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I kind of like the bit about STDs and Prostitution compared to the West. I guess they've never heard of Indonesia -- the largest Muslim country in the world -- where there are some 200,000+ child prostitutes.

And in regards to STDs... I suppose Nigeria, the 5th most Muslim country in the world, doesn't have an STD problem... despite having the third highest HIV/AIDs population on Earth.

But who's counting right?
 
The Albatross said:
I kind of like the bit about STDs and Prostitution compared to the West. I guess they've never heard of Indonesia -- the largest Muslim country in the world -- where there are some 200,000+ child prostitutes.

And in regards to STDs... I suppose Nigeria, the 5th most Muslim country in the world, doesn't have an STD problem... despite having the third highest HIV/AIDs population on Earth.

But who's counting right?
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"those aren't real muslims" is the defence they will probably go with
 
Souldriver said:
That is propaganda. As you might realize now, more forms of media/communication can be considered propaganda than you would assume. You don't even have to lie in propaganda, although it often happens.

The fact that you're focusing so hard on the use of the word propaganda though only makes me think that you desperately want to defend something about the video, just to create some opposition to the -obvious- ridicule and condemnation that it gets. When all else fails, convolute the discussion with semantics.
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If propaganda can encompass more things than the word has been traditionally used for, I think that's a disservice. The word itself carries a hell of a lot of negative weight. It's like using Nazi comparisons to make an argument. We all know this song and dance right? Bush is like a Nazi because he did this! Obama is like a Nazi because he did that! You can technically make these kinds of comparisons and arguments and somehow have logical validity with them, but doesn't mean you should.

Am I arguing semantics? Sure. And I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy semantic arguments from time to time. But semantics can be pretty important. Using a loaded word like "propaganda" tends to be a conversation stopper, not a conversation starter. Nothing is gained when its used.
 
Souldriver said:
Not that statistics would prove anything. The societies compared in the video are just not comparable. We're supposed to assume that the ratio of women reporting that they've been raped is the same? Get outta here...
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This and, let's remember, sex with a minor under 18 in the United States can be reported as rape. Compare this to countries where Sharia law is present: Muhammad, in his 50s, married and consumated his marriage with his 6 year old wife. There are no age restrictions on marriage in Sharia law countries, and even those not governed strictly by sharia have very lax age restrictions on marriage. And there is no such thing as maritual rape in Islamic countries.
 
BertramCooper said:
Not to sound insensitive, but I'm amused at how they listed Mary Kay Bergman as a "famous American actress" who committed suicide.
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I was dissapointed due to no Kurt Cobain on that list
 
The Albatross said:
I kind of like the bit about STDs and Prostitution compared to the West. I guess they've never heard of Indonesia -- the largest Muslim country in the world -- where there are some 200,000+ child prostitutes.

And in regards to STDs... I suppose Nigeria, the 5th most Muslim country in the world, doesn't have an STD problem... despite having the third highest HIV/AIDs population on Earth.

But who's counting right?
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Do these countries use the hijab extensively?
 
ZealousD said:
If propaganda can encompass more things than the word has been traditionally used for, I think that's a disservice. The word itself carries a hell of a lot of negative weight. It's like using Nazi comparisons to make an argument. We all know this song and dance right? Bush is like a Nazi because he did this! Obama is like a Nazi because he did that! You can technically make these kinds of comparisons and arguments and somehow have logical validity with them, but doesn't mean you should.

Am I arguing semantics? Sure. And I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy semantic arguments from time to time. But semantics can be pretty important. Using a loaded word like "propaganda" tends to be a conversation stopper, not a conversation starter. Nothing is gained when its used.
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But the video is a prime example of propaganda.


Dictionary:

–noun
1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2.
the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3.
the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.


Wikipedia:

In its basic form propaganda is focused on the acceptance of an idea, ideology, interpretation or concept and has an influencing aim as a communication technique. The initiator is more often non-commercial and has a political or religious background.
 
ZealousD said:
Do these countries use the hijab extensively?
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Not as much as the Islamic countries in the Middle East. Hijab is relatively new in Indonesia. But the video doesn't cite the Hijab use as the reason for lack of rape, prostitution, etc., but rather, the role of husbands.
 
I find it a bit amusing that the video says our expectations would be shattered if shown Muslim woman in their luxury woman only meetings and schools with fine food and dresses, but does not actually show it.
 
Ahoi-Brause said:
Oh well, sure it's propaganda and you can laugh it off but they have a few valid points.
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Just as much as I don't like how people are using the word "propaganda" here, I'm not sure I agree with your usage of the term "valid points".

