Wouldn't take a ton of planning TBH
"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes
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Wouldn't take a ton of planning TBH
Outdoor Miner
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Good interview with Schumer on CNN. Hitting all the right notes.
Dead Prince
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God is on his side
Swass
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Russian interference, electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, unpopular opponent, basically a huge amount of circumstances..
Joe Shlabotnik
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Democrats need even the slightest shoring up of their fighting progressive bona fides.
Believe me I'm hardly far left but there is no downside to opposing a Republican nominee from a President with a cloud of treason around him after the GOP just stifled an even more qualified nominee for no reason.
This turns off no one who already would never vote Democrat and engages the base.
Miles Quaritch
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The point is they are reliable voters. They will always come out and vote R, no matter the consequences, while people on the other side wring their hands over stupid shit and don't bother voting.
ultratruman
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Right, and what happens with RBG dies and Trump picks an actual psycho to replace her? McConnell will remove it, even Graham said he'd vote for removing it if Dems block Gorsuch.
fredrancour
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filibuster gets killed on a topic-by-topic basis. it was killed years ago for lesser appointments. getting the SC appointment one killed would not destroy the ability to use it on bills.
bureaucratic procedures are a twisty mess, yes.
but if you believe that the republicans will kill it without hesitation, isn't saving it meaningless? it would then effectively not exist starting now.
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I still can't believe this happened. What a relief.
Steve Youngblood
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Perhaps. But I'm not really convinced that the filibuster can really be considered all that effective a tool if it's only useful as a threat that nobody actually uses. So dems don't use it and save it for the next big battle. It just does then, right?
Considering how Ryan talked about Trump during the campaign... Yeah I think it's very possible. Big hit on Ryan as he was the lead to the whole bill.
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Username1198
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What move is this in 11th dimensional chess? Hyper nova checkmate?
He better hope so, because I reckon nobody else is
balladofwindfishes
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Cool
Then call his bluff and have him remove it now. If he's going to remove it anyway, might as well be now.
Democrats are currently sitting at the biggest morale boost they've had since the election and you're sitting here telling people they need to get along with the Republicans who just showed everyone they're currently on fire
No way. Obstruct. Obstruct. Obstruct. Make every single thing, from procedure votes to routine tax stuff the most painful experience the GOP has ever felt. Make them wish they were the minority. The GOP lost a huge chunk of their power today and we're not giving an inch of it back. Democrats are FIRED UP and ready to go.
Mineshaft_Gap
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Because God is real and Jesus thinks it's pretty cool to grab women by the pussy.
NullPointer
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I think the GOP will juse nuke the filibuster for scotus appointments, but they don't want to and they sure as hell don't want to under Trump (because he is unlikely to get re-elected)
I really don't think it matters whether democrats filibuster or not because I don't think nuking it will hurt the GOP in 2018 or 2020 but you might as well extract some price from them for Gorsuch, and making them nuke the filibuster would be one option
I really don't think it matters whether democrats filibuster or not because I don't think nuking it will hurt the GOP in 2018 or 2020 but you might as well extract some price from them for Gorsuch, and making them nuke the filibuster would be one option
Vestal
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Yup... I hate saying this, because I want my Country to move forward, but its evident it wont under this administration.. So with that said... PAYBACK IS A BITCH MOTHERFUCKERS!
Cesare Borgia
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Why would he? He's smart, he sees his party's president is toxic and rapidly becoming more unpopular. Why nuke the filibuster now, knowing you just might regret it if a wave election sweeps your party out of office thanks to Trump. Not to mention the hanging shadow of the Russian stuff/potential indictments.
The WH won't recover from today. I don't see McConnell bowing to Trump on this.
afreaknamedpete
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Optimism aside, I believe that there will be a revised bill submitted. It's not like the Ryan bill had zero support, the Republican party seems to feel that repealing Obamacare is its duty.
I'd predict that there will be more proposals, probably not from Ryan for a while, but other proposals will be drafted and there's probably gonna be one that placates enough Republicans. Also the longer they go w/o repealing Obamacare the more pressure will likely mount internally.
I'd predict that there will be more proposals, probably not from Ryan for a while, but other proposals will be drafted and there's probably gonna be one that placates enough Republicans. Also the longer they go w/o repealing Obamacare the more pressure will likely mount internally.
Garrett Hawke
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My friends mum just came in and said that this is shameful for trump because he should've been able to push it through considering the majority they have
I'm so glad this narrative is taking hold
I'm so glad this narrative is taking hold
Dash_Riprock
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The mental gymnastics r/The Donald will go through to shift blame away from Captain Orange should keep me entertained all weekend.
Amibguous Cad
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Hmm? This is the introduction to Jon Chait's article on it.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/why-obamacare-defeated-trumpcare.html
Still worth reading
NullPointer
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Trump wanted it, demanded it, promised it, and threatened people over it, which is why I don't agree with passing this all off on Ryan.
It may not be Republicare considering the divisions in the Republican party, but its certainly Trumpcare, and his name is all over it.
The fact that it was dead in th house means the bill is dead.
