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Zaptruder

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Ok, it's got 2 HDMI inputs. I'm sure that'll be handy when I pick up a HDMI enabled set, but in the meantime, what are the alternatives to using HDMI if I still want HD graphics?

Component video works right? How high is the res? What about the image quality? It'll be fine if it only plays the games in HD, given the content protection that the movies will have...
 
Component should work for games up to 1080i, not sure about 1080p.
For movies, studios might disable HD output through analog.
 
HDMI or DVI (Digital Connections) > Component (Analog Connections)

Less noise
 
I think the question is if Sony is going to support HD resolutions through component connections. I am an early HD adopter and do not have DVI or HDMI inputs on my television, as they were just on the drawing board when I bought by set. I think it would suck of Sony to shun lots of early adopters out of HD gaming. I know that Blu Ray movies will be DVI and HDMI only, but the games there is no reason to shut out component out of fear of copy infringement.

I am glad MS went with component, as it is truly universal with HD sets. But HDMI is better for a pure digital signal, I just cannot use it myself.
 
DVI is the same thing as HDMI right? It just doesn't have the audio connection or something, correct?

I'm pretty sure PS3 will run at HDTV with just component if that's all you have, but high-def Blu-Ray movie playback may not work for you.
 
The whole hi-res through component outputs is only an issue for Blu-Ray based movies, you'll have no problem outputting any resolution a game supports through component. Actually, after certain changes to the whole DRM scheme, the whole component output thing may become moot.
 
Yamaha98 said:
Is there really a comparable (ie visual) difference between HDMI/DVI to Component cabling?
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I don't have a HD Device that does both, but based on VGA/DVI, Yes.
As I mentioned, its a noise issue, staying digital till it hits the TV helps with that.
 
Yamaha98 said:
Is there really a comparable (ie visual) difference between HDMI/DVI to Component cabling?
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A little, but not a huge difference. The main advantage and reason I like HMDI (I use it for my dvd player) is that it's only one cable that inserts softly (like a USB but with slighly more breathing room). As opposed to 3 cables that are tightly pushed on and can screw up the inputs if you pull them out to hard. HDMI feels like it's impossible to break anything, so less to think about when switching inputs on the back of your TV/reciever.
 
Yamaha98 said:
Is there really a comparable (ie visual) difference between HDMI/DVI to Component cabling?
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Not particularly. I can see it on my LCD, but certainly not on my CRT. And while I can see the difference, the qualitative gap is pretty insignificant.

HDMI provides a few sweet benefits -

digital audio
small and pleasant form factor
digital video


But really, it's designed purely for copyright protection, not quality. On PS3, you'll be able play your games in all resolutions through component. In 480i through composite or s-video.

Your HD Blu Ray movies will play in HD ONLY via HDMI. Through component, they will be downgraded to 480p or 540p. Anyone who comes in and says that's OK gets a free internet slap. It is NOT OK. It is a bunch of shit.
 
Stinkles said:
Not particularly. I can see it on my LCD, but certainly not on my CRT. And while I can see the difference, the qualitative gap is pretty insignificant.

HDMI provides a few sweet benefits -

digital audio
small and pleasant form factor
digital video


But really, it's designed purely for copyright protection, not quality. On PS3, you'll be able play your games in all resolutions through component. In 480i through composite or s-video.

Your HD Blu Ray movies will play in HD ONLY via HDMI. Through component, they will be downgraded to 480p or 540p. Anyone who comes in and says that's OK gets a free internet slap. It is NOT OK. It is a bunch of shit.
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It's ok for me. Both my living room and now bedroom HDTV's have HDMI and DVI HDCP. :D
 
momolicious said:
wtfreak, your TV needs 2 HDMI ports for ps3?! I thought you only need one
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Nope. U need one. The PS3 has two HDMI video outputs 'cos it can show stuff on two HDTVs simultaneously.
 
Would have been nice if they let Blu-Ray show 720p quality through component/analogue while 1080p only through hdcp. I think that would reasonably satisfy both camps.
 
TTP said:
Nope. U need one. The PS3 has two HDMI video outputs 'cos it can show stuff on two HDTVs simultaneously.
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That's some absurd resolution and any dev that can pull that off, my hats off to them. I'm guessing maybe Sony's PD will try it, because it's gives the ultimate viewing width for racing and they're just hardcore like that.
 
