krypt0nian
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SONY's working on their schedule to get their product to the shelves.
How on earth is that dropping the ball?
How on earth is that dropping the ball?
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have Sony dropped the ball ?
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Doom_Bringer
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A_Lee_N said:
:lol
Agent X
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Xenon said:
Having Blu-ray present in the PS3 is an almost surefire way to appeal to the high-end videophile, as this means that one system can be used for both games and movies at HDTV resolutions. This is one of their key advantages over the competition, who was initially trumpeting "HD era" a few months ago, but unfortunately didn't fully commit to it in the end. Not everyone has an HDTV, and not everyone will "need" to move on (at least right away), but it will be a compelling feature for a good-sized group of people.
So, will PS3 benefit more by having Blu-ray technology, or will the Blu-ray format benefit more by its inclusion in the PS3? Somehow, I doubt that it really matters much to Sony, as both will surely receive some sizable benefit from each other.
SolidSnakex
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KeithFranklin said:
The big difference between GT and Forza is the sales. GT3 is the best selling game this gen, and GT4 has sold 6m units as of August. I don't even think Forza's moved a million units worldwide.
KeithFranklin
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SolidSnakex said:
GT3 is not better selling than GTA and I also believe Halo 2 outsold it as well. As for Forza MS is going to activly push the edges with it. Forza 2 may not sell as well as GT5, but the press will portray they as near equivalents making it easy for someone to choose a 360 rather than a PS3 if they must have a great simulator.
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It also helped that press like Popular Mechanics was very impressed with Forza 1. Also, Forza has a very dedicated fanbase on XBL
SolidSnakex
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KeithFranklin said:
In the US both HALO and GTA have sold more, when you factor in the WW sales its a completely different story and that's what made GT3 bigger. This is what GT's sales look like over the years
- Gran Turismo : 10.84 million
- Gran Turismo 2 : 9.34 million
- Gran Turismo 3 : A-spec 14.45 million
- Gran Turismo Concept series : 1.54 million
- Gran Turismo 4 Prologue : 1.34 million
- Gran Turismo 4 : 6.66 million
And what makes you think the press is going to make them out to be equivalents? The press also praised Forza and it was released shortly after GT4 and it still got slaughted by GT4 in sales. Just look at Prologue sales, its a demo that wasn't even released in the US and it still sold more than Forza did worldwide.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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KeithFranklin said:
While you're here, what score did Duke Nukem get?
xsarien said:
True, but IMO, they won't back down because there's too much at stake on too many levels. This isn't just about the console business. MS has declared war against Sony because they're both after the same thing- your living room.
I don't see MS backing down until Sony is using MS software for their console OS.
Agent Icebeezy said:
Doesnt vcompare to GT4. GT4 had tv programmes and special press articles dedicated to it. Going against sony in racing is stupid. PS has all the franhcises and even the Rally and F1 games which also get coverage.
HokieJoe said:
:lol This 'war' isnt what it used to be and its nothing like what many expected. MS is singing a different tune lately about the direction they want to go in.
KeithFranklin said:
They'll probably run at half the framerate again(iirc forza was 30fps), and given the superb abilities of the gt-team at getting close to photo-real + the superior h/w they likely won't look any better this time. Very doubtful the press will portray that positively.
Red Blaster
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Divus Masterei said:
No kidding, GT5 is fixing to be absolutely godlike in the graphics department at least. Hopefully they'll add online play this time.
D3VI0US said:
OR.. that they're not worried enough to bother capitalizing. What they do now is irrelevant. Whoever wants a 360 will buy one, whoever doesn't won't. WHat sony should do now is remained focused on launching the system in an incredible way. That's much more important than whatever they do at this stage.
Slurpy said:
You think they don't have the capacity to do both? Sony is a huge company with a bunch of PR and marketing monkeys that could easily handle such a task as hyping the PS3. The people that would do such a hype up presentation may be the decision makers but they're not the ones working in the trenches trying to get the hardware and software out the door.
