BoboBrazil
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Saw a commercial for it today on tv. Cool! Hope they replay it at night since I'll be at work.
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Hey G4TV is showing E3 Live??
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satterfield
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You guys are all in for a big surprise.
krypt0nian
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satterfield said:
Shane Satterfield is a segment producer at "X-Play"
Vibri said:
What, you don't think a camera pointed at a monitor with a one-level game demo running would make fascinating television? :lol
I expect people here will do nothing but bitch about it (as per usual), but this is going to be the most comprehensive television coverage of E3 ever done by anyone.
Is the producer of one of the most bitter and sardonic programs I have ever seen on television actually complaining about people criticizing his company? :lol
The question on most people's minds is when (if ever) is G4's coverage of E3 ever going to even come close to approaching the level of something like Gamespot or IGN. I always thought television media was supposed to be bigger and have more access. Comcast/G4 has a lot of catching up to do to Cnet/Gamespot. For G4, 2 hours a day for 4 days is nice (hopefully an improvement over past years), but a site like Gamespot is going to have live coverage of all press conferences, new interviews and coverage of the show every single hour of the day, footage of all the new games, and it's all going to be available on demand and commercial free whenever you want to watch it. I will watch G4's coverage, but it's not going to be anywhere near good enough to rely on as your sole source for E3. On the otherhand I would say that a Gamespot complete membership is probably good enough as a sole source to provide you with 95% of everything you are going to want to see from the show.
Hell the last episode of X-Play I saw featured 5 minutes of game coverage and 18 minutes of making fun of the Pope, mocking George Bush, before leading into a segment of Adam Sessler ranting against Bill O'Reilly and bemoaning that people actually care that the Pope died. Please excuse me if I don't faithfully unplug my cable modem in light of your comprehensive gaming coverage, but most worthwhile game media sources don't meander into the meaningless off topic crap that your program frequently does.
Is anyone supposed to be blown away by that statement? I'm glad G4 is actually covering E3 live this year and I'm glad you're teaming up with a popular and established source like IGN (who actually takes the subject seriously), but claiming that you have the most comprehensive coverage of E3 on television doesn't exactly mean much when there is virtually no coverage of E3 on television outside of G4. You could have made the same claim last year and the year before that for G4's coverage of E3. Comprehensive for tv maybe, but I seriously doubt it will be very comprehensive when compared to the vast array of alternative media which are more readily available.MattKeil said:
The question on most people's minds is when (if ever) is G4's coverage of E3 ever going to even come close to approaching the level of something like Gamespot or IGN. I always thought television media was supposed to be bigger and have more access. Comcast/G4 has a lot of catching up to do to Cnet/Gamespot. For G4, 2 hours a day for 4 days is nice (hopefully an improvement over past years), but a site like Gamespot is going to have live coverage of all press conferences, new interviews and coverage of the show every single hour of the day, footage of all the new games, and it's all going to be available on demand and commercial free whenever you want to watch it. I will watch G4's coverage, but it's not going to be anywhere near good enough to rely on as your sole source for E3. On the otherhand I would say that a Gamespot complete membership is probably good enough as a sole source to provide you with 95% of everything you are going to want to see from the show.
Hell the last episode of X-Play I saw featured 5 minutes of game coverage and 18 minutes of making fun of the Pope, mocking George Bush, before leading into a segment of Adam Sessler ranting against Bill O'Reilly and bemoaning that people actually care that the Pope died. Please excuse me if I don't faithfully unplug my cable modem in light of your comprehensive gaming coverage, but most worthwhile game media sources don't meander into the meaningless off topic crap that your program frequently does.
JoshuaJSlone
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I see on g4tv.com it says "Live May 18-20", but what about the earlier press conferences? That seems something more important to have live, whereas on-floor coverage could happen any time during the day and we mostly wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Vlad said:
Ehh, Cinematech did exactly this at E3 last year. I'm guessing they'll do it again this year. That's ALL they do, show trailers. You find this interesting?
I have cable TV for a reason, and it isn't to give me exactly what the fucking websites already do -- endless pre-made trailers handed on from game publishers.
I want to see Kaz Hirai and Satoru Iwata put on the spot on live TV about their new shit. I want to see all the crazy fuckers going crazy at the Nintendo press conference, be entertained. This is video games, but it sounds like some people want it to be treated like a cancer convention.