Who knows. I'm just reporting Sony reasoning for having two HDMI outputs on the PS3 :)
Still, HDMI doesn't imply a specific resolution. I mean, you will probably be able to play GT5 on two HDTVs... each displaying a 480p image :P
 
Zaptruder said:
speaking of dual HD for the PS3... you guys think you can do composite + HDMI at the same time?
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I think a high up at Sony already confirmed it that you didn't need two hdtv's through hdmi(to watch two screens) but that you could potentialy use a standard tv through analogue and one HDTV through HDMI. (Like have the normal tv be your item/stat screen in Diablo 3. Or have your online friendslist there...etc)
 
I don't really see why Sony would or should include an HDMI cable. They HAVE to include the most universally supported cable so that they don't leave anyone out - which means at least composite and/or S-video. The HDMI connector won't require a proprietary connector or cable so you're free to choose whichever brand of cable you want, so save or spend as much as you want on whatever quality HDMI cable you'd like to buy.
 
right, but they could do at least a hybrid cable like MS......if im paying 500 for a system, dont make me shell out another 70 for a cable, especially since its required to play BR movies
 
The PS3 still has the same AV out connector that PS2 has, right? So you can also just use whatever AV cable you're currently using for the PS2.
 
Wollan said:
I think a high up at Sony already confirmed it that you didn't need two hdtv's through hdmi(to watch two screens) but that you could potentialy use a standard tv through analogue and one HDTV through HDMI. (Like have the normal tv be your item/stat screen in Diablo 3. Or have your online friendslist there...etc)
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Excellente

... you think they'll release Diablo 3 on consoles? That would be most sweet if they did.
 
truffleshuffle83 said:
if thats kutaragis defination of not being cheap, ill be blown away. there is no way ps3 will be $299. stand alone BR players exceed that by far
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He didn't give a good indication of what its expensive compared to. BUt this is what Kaz said about the price recently

PSM: There some concern about PS3 being priced out of the reach of everyone but the hardcore early adopters. Is this valid?

Kai Hirai: I woud say that our past performance is the best indication of our future performance, and for at least three platforms, I think we have been bringing an excellent value to consumers, but also providing them with cuttingedge technology. I go back to less than a year ago when people looked at the PSP, and I got questions like "wow, this thing is great, but what do you think? $500?" and I said, "well, the proof is in the pudding: we've done Playstation and Playstation 2 at an affordable price," and people just said "yeah, right!" response. But we went out there with a $249 value pack, and I think people were pleasantly surprised. I not saying, therefore, that the PS3 is going to be $249, $299, whatever, but I think we have pretty good history of providing value for what we bring to the consumers.
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Zaptruder said:
... you think they'll release Diablo 3 on consoles? That would be most sweet if they did.
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I personaly don't expect it but I see no reason not to as Diablo play just as good on consoles with a gamepad as on a pc with kb/m. (Just try Diablo PSone and you will see. Proximity hack & Slash and everything is perfectly ported and feel the same.)
 
right and at 299 (the same price as the tard pack, your getting newer parts and more features) i dont think its possible for them to price it at that. 399 would be a more valid price point
 
truffleshuffle83 said:
right and at 299 (the same price as the tard pack, your getting newer parts and more features) so i dont think its possible for them to price it at 299. 399 would be a more valid price point
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Phil has pretty much said that atleast at the start you aren't going to see 2 different packages.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Phil has pretty much said that atleast at the start you aren't going to see 2 different packages.
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I think he qualified that by saying it was his own personal opinion, not necessarily Sony strategy. But then you'd wonder why he'd be so public about that, seems a bit risky if they were going to go that way.

Then again, I remember him expressing scepticism about Sony's potential role in the handheld market a couple of months before PSP was announced ;)
 
gofreak said:
I think he qualified that by saying it was his own personal opinion, not necessarily Sony strategy. But then you'd wonder why he'd be so public about that, seems a bit risky if they were going to go that way.

