing number of the brutally executed civilians being minorities...and one of the developers supposedly openly supporting a neo-Nazi hate group.
Yeah you know...just "finding ways to get offended."
ShodanMAN
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You can find people representing every part of the political spectrum everywhere in the world, Irrespective of national history.
Crossing Eden
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You're being unbelievably obtuse. Nathan Drake killed this man and his army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKkMYyidae4
Yea totally unjustified right? /s
And the enemies in fallout, elder scrolls, and borderlands are usually psychopaths and monsters, not completely innocent civilians.
flaxknuckles
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Deus Ex: Human Revolution was such a great game
Fatal Futanari
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Sàmban;134697175 said:
See you get it :>
Mihael Mello Keehl
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WOW :O
Sorry. I meant 'depends' in the sarcastic sense. As in 'There is no possible way, but just for the sake of argument.'
I've said it before, but THE ONLY WAY I would be interested in this game is if, at the halfway mark (or substantially before, ideally) the perspective switched, and you now played the detective investigating the shooting spree, and working towards his apprehension.
That is the game I want to play.
Is that a bad thing? It's a pretty popular subgenre of horror in film.
People can not like it, and not support it, but it seems to be a valid and consistent trope in entertainment history.
I never said I was buying the game or supporting the devs. I just don't get the outrage. Sure it's senseless, gratuitous violence. But don't say there is no context. That is the context. You play as a guy with hatred in his heart, nothing to lose and a yearning for death. He wants to take as many people with him as possible. The context is merely very simple and straight forward. Evil? Yes. Fucked up? Yes. But don't pretend that contexts or motivations for characters in other games are somehow justified. You can't say murdering hundreds or thousands of people for the sake of securing an ncient artifact, saving the world or winning a war is 100% morally or ethically justified. In the end you're still killing a ton people, without remorse for your benefit.
The real question here isn't asking whether this game goes too far, it's asking do other games go too far and are the characters in those games justified on what they inevitably accomplish despite how many they kill.
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