How about letting us feel the energy of E3, plus seeing all the biggest highlights on TV. THAT's what I hope they do, not just stream 24/7 game trailers for the 300 fanboys here on GAF. Come on people, we already have a million websites who do that at E3.
satterfield
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We're only broadcasting live two hours a day, but I think people will be pleasantly surprised at just how much we manage to cover in that time, and you'll be even more surprised by the people who appear on our live broadcasts and what they present. And you'll be able to see it without waiting for clogged servers, and without squinting your eyes to try and make out details from a grainy web movie.
Are there going to be some sacrifices? Yes. Are you going to be able to watch three minutes of Dreamcatcher's latest point-and-click game? Probably not. Are you going to see the industry's biggest luminaries in live interviews demo'ing the products you want to see up close and personal? Yes, you are. Are you going to see every major publisher's biggest games at full screen? Yes, you are. Are you going to get all this before the closing bell rings on Friday? You most certainly are. Personally, I'm really stoked about it and I think everyone who tunes in is going to enjoy it.
And while I've got you guys, if you see me wandering around the show floor in a daze, feel free to walk up and say hello. Maybe it will snap me out of it, and I'd love to put some faces to the names here.
Are there going to be some sacrifices? Yes. Are you going to be able to watch three minutes of Dreamcatcher's latest point-and-click game? Probably not. Are you going to see the industry's biggest luminaries in live interviews demo'ing the products you want to see up close and personal? Yes, you are. Are you going to see every major publisher's biggest games at full screen? Yes, you are. Are you going to get all this before the closing bell rings on Friday? You most certainly are. Personally, I'm really stoked about it and I think everyone who tunes in is going to enjoy it.
And while I've got you guys, if you see me wandering around the show floor in a daze, feel free to walk up and say hello. Maybe it will snap me out of it, and I'd love to put some faces to the names here.
satterfield
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DarienA said:
We're doing an entire show about all three press conferences on Tuesday night. It's two hours long and live.
krypt0nian
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Bishman said:
Exactly...press conferences or death!
I'd like to see most of the conferences, minus the boring parts. The show floor coverage comes secondary to me, but I still want to see it.
I'm not gonna rag on G4, because I actually enjoy the channel. I don't like everything, but I don't like everything on any given channel that I frequently watch. I'll definitely be watching the coverage this year. I don't have any expectations as I didn't see last year's coverage, but teaming up with IGN surely is a good sign.
I'm not gonna rag on G4, because I actually enjoy the channel. I don't like everything, but I don't like everything on any given channel that I frequently watch. I'll definitely be watching the coverage this year. I don't have any expectations as I didn't see last year's coverage, but teaming up with IGN surely is a good sign.
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Actually, I meant everything, not just G4. GAF is fast news, but GAF is also hate.
Not full-screen in broadcast resolution. You're right, though, I wouldn't recommend to anyone that G4 be their ONLY source of E3 coverage. Online sites are always going to be able to do the things you cite easier and sometimes faster than TV because it doesn't cost them nearly as much. Gamespot can broadcast live webcasts of the press conferences, and that's awesome. I'm glad somebody can do it, because even the boring press conferences are fun to be at. Going to them is generally my favorite part of E3, and while I'd love to have them shown live on TV, there's just no reasonable way it's going to happen any time soon. Costs too much, viewer interest is too low, advertisers don't care. Watch them live, then tune in to the G4 press conference recap show Tuesday night to see the game footage in its full-screen glory, is what I'd say.
It all comes down to money and perceived viewer interest. If this year goes well, it will only get bigger and bigger in future years until it eventually reaches the point where it will indeed be a production to rival Gamespot's coverage. Gamespot's coverage didn't start out on the level it is at today, either.
I find your timekeeping to be a bit suspect. Regardless, whatever you may think of X-Play, it's irrelevant in this case. E3 Live 05 is not X-Play.
Whoever compared G4 to Gamespot is oblivious to the obvious. Gamespot is a website - the layout and presentation of information is completely different than that of G4, a TV channel. Honestly even if there's less info on G4, I'd prefer sitting my ass down and having it presented to me, rather than waiting for my fucking videos to download/stream.
There's an obvious reason that G4 can't cover as much as a website, at least not as efficiently - because it takes much more to record, edit, etc. whatever piece over writing an article and posting some media.
My initial comment regarding just taping demos was just a knock at how I really hate sometimes how during a piece on a new game, the camera is more often on someone being interviewed with short interspersed clips of gameplay. It should be the other way around. And I'm not talking trailers at all, but actual gameplay. So more in-game footage, but keep the info comin'
Maybe in the future, we could get full videos with commentary of the bigger E3 demos, that'd be pretty sweet.
