"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes

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Hanso said:
Why can't they just vote again next week?
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Today they could have slid it through without a single Democrat. Next week, they need to satisfy their own parties factions, which is already proven impossible and also bring democrats into the loop. Never in a billion years.
 
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As a non US guy: are republicans correct that Obamacare will implode on its own in the near/medium term? I know insurers are leaving.
 
Lunar15 said:
I'm happy, but at the same time this is just going to galvanize the GOP base. When you live in that bubble, it's easy to see this as "increasing evidence" that "socialism" is something you can't "take back" and that once you give handouts people will obstruct everything in order to keep it.

I'm also not entirely sure what this means for the ACA moving forward.
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It's not handouts when we as a people decide via our elected representatives to pool and use our tax dollars in a way that makes sense and is more efficient than the alternative in achieving positive outcomes for the most people.

The idea that socialism is a handout for most people is laughable. It's more analogous to insurance itself, as well as buying pools to get better deals on services, etc. (e.g., single payer universal healthcare, subsidized higher education, etc.).
 
I'm amazed that even with a fully Republican Congress and White House, they're unable to move forward with anything.

They've gone so far with obstructionism that they're obstructing their own party.
 
Evil's Bane said:
So...why didn't Trump just delay the bill again?
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This delay means the bill is effectively dead, they don't want to spend more political capital on trying to push forward a dead bill, effectively noodle-dicking congress and accomplishing nothing.

They want to move on to tax reform....
 
Fantastapotamus said:
They had 8 years to write that bill
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They had 8 years to posture and preen about, acting like they were sticking it to Obama, who their constituency didn't like to keep their jobs. Now that they can lose their job for repealing Obamacare, they can't actually vote like they did for the 8 years Obama was in office.

They only care about their jobs.
 
Fergie said:
Hahahaha.

Incredible nearly 3 months in and Trump has been 'winning' so much.
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People keep saying this. It's only a couple days over two months.

I keep seeing people drastically overestimate how long it's been since he got inaugurated. I know it feels like forever, but it hasn't been.

OT: get fucked orange asshole
 
Evil's Bane said:
So...why didn't Trump just delay the bill again?
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It wasn't going to pass the House, and if somehow it did, it needed to pass the Senate which wasn't going to happen, but if it was somehow approved by the Senate, it needed to be signed by 4/15 before Budget Reconciliation was done.
 
Hanso said:
Why can't they just vote again next week?
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Basically, Obamacare is already a market-oriented plan. There isn't a way to make a more market-friendly bill that actually improves on its outcomes. The GOP has been promising to repeal it since it was passed, but doesn't have a good alternative because you can't draft a more right-wing bill that won't leave large numbers of people uninsured. Ryan came up with a shitty bill that tries to do this, but both moderate Republicans in swing districts and far right members of the Freedom Caucus oppose it for opposite reasons. Trying to make the bill to be softer means losing the FC support and making the bill palatable to the FC means losing swing district Republicans worried about reelection.
 
RSTEIN said:
As a non US guy: are republicans correct that Obamacare will implode on its own in the near/medium term? I know insurers are leaving.
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It will implode because they've been going out of their way to defund key parts of it and undermine parts of it. So yea it's gonna implode as long as they're in charge. That's their backup plan.
 
Can't say I am disappointing at all. What I am disappointed in is that a party this dysfunctional was able to commandeer control of all branches at once.
 
Ac30 said:
But WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT ON LIVE TV?! He just admitted they're incompetent!
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He's trying to throw the Freedom Caucus under the bus, because if that group of House Republicans doesn't learn that they will have to compromise on some things, nothing's going to get done.
 
Muppet of a Man said:
It's not handouts when we as a people decide via our elected representatives to pool and use our tax dollars in a way that makes sense and is more efficient than the alternative in achieving positive outcomes for the most people.

The idea that socialism is a handout for most people is laughable. It's more analogous to insurance itself, as well as buying pools to get better deals on services, etc. (e.g., single payer universal healthcare, subsidized higher education, etc.).
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You and me know that, buddy. But we're not dealing with me's and you's here. We're dealing with people that looked at Trump and said "Yeah, this is electable". We're dealing with people that obsess over Ayn Rand and see the concept of socialism as food lines in Russia.

The drum the republicans banged on for ACA is that it was the government forcing people to buy a service. That perception isn't going to go away.
 
A real deal maker would have worked with dems + moderate republicans to fix parts of the ACA, claim victory for "saving" healthcare and call it a day.

Trump is a lame duck with full control of the government lol.
 
RSTEIN said:
As a non US guy: are republicans correct that Obamacare will implode on its own in the near/medium term? I know insurers are leaving.
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the republicans have been actively been working since the ACA became a law to make sure it fails. If they had worked with the Dems it would likely be a pretty decent system at this point.

it is very likely they will continue that and hope they can just pin it on the dems even though most people just blame the people in charge.
 
Obviously this is hilarious but it is also totally unsurprising. Obama gave the republicans a republican healthcare deal and they spat in his face out of spite, what could they possibly cobble together that would be acceptable after that?
 
RSTEIN said:
As a non US guy: are republicans correct that Obamacare will implode on its own in the near/medium term? I know insurers are leaving.
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No, the CBO scored it when evaluating Trumpcare and admitted Obamacare was totally stable.

The only insurers leaving the marketplace are companies like Aetna attempting to use leaving to pressure the government into approving mega mergers with rival companies that violate anticompetive laws.
 
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