Passing the house was suppose to be the EASY part. They expected to get push back from the moderates in the senate that don't have the luxury of gerrymandered districts.
Swass
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100% this, I don't think people are grasping the gravity of what went down today..
Shadow Puppetry
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Democrats are losers!
Ryan pulls GOP health care bill following call from Trump
Trump appears to take a page from 'The Art of the Deal' in health care negotiations
In Trump's comments to the press from the Oval Office -- where he was joined by Vice President Mike Pence and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price -- he singled out efforts from congressional Democrats to block the bill, going so far as to call the Senate and House Minority Leaders Chuck Schumer, D-New York, and Nancy Pelosi, D-California, "the losers" in the situation.
"We had no Democrat support. We had no votes from the Democrats," said Trump at the top of his statement. "They weren't going to give us a single vote so it's a very difficult thing to do."
Within the last two weeks, Trump labeled the strategy of leaving Obamacare in place "the wrong thing to do for the country."
"I tell Tom Price and I tell Paul Ryan, I tell every one of them, I say the best thing you can do politically is wait a year because it's gonna blow itself off the map," said Trump on March 13. "But that's the wrong thing to do for the country. It's the wrong thing to do for our citizens."
Facing his first legislative defeat and predicting the downfall of a policy that provides health insurance to millions of Americans, Trump maintained that the eventual implementation of a Republican plan "will go very smoothly," and said his administration "learned a lot." He mostly avoided assigning blame to Republicans despite continued holdouts from multiple party factions.
"We learned a lot about loyalty," said Trump. When asked if he felt "betrayed" by the Freedom Caucus, he conceded he was "disappointed" and "surprised" but tried to spin the situation in his party's favor.
Ryan pulls GOP health care bill following call from Trump
Trump appears to take a page from 'The Art of the Deal' in health care negotiations
In Trump's comments to the press from the Oval Office -- where he was joined by Vice President Mike Pence and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price -- he singled out efforts from congressional Democrats to block the bill, going so far as to call the Senate and House Minority Leaders Chuck Schumer, D-New York, and Nancy Pelosi, D-California, "the losers" in the situation.
"We had no Democrat support. We had no votes from the Democrats," said Trump at the top of his statement. "They weren't going to give us a single vote so it's a very difficult thing to do."
Within the last two weeks, Trump labeled the strategy of leaving Obamacare in place "the wrong thing to do for the country."
"I tell Tom Price and I tell Paul Ryan, I tell every one of them, I say the best thing you can do politically is wait a year because it's gonna blow itself off the map," said Trump on March 13. "But that's the wrong thing to do for the country. It's the wrong thing to do for our citizens."
Facing his first legislative defeat and predicting the downfall of a policy that provides health insurance to millions of Americans, Trump maintained that the eventual implementation of a Republican plan "will go very smoothly," and said his administration "learned a lot." He mostly avoided assigning blame to Republicans despite continued holdouts from multiple party factions.
"We learned a lot about loyalty," said Trump. When asked if he felt "betrayed" by the Freedom Caucus, he conceded he was "disappointed" and "surprised" but tried to spin the situation in his party's favor.
PanicFreak
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"The democrats own it" is an excuse absolutely no one can believe now. The Republicans own it too.
Yeah, what's more important than keeping women from being sexually assaulted is making sure they get eternally punished for daring to have sex with innocent men outside of an institution where the male is seen as the decision maker
Anyway, majority of Christians (including women) hate women, white people hate other races, majority of American Christians are white, bada bingo badda boom-o:
TRUMP IS JESUS' PICK
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Vestal
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If Gorsuch can't get through then nobody Trump nominates will.
You bring up how 2018 might be a terrible wave election for the GOP, but that's even more reason to get through Gorsuch now at all costs. If the Dems sweep into one, or both, parts of congress in 2018 and then the presidency in 2020 then they can shape the court instantly.
Saucycarpdog
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I'm sure he's referring to someone else.
Moderates thought it hurt too many people and hardcore conservatives thought it didn't hurt enough. Couldn't find the sweet spot, I guess.
Oh my god that is pure ether.
Schumer turning out way better than I thought he would.
I fucking love it.
GrizzleBoy
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*checks The_Donald subreddit front page*
Okay guys.
Okay.
Okay guys.
Okay.
Rentahamster
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My comment and Aaronrules' are not as different as you might think. Are you predicting the final incarnation of this bill will be even more to the "right", so to speak, than Ryan's initial proposal? I doubt that.
NullPointer
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Hopefully, at least the ones interested in the actual policy more than some kind of superficial win at any cost.
If the Republicans wanted to do this right, they needed to take the proper amount of time to forge a real consensus, and in such a way that they weren't going to get burned in their midterms.
But nope, they let the salesman drive the process, and to hell with the actual details.
BadAss2961
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Rage quit.
Trump and Ryan didn't let the vote go down because they were probably further from passing than they're letting on.
Trump and Ryan didn't let the vote go down because they were probably further from passing than they're letting on.
Aaron Strife
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If they nuke the filibuster, Gorsuch would pass with 51 votes.
Frankly I think the "They might nuke the filibuster!" argument is terrible because then the threat of filibustering anything carries no weight.
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