Then again, I remember him expressing scepticism about Sony's potential role in the handheld market a couple of months before PSP was announced ;)
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Unless OPM did a mistranslation of what Harrison said, he seems to be stating that it won't happen at launch

In contrast, Harrison stated at the Game Developers Conference Europe that the current plan is to have only one version of the Playstation 3 at launch, but that the company will start selling different versions of it down the line as new perifpherals (such as hard drive or the Eyetoy) become available.
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Damn Stinkles we already know your thoughts about HDMI HD movie playing, getting in more shots again I see. :lol

Isn't Harrison in charge of Sony Worldwide Studios now? You would think he would be in the loop as far as configurations go.

I would just hook up your PS3 into one of your HDMI ports, and you should be set. For games and movies. PS3 may come with an HDMI cable, but this probably shoots down a $299 pricepoint.
 
I don't see why it would come with a HDMI cable, you can buy them for like $7 online. I'm sure Sony will sell their own officialy licensed one for $30 [not to mention the inevitable $100 Monster Cable version].
 
Schmo Florez said:
The 360 has DVI only right?
If so, I just bought an HDTV with an HDMI input. Is there a DVI to HDMI adapter?
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No. It has a analogue output only. As in, no DVI or HDMI.
You can use component or VGA if your tv has that(most likely).
 
Wollan said:
I think a high up at Sony already confirmed it that you didn't need two hdtv's through hdmi(to watch two screens) but that you could potentialy use a standard tv through analogue and one HDTV through HDMI. (Like have the normal tv be your item/stat screen in Diablo 3. Or have your online friendslist there...etc)
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Harrison has said that the second screen can be connected via the regular AV-out, not just the second HDMI. So that may make it more feasible for more people.

SolidSnakex said:
Unless OPM did a mistranslation of what Harrison said, he seems to be stating that it won't happen at launch
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This is what he said:

""Are there two versions of the Xbox 360 that people want to buy, is my question," he continued. "I don't know."

"This is my personal view, not my corporate view, but when I look at those formats, I think it just confuses the audience. They don't know which one to buy, developers don't know which one to create for, and retailers don't know which one to stock."

"So I think we wouldn't take that strategy. We wouldn't create confusion," he concluded. "

I think it's probable they won't, but I don't think he really fully confirmed that.
 
I have HDMI on my 1080i TV set but I don't use it for anything. If PS3 uses HDMI would my tv take it since PS3 is 1080p?
 
truffleshuffle83 said:
all i know is sony better include a HDMI cable in box
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Why, the fact it has a native HDMI port and not the multiport consoles use for analog connections means you can spend a hell of a lot less money. Instead of paying $30 or $40 for some Sony branded cable you can just buy a regular HDMI cable for like $15 or $20. Unless you shop at RadioShack, then it'll cost you $100. :lol
 
Mrbob said:
Damn Stinkles we already know your thoughts about HDMI HD movie playing, getting in more shots again I see. :lol.
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I will never give up! NEVER!

Actually, one good reason for folks to keep bitching about it is the real possibility that movie studios will blink, panic and alllow 720p/1080 through component. They are nervoius about it, so the more noise we make, the more likely they'll twitch.
 
Farore said:
Question: Why the studios don't want 720/1080 through component? ?:|
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Their argument is that component is analog and therefore easily copied. Since HDMI and DVI are digital, they can apply whatever DRM solution suits their fancy.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
That's some absurd resolution and any dev that can pull that off, my hats off to them. I'm guessing maybe Sony's PD will try it, because it's gives the ultimate viewing width for racing and they're just hardcore like that.
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I think only a few Sony devs will use dual-1080p output. But GT5 should look amazing.

I think the real crux of dual-monitor usage will be limited to OS functions. Video chat, Internet browsing etc.
Which is in no way a bad thing, that would still be very cool.

Stinkles said:
Actually, one good reason for folks to keep bitching about it is the real possibility that movie studios will blink, panic and alllow 720p/1080 through component. They are nervoius about it, so the more noise we make, the more likely they'll twitch.
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Good thing most studios say they won't use ICT...for commercial reasons. :)
 
Striek said:
Good thing most studios say they won't use ICT...for commercial reasons. :)
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Yeah - but it would be a hardware lock according to specs - not a software switch. But as you rightly point out, the studios (except Warner) have all said they won't use it. Now if everyone agrees to it, Blu Ray could play HD through component, and will absolutley rock.

It's absolutely the most logical thing to do.
 
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