I mean, I guess the complete subjugation of women would lead to fewer cases of adultery and STDs. Is that what you mean by "valid"?

Souldriver said:
But the video is a prime example of propaganda.

*dictionary definitions*
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I'll concede the point that you could technically call the video propaganda. But like I was getting at, "propaganda" is a loaded word that has some very particular connotations that extend beyond those dictionary definitions.
 
xbhaskarx said:
for example...?
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We drown ourselves in motorboats and roller coaster rides to distract us from our sad, shallow, existence.

Souldriver said:
But the video is a prime example of propaganda.


Dictionary:

–noun
1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2.
the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3.
the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.


Wikipedia:

In its basic form propaganda is focused on the acceptance of an idea, ideology, interpretation or concept and has an influencing aim as a communication technique. The initiator is more often non-commercial and has a political or religious background.
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Zealous is really going off the deep end on this one. I'm getting flashbacks of the guy that was arguing pretty adamantly something wasn't plagiarism when it became clear during the course of the argument he had no idea what plagiarism was.
 
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oh my god

oh shit

what

I can't be reading what I think I'm reading

ohhhhh jesus
 
I also find the idea that women have to cover themselves to protect them from men is ridiculous. They're basically trying to tell us that all men have the tendency to rape women, and that only by covering women up we can control ourselves. This kind of argument is often used when defending ridiculous stances. Like when homophobes don't want to be in the presence of gays because they're afraid of getting assaulted.


If you assume that every man is a sexual pervert and potential rapist that has to be stopped, it tells more about you than the people you're accusing.
 
The Albatross said:
Not as much as the Islamic countries in the Middle East. Hijab is relatively new in Indonesia. But the video doesn't cite the Hijab use as the reason for lack of rape, prostitution, etc., but rather, the role of husbands.
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I think the video cites the hijab as well as the separation of women and men in society as reasons for why STDs and rape cases are lower. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's more "free mixing" in Nigeria and Indonesia than in the more traditionally known Muslim countries.
 
xbhaskarx said:
for example...?
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The fact that feminism has lead to an objectification of women on a large scale.
Sure, radical islam is fucked up - but it's not like our society is without problems.
While some muslim fathers force their daughters to wear the hijab some girls in the western world are basically forced to wear miniskirts out of peer-pressure.
I'm the last person to complain about miniskirts, because I find them hot - but I can see where they are comming from and I won't be a jackass and pretend like our way of life is perfect and their way of life is shit.

The thing that made me pretty angry is when the iranian women soccer team was denied entry in the world cup in germany because the girls wear headscarf.
Do you know what obstacles those girls had to overcome just to be allowed to play soccer in the first place?
Meanwhile the german woman soccer team strips naked for playboy. Which is nice if you wanna fap to them... but it's an epitome of this post-feminism mindset our society has. "oh" you might say "they are liberated women who are comfortable with their sexuality" - in the same way a muslim might say a woman with a hijab is "a liberated woman who is comfortable with her spirituality".

It's a difficult topic and without understanding both sides you aren't getting anywhere.
 
Dali said:
Zealous is really going off the deep end on this one.
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Saying that I've gone off the deep end carries certain connotations that I strongly disagree with.
 
ZealousD said:
Just as much as I don't like how people are using the word "propaganda" here, I'm not sure I agree with your usage of the term "valid points".

I mean, I guess the complete subjugation of women would lead to fewer cases of adultery and STDs. Is that what you mean by "valid"?
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They do have a simi-valid argument with skin cancer. But I rather have the freedom to choice to wear a veil or worry about skin cancer. I can't really condone a religion for having such practices, but I do dislike how it is forced by national law (And the inverse in France, where it is banned)

The video does show some major cultural differences, over the freedom of choice or restriction of choice in favor of safety and consistency.
 
Souldriver said:
I also find the idea that women have to cover themselves to protect them from men is ridiculous. They're basically trying to tell us that all men have the tendency to rape women, and that only by covering women up we can control ourselves. This kind of argument is often used when defending ridiculous stances. Like when homophobes don't want to be in the presence of gays because they're afraid of getting assaulted.


If you assume that every man is a sexual pervert and potential rapist that has to be stopped, it tells more about you than the people you're accusing.
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And male jews are afraid I want to jizz on their heads. Also christians wear crosses all the time so they can fend of vampires.
 