There's an obvious reason that G4 can't cover as much as a website, at least not as efficiently - because it takes much more to record, edit, etc. whatever piece over writing an article and posting some media.
My initial comment regarding just taping demos was just a knock at how I really hate sometimes how during a piece on a new game, the camera is more often on someone being interviewed with short interspersed clips of gameplay. It should be the other way around. And I'm not talking trailers at all, but actual gameplay. So more in-game footage, but keep the info comin'
Maybe in the future, we could get full videos with commentary of the bigger E3 demos, that'd be pretty sweet.
I refuse to watch G4MTV. I wish they would try to make a serious stab at doing a gaming network and not just a lame and cheap version of MTV. Whatever happened to a serious review show that didn't feature a jackass making political comments that just make the show dated, in the long run?
Get the two chicks off G4TV and get two people who are serious gaming journalists.
Get the two chicks off G4TV and get two people who are serious gaming journalists.
Soundwave 2k4
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2 hours of live footage a day isn't bad at all, actually its pretty damn great. i have gamespot complete for e3 and i'll still be referring to that mainly but itll be nice to see footage of games im looking forward to nice and clear on my tv screen
bobbyconover
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I've never seen G4's broadcasts other than Icons, so I can't really comment on that side of things. I do know that I'm sick of their camera crews tromping all over E3 acting like they own the place, though, angrily shooing away hundreds of showgoers who are trying to get from one place to another as they plop down their operation right in the middle of heavily-traveled areas of the show floor. The fact that it's usually only to get some horrible introduction shot from a faux-excited pretty girl 'reporter' reciting "Video Power with Johnny Arcade"-caliber lines about HOT GAMEZ from a teleprompter doesn't help.
Ulairi said:
And while we're dreaming up TV networks that are destined to appeal to practically no one, I'd like my own TV network that covers the art cooking, but WITH NO HUMOR ALLOWED. None of that watered down, Iron Chef bullshit that flies with the mainstream. I need more serious.... video game.... journalists.... on TV no less. :lol
ManaByte said:
I am very happy that G4 will be showing coverage from E3, especially the 2 hours a day coverage! I would like to ask you to please speak to your show hosts and tell them not to talk crap about Nintendo like they do at every E3 and on most of their monthly/weekly shows. Tommy Tallarico and those two fake gamers on G4tv.com, Tina Wood, & Laura Foy, fall into this bias group of tv journalists on your newtwork. For people who claim to be gamers, they sure shoot down any good game that comes from Nintendo.
Most attendees don't seem to have a high regard for the orange shirts. I still don't quite understand how G4 managed to develop such a lousy MTV type of reputation in such a short period of time. G4 at E3 reminds me of like MTV at Woodstock. They're mocked and disdained by most of the hardcore, unless they start to give out free stuff.
It seems like most established media sources are capable of extensively covering the show without doing it in a flashy obnoxious way. Cnet and IGN affiliates and other game sites are obviously all over the place working hard (probably a lot harder than G4 considering they're providing tons more content), but they don't have to throw on bright yellow self promotional t-shirts and hire 20 interns to surround each camera. And when they're done working, the coverage they provide isn't carefully diluted into a more palatable casual gamer friendly outline version. Maybe it was a faux pas on my part to use Gamespot as an example. It's not just the big companies who are doing more comprehensive work than G4 at this point. There are tons of very small to big websites and magazines who work their butts off to capture and produce a tremendous amount of content for their audience. G4 at this point simply doesn't hold a candle to most sources let alone the biggest when it comes to coverage. And yet G4's probably the largest and most visible media source at the entire event. I've come back from the last 2 E3's having witnessed the massive armies of orange shirted G4 workers wondering why it is that it takes so many people to produce so little content?
Maybe you have a crappy internet connection, but Gamespots videos tend to stream instantly for me at 700K. I don't really have any problems with Cnet's servers. I wouldn't exactly refer to their archived media as "grainy" either. It's usually really high quality stuff and the resolution on my computer monitor is a lot better than my tv. Last time I checked G4tv is not broadcast in HD so the games are not going to be displayed with as much detail and clarity as you can get with a video on your computer. At the end of the day G4 coverage is simply small potatoes compared to various other media coverage. G4 certainly has the potential to become a dominant source of coverage, but they have a long way to go.