Whoever wants a 360 will buy one, but if Sony gave them a better alternative to wait for they would. Believe it or not there are people who are going to buy 360's that would have waited for PS3 assuming it was worth it. Leaving those people in the dark about the detail of the PS3 is basically giving them to MS without a fight and it's costing them marketshare no matter how little and it could snowball the longer Sony takes to get information out there and the longer they take to launch.
Buffy4ever
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Oogami said:
Namco put Tekken on the GBA. And right now they are supporting sony and Nintendo hand helds the same
tahrikmili
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I can see Sony's perspective on the matter, sort of. They probably don't give a crap about how much hardware MS manage to sell. It's selling games that count. Dreamcast proved that point well - it had hardware penetration, but flopped.
So.. Sony isn't giving anything away by letting people buy the XBOX360 hardware. As long as they believe they will have a better product and better games, it wouldn't matter less.
So.. Sony isn't giving anything away by letting people buy the XBOX360 hardware. As long as they believe they will have a better product and better games, it wouldn't matter less.
D3VI0US said:
There are more than enough people who'd pick up a 360 this year - and to sell it out - regardless of what Sony was up to. Well, I should hope so anyway.
Any information release/hype from Sony would simply be for the benefit of the more insecure fans who need distraction - to "feel loved" - when a competing console is launching
Deg said:
I don't know what tune you've been listening to, but it's not the same one I'm hearing.
As for "what people expected", well, MS entered the console arena literally on a lick and a promise with a makeshift console, and captured ~20% market share. The playing field isn't just about teh 360 vs. teh PS3 though. Much of it involves how HD content will be delivered; and whether or not the studio barons will lock our PC's out of home entertainment; and if not, how badly they will cripple them.
From Sony's perspective, they don't want movies and PC's to co-mingle- not in a convenient manner at least. If you're Sony, it makes perfect sense to lock out PCÂ’s; but not if you're MS, Intel, HP, and IÂ’m guessing soon, Dell.
ItÂ’s business, and theyÂ’re all vying for a share of the future- the way you and I view and relate to media content. Thus, there's a shit-load of positioning for market share and royalties here that has a lot to do with HD media delivery; and to a lesser degree the PS3 and 360.
The PS3 and 360 are central characters, but the play is about the living room. It's all about convergence my man.
Additionally, in spite of their public comments to the contrary, I don't think for an instant that MS believes that they will outsell Sony this gen. However, they do plan on trying to make them bleed; and in the process, keep the debate of who owns the living room open for discussion.
gofreak said:Any information release/hype from Sony would simply be for the benefit of the more insecure fans who need distraction - to "feel loved" - when a competing console is launching
Fence sitters who are picking up the 360 this fall would disagree with you, and they're not the only ones on that fence, they're just the ones who have fallen on 360s side of it.
D3VI0US said:
Demand for X360 this holiday will likely outstrip supply. For any fence sitter who held back because of new PS3 info, there'd likely be a hardcore Xbox fan who doesn't care about that to take their place. I'd hope there'd be enough core fans out there to sell out the X360 launch regardless of what Sony was doing.
I think the fact RE4 PS2 is probably going to tank in the US says a lot about PS2 being the default system for RE fans. It's not. If anything, as far as the true series is concerned (the ones that appear in RE chronology books or that have Shinji Mikami's name in it) the GC is the definitive RE system and by extension so will the Revolution. With backward compatibility in mind, it'll be RE0 versus RE5 for the PlayStation's RE crown. The first Outbreak, contrary to popular belief, is NOT more popular than the exclusive GC games (with the exception of Japan - even then, Outbreak's only outsold RE) by at most 40,000 units). And File 2 is easily the worst selling in the series by far.
So I hope that, even after all these years, that people just stop assuming that RE belongs only on the PS. It doesn't. The GC couldn't have possibly have been the wrong system if its original REs sold on par with virtually all of the PS2's RE offerings. If RE4 or Outbreak didn't prove that to you, then I don't know what will.