Drkirby said:
They do have a simi-valid argument with skin cancer.
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Honestly, I thought that was the most ridiculous argument in favor of the hijab I've ever heard. And I've heard some ridiculous arguments.

That was actually the only point in the video that I laughed out loud.
 
ZealousD said:
Honestly, I thought that was the most ridiculous argument in favor of the hijab I've ever heard.

That was actually the only point in the video that I laughed out loud.
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I mean that it is legitimately true. "Wearing a veil reduces chance of skin cancer." Its a stupid argument though.

As opposed to using 25 year old suicide statistic figures from an article of questionable authority.
 
ZealousD said:
Honestly, I thought that was the most ridiculous argument in favor of the hijab I've ever heard. And I've heard some ridiculous arguments.

That was actually the only point in the video that I laughed out loud.
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But at least they're right about that. As little persuading as the argument is. :)
 
Souldriver said:
I also find the idea that women have to cover themselves to protect them from men is ridiculous. They're basically trying to tell us that all men have the tendency to rape women, and that only by covering women up we can control ourselves. This kind of argument is often used when defending ridiculous stances. Like when homophobes don't want to be in the presence of gays because they're afraid of getting assaulted.


If you assume that every man is a sexual pervert and potential rapist that has to be stopped, it tells more about you than the people you're accusing.
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you'll like this one, then. We're presented as flies:

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Ahoi-Brause said:
The fact that feminism has lead to an objectification of women on a large scale.
Sure, radical islam is fucked up - but it's not like our society is without problems.
While some muslim fathers force their daughters to wear the hijab some girls in the western world are basically forced to wear miniskirts out of peer-pressure.
I'm the last person to complain about miniskirts, because I find them hot - but I can see where they are comming from and I won't be a jackass and pretend like our way of life is perfect and their way of life is shit.
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I won't disagree with your claim that women in western society have been objectified, but they still have the freedom to not pose naked, not wear a miniskirt, or wear a hijab if they so choose.

The thing that made me pretty angry is when the iranian women soccer team was denied entry in the world cup in germany because the girls wear headscarf.
Do you know what obstacles those girls had to overcome just to be allowed to play soccer in the first place?
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IIRC the Jordanian women they were disqualified against were wearing covering that were legal by the rules put fourth whereas the Iranians just said to hell with the rules and got upset when they got disqualified for ignoring them. It's also my understanding they were aware of these rules in advance of the game.

Meanwhile the german woman soccer team strips naked for playboy. Which is nice if you wanna fap to them... but it's an epitome of this post-feminism mindset our society has. "oh" you might say "they are liberated women who are comfortable with their sexuality" - in the same way a muslim might say a woman with a hijab is "a liberated woman who is comfortable with her spirituality".

It's a difficult topic and without understanding both sides you aren't getting anywhere.
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They are liberated. They are free to pose or not to pose. Is a Muslim women in a restrictive Muslim regime as free to decide she does not want to wear a hijab in public?
 
That video talks complete shit, i was in turkey a few months ago and there were crazy drunk Turkish guys dancing on tables while everyone who was dancing around the table (also drunk out there minds) were pointing and dancing with the guy on the table.

so much for forbidding alcohol.

Never seen any other drug use tho, not even cocaine use in the toilets of the club.

pain in the ass when the Mosque's have a big loud speaker that plays a player each morning at like 5am

all in all i rate the nightclub experience in the only Islam/Muslim nation I've experienced a 10/10.

you could also smoke inside the clubs, fucking awesome.
 
Kentpaul said:
That video talks complete shit, i was in turkey a few months ago and there were crazy drunk Turkish guys dancing on tables while everyone who was dancing around the table (also drunk out there minds) were pointing and dancing with the guy on the table.

so much for forbidding alcohol.

Never seen any other drug use tho, not even cocaine use in the toilets of the club.

pain in the ass when the Mosque's have a big loud speaker that plays a player each morning at like 5am

all in all i rate the nightclub experience in the only Islam/Muslim nation I've experienced a 10/10.

you could also smoke inside the clubs, fucking awesome.
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Fun Fact: Turkey used to have an open (and theatrical screened) porn industry. Turkish films in general from the 1960s till the early-mid 1980s (when the industry in general collapsed) were just pure awesome.
 
Dali said:
I won't disagree with your claim that women in western society have been objectified, but they still have the freedom to not pose naked, not wear a miniskirt, or wear a hijab if they so choose.
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Yes, but this goes deeper.
Peer pressure plays a large part in the psyche of young adults. And the media plays their part to create trends for young people to follow.
The media dictates the dresscode and behaviour in our world like religion does it in their world.