"There's an obvious reason that G4 can't cover as much as a website, at least not as efficiently - because it takes much more to record, edit, etc. whatever piece over writing an article and posting some media."
You do realize that I was comparing Gamespot's and Gamespy's live video coverage of the event to G4's video coverage. Let's not even start to compare written web content. G4 has a website too, which is also greatly lacking content compared to the competition. And all of their coverage including G4's is live meaning that there is no "editing." Gamespot is producing live video and G4 is producing live video, as far as I'm concerned there's really no difference other than the fact that Gamespot has evolved to a point where their coverage of the event is much more comprehensive.
G4's limited coverage seems like it would be satisfactory for people with only a passing interest in the subject matter as their sole source. G4 does not and probably never will go as indepth into coverage of the event as it's competition already does. G4 can probably provide a nice overview, but I simply can't see anyone here viewing G4 as a "comprehensive" source.
I would prefer to see G4 survive and evolve into something decent (ie. not drifting, car tuning, and softcore porn) so I hope they actually do a good job covering E3 this year and they finally get some ratings. If the last 3 programs added to the G4 lineup are a sign of where the network is headed then just do us all a favor and shrivel up and die ASAP.
It seems like most established media sources are capable of extensively covering the show without doing it in a flashy obnoxious way. Cnet and IGN affiliates and other game sites are obviously all over the place working hard (probably a lot harder than G4 considering they're providing tons more content), but they don't have to throw on bright yellow self promotional t-shirts and hire 20 interns to surround each camera. And when they're done working, the coverage they provide isn't carefully diluted into a more palatable casual gamer friendly outline version. Maybe it was a faux pas on my part to use Gamespot as an example. It's not just the big companies who are doing more comprehensive work than G4 at this point. There are tons of very small to big websites and magazines who work their butts off to capture and produce a tremendous amount of content for their audience. G4 at this point simply doesn't hold a candle to most sources let alone the biggest when it comes to coverage. And yet G4's probably the largest and most visible media source at the entire event. I've come back from the last 2 E3's having witnessed the massive armies of orange shirted G4 workers wondering why it is that it takes so many people to produce so little content?
Yeah there's an obvious difference. Most people who work for G4 will probably be visiting Gamespot regularly for info and content. Most people who work for Gamespot probably won't turn to G4 for anything.miyuru said:Whoever compared G4 to Gamespot is oblivious to the obvious. Gamespot is a website - the layout and presentation of information is completely different than that of G4, a TV channel. Honestly even if there's less info on G4, I'd prefer sitting my ass down and having it presented to me, rather than waiting for my fucking videos to download/stream.
There's an obvious reason that G4 can't cover as much as a website, at least not as efficiently - because it takes much more to record, edit, etc. whatever piece over writing an article and posting some media.
My initial comment regarding just taping demos was just a knock at how I really hate sometimes how during a piece on a new game, the camera is more often on someone being interviewed with short interspersed clips of gameplay. It should be the other way around. And I'm not talking trailers at all, but actual gameplay. So more in-game footage, but keep the info comin'
Maybe in the future, we could get full videos with commentary of the bigger E3 demos, that'd be pretty sweet.
Maybe you have a crappy internet connection, but Gamespots videos tend to stream instantly for me at 700K. I don't really have any problems with Cnet's servers. I wouldn't exactly refer to their archived media as "grainy" either. It's usually really high quality stuff and the resolution on my computer monitor is a lot better than my tv. Last time I checked G4tv is not broadcast in HD so the games are not going to be displayed with as much detail and clarity as you can get with a video on your computer. At the end of the day G4 coverage is simply small potatoes compared to various other media coverage. G4 certainly has the potential to become a dominant source of coverage, but they have a long way to go.
"There's an obvious reason that G4 can't cover as much as a website, at least not as efficiently - because it takes much more to record, edit, etc. whatever piece over writing an article and posting some media."
You do realize that I was comparing Gamespot's and Gamespy's live video coverage of the event to G4's video coverage. Let's not even start to compare written web content. G4 has a website too, which is also greatly lacking content compared to the competition. And all of their coverage including G4's is live meaning that there is no "editing." Gamespot is producing live video and G4 is producing live video, as far as I'm concerned there's really no difference other than the fact that Gamespot has evolved to a point where their coverage of the event is much more comprehensive.
G4's limited coverage seems like it would be satisfactory for people with only a passing interest in the subject matter as their sole source. G4 does not and probably never will go as indepth into coverage of the event as it's competition already does. G4 can probably provide a nice overview, but I simply can't see anyone here viewing G4 as a "comprehensive" source.