So I hope that, even after all these years, that people just stop assuming that RE belongs only on the PS. It doesn't. The GC couldn't have possibly have been the wrong system if its original REs sold on par with virtually all of the PS2's RE offerings. If RE4 or Outbreak didn't prove that to you, then I don't know what will.
CVXFREAK said:
I think RE/MGS/Halo/etc... will all sell incredibly well on whatever system they come out on first. People always bring up fanbases, but put Halo 3 on PS3 and it'll easily be the best selling game on the system. If RE4 was released first on the PS2 it would've sold millions, but most people either bought a GC for it or stopped caring when it was eventually released on PS2.
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CVXFREAK said:
I'd say the fact that RE5 has been announced for the PS3 says quite a bit.
gofreak said:
I don't disagree with you on that but that has little to no impact on my statement because that fence sitter going with the 360 as opposed to the PS3 is one less sale for Sony.
I for example am only in the market for one next gen console for the majority of next gen until the other comes down to $199. I have enough games current gen to tide me over and have seen nothing on 360 that makes me want to rush out and buy one. So I've decided to wait until next holiday season to make a more informed decision when I'll know not only the details of PS3 launch but also the details of future lineups on both consoles. Still one console will get the majority of my $ and I know I'm not the only one in that boat. This gen it was PS2, next gen it could easily shift to 360 and that to me is a victory for MS at the expense of Sony.
SolidSnakex
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CVXFREAK said:
That Capcom doesn't want to release it on other systems before a PS system anymore. It might be released on another system but it isn't going to happen before the PS3 release (probably will be at the sametime).
Bebpo said:
That's the dedicated RE fan in a nutshell. Most of them aren't hardcore fanboys. Most of those who complained about it going to GC were less dedicated fans, and more on the lines of people who had nothing else to go for on the GÇ. The true fans laughed it up, sucked it up, and bought a GC.
The DC situation however is harder to gauge since the PS2 version did outsell it handily. But the GC REs also outsold the DC CODE: Veronica so I think it just came down to the DC's realative unpopularity.
SolidSnakex said:
How do you know it's that and not the Revolution's different controller? Or the fact that only one third party game has been announced, in name, for the Rev? The fact a 360 version is coming makes it almost obvious that the PS alone can't support the RE series anymore (RE5 is being developed initially on the 360, too).
SolidSnakex
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CVXFREAK said:
The series sales have gone so far downhill compared to when it was at its height that ofcourse they're going to put it on more systems. I'm just saying it says alot they they went over Mikami and put RE4 on the PS2 and now they've announced RE5 for the PS3 right away.
SolidSnakex said:
I wonder where Deadly Silence fits in the whole Sony equation.
It does say a lot, but it most definitely does not scream "RE ONLY BELONGS ON ONE SYSTEM AND THAT ITS HOME WILL ALWAYS BE THE PSONE/TWO/THREE LOLOLOL." This doesn't really apply to the GC either for that matter.
Fact is, RE's everyones toy now and will stay that way.
CVXFREAK said:
I disagree cause the series lost a lot of street cred and prominence with PS2 gamers by going to the GC in the first place. Assuming RE4 was PS2 exlcusive and backed by a huge marketing campaign I think it would have done a lot better. For starters you'd have all of those sales from hardcores who bought it on the GC, not to mention all the casuals who bought it on PS2 which I would think would be considerably larger than the casuals on GC.
DCharlie
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... downhill? i hope you are only talking in terms of sales here!!
Wasn't RE ALWAYS a multiplatform game (albeit them not released at the same time)? When was the last time a RE game was _only_ on sony hardware?? ... isn't it like... just Gun Survivor and the 2 online games??
TheJollyCorner
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RE1 was released on PS1 and Saturn. RE2 got a N64 release.
Resident Evil has always been multiplatform, but there's no denying the fanbase is concentrated on Sony systems.
REmake was awesome, but RE Outbreak outsold both REmake and RE0, from what I remember.
Resident Evil has always been multiplatform, but there's no denying the fanbase is concentrated on Sony systems.
REmake was awesome, but RE Outbreak outsold both REmake and RE0, from what I remember.