That's true, but X-Play is also hate. X-Play is so much about bitterness, depression, and hate it's almost goth. I was just saying you insutling GAF for being hyper critical is the pot calling the kettle black. I also think you're way off the mark. I wouldn't peg this as a GAF related phenomenon since there are very few places (zero) I've seen on the internet where people are generally enthused about G4's content. Even the people on G4's boards don't seem to be overly happy with what's traditionally been produced by the network. I would say that I probably enjoy G4 a lot more than the average gamer does. That's just my impression from reading G4 related comments all over the internet. There's an exceptional level of scorn for the network on the entire internet, not just GAF. And really G4TV is one of the lowest nielsen rated networks on tv, so you can't even claim to be appealing to a bigger audience as MTV can. Matt Keil and Shane Satterfield strut around on the internet mocking everyone who dares criticizes G4 as if they're experts on how to get great ratings with video games. The entire network is getting abysmal ratings so perhaps it would be a good idea to not dismiss such a large consensus of opinions.Matt Keil said:
I would prefer to see G4 survive and evolve into something decent (ie. not drifting, car tuning, and softcore porn) so I hope they actually do a good job covering E3 this year and they finally get some ratings. If the last 3 programs added to the G4 lineup are a sign of where the network is headed then just do us all a favor and shrivel up and die ASAP.
Disliking what Nintendo shows at E3 doesn't make you a "fake gamer" if anything it makes you a typical gamer right now. The opinions expressed by these people that you hate seem to be fairly consistent with the market as a whole. If G4's hosts are underwhelmed by what Nintendo is producing they are not out of line with most video game consumers. The Gamecube and the DS aren't exactly churning out massive hits left and right and the release lists for both systems are pretty damn barren. Zelda probably deserves to get praise and I'm sure it will get more than it's fair share, but 1 very good game does not make a great lineup or a great E3 showing. I would hope that G4's hosts simply give their honest opinions and not feed Nintendo fanboys a load of BS just to save themselves from getting angry letters from immature mindless Nintendo worshippers. If MS, Sony, Nokia or Nintendo suck at E3 then people should just say so. Last 2 E3's have not been great for Nintendo and neither have the last 2 years been great for Gamecube. Nintendo always has a beautiful fun booth, but the amount of content they are showing is always sparse and seemingly out of touch with the modern gamer when compared to the software that Sony and Microsoft highlight. RE4 was the only playable standout title in Nintendo's booth last year and so Nintendo deserved the harsh assessment that they got from G4 last year.WordofGod said:
As for the new shows, only Formula D is somewhat decent. It has a shred of intelligence and honestly isn't too far from something you'd see on ESPN2. But Street Fury has to go. Any show where the host gets arrested on the air and is dumb enough to try to impress the cops arresting him with his "Street Fury DVDs" in order to be let go is too dumb to be on the air.
Attack of the Show? I'm shocked G4 gets any gaming advertisers after the show did a piracy tutorial showing kids how to bypass copy protection.
Icons was really the only show worth watching on the network and then they started selling the show to the highest bidder and we got a Mark Cuban infomercial.
If they don't read it, then it must not exist because according to the X-Play staffers who post here the show is a ratings killer with its insulting format and everyone loves it.
Attack of the Show? I'm shocked G4 gets any gaming advertisers after the show did a piracy tutorial showing kids how to bypass copy protection.
Icons was really the only show worth watching on the network and then they started selling the show to the highest bidder and we got a Mark Cuban infomercial.
If they don't read it, then it must not exist because according to the X-Play staffers who post here the show is a ratings killer with its insulting format and everyone loves it.
You know the funny thing is G4 was actually really positive towards Nintendo last year. Their DS coverage was actually better than most sites and mags imo and they were all over the new Zelda and did nice showings of their other games too. He does have a point about the bias at times though, not liking something is one thing, but sometimes alot of the stuff they say is just intentional antagonizing of the fans. People always point the finger at Tommy on this, but I've always found Kevin P. to be way more obnoxious with this kind of stuff.
hobbitx said:
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Towards the end of the Judgement Day E3 episode that aired yesterday, Tommy actually came out and said that he wasn't bias. That fact that he even said something just shows thhat the bias is true. So, I want to say thank you to whoever passed along my comment about Tommy and the two girl gamers being bias. I am starting to wonder now if my comment had anything to do with Tina showing off Nintendogs @ the Nintendo press conference.
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