Dali said:
IIRC the Jordanian women they were disqualified against were wearing covering that were legal by the rules put fourth whereas the Iranians just said to hell with the rules and got upset when they got disqualified for ignoring them. It's also my understanding they were aware of these rules in advance of the game.
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Well considering for women living in muslim countries it's already a huge milestone to be allowed to play soccer in the first place I think they were treated quite unfair




Dali said:
They are liberated. They are free to pose or not to pose. Is a Muslim women in a restrictive Muslim regime as free to decide she does not want to wear a hijab in public?
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In pre-war iraq and in libya women were free to go out without a headscarf.
But that's not even the point. I can see how it is unfair to force a woman to wear a hijab if she doesn't want, but some of them wear them because they want to wear them. It's cultural differences and I don't see the point in trying to force them to adapt to western ways. You wouldn't ban a jew from wearing a kippa, would you?
The same thing with playboy. For some muslims the german soccer team are basically whores, while we point fingers at them for having a culture were the hijab is mandatory.

Also I personally think having the german woman soccer team naked in playboy did damage their cause, because they will be reduced to tits and ass again.
It's not that I cared about their cause in the first place so I got no problem with it from that point of view. I just think if the german soccer team is allowed to strip naked for the readers of playboy the iranian team should be allowed to wear their hijabs.

It's our culture to applaud at women getting exploited sexually and having them think they are liberated and it's their culture to have their women dress modestly and have them think they are protected from sexual agression that way.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Fun Fact: Turkey used to have an open (and theatrical screened) porn industry. Turkish films in general from the 1960s till the early-mid 1980s (when the industry in general collapsed) were just pure awesome.
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I'll need to check a few out. I really dig foreign films, the more obscure the better.
 
Kentpaul said:
I'll need to check a few out. I really dig foreign films, the more obscure the better.
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Ask and ye shall receive:

CELLAT (Turkish Death Wish) which you can get on a LEGIT Special Edition Eng Subbed DVD from Onar Films
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q55yd7-LGJU NSFW NSFW

Olum Savascisi (Death Warrior)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzaWJTOlca4

Vahsi Kan (Turkish FIRST BLOOD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGhPueXjrGQ

Lets see any of those schmucks who made the Youtube video make anything as fun as this!
 
Kinyou said:
Hey, at least it's not nine hours long like the usual 9/11 conspiracy documentaries.

And their facts seem to be very well checked:
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So the most important question stemming from this video has yet been asked:

WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIND THESE RESTAURANTS
 
Ahoi-Brause said:
Yes, but this goes deeper.
Peer pressure plays a large part in the psyche of young adults. And the media plays their part to create trends for young people to follow.
The media dictates the dresscode and behaviour in our world like religion does it in their world.
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To a degree, but if the media were the end all as it is with religion then every girl would wear a miniskirt and every pretty woman would pose nude. That's not the case. Your judgment of the west just seems to fall flat. While the west does have its flaws it's really not even worth comparing.


Well considering for women living in muslim countries it's already a huge milestone to be allowed to play soccer in the first place I think they were treated quite unfair
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Who cares about their shitty circumstances? If they can't follow the rules they don't get to play. Should the N.Korean team get spotted a couple of points because they are starving?


In pre-war iraq and in libya women were free to go out without a headscarf.
But that's not even the point. I can see how it is unfair to force a woman to wear a hijab if she doesn't want, but some of them wear them because they want to wear them. It's cultural differences and I don't see the point in trying to force them to adapt to western ways. You wouldn't ban a jew from wearing a kippa, would you?
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As I said, the Jordanian women wear a head cover. The one the Iranians were wearing was not legal. They didn't want to comply with the rules so they got disqualified.

The same thing with playboy. For some muslims the german soccer team are basically whores, while we point fingers at them for having a culture were the hijab is mandatory.

Also I personally think having the german woman soccer team naked in playboy did damage their cause, because they will be reduced to tits and ass again.
It's not that I cared about their cause in the first place so I got no problem with it from that point of view. I just think if the german soccer team is allowed to strip naked for the readers of playboy the iranian team should be allowed to wear their hijabs.
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One has nothing to do with the other.

It's our culture to applaud at women getting exploited sexually and having them think they are liberated and it's their culture to have their women dress modestly and have them think they are protected from sexual agression that way.
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It's the difference between going to a strip club and having a wife that's a stripper. Our culture recognizes there are women willing to do these things and we thank God everyday for those terrible fathers out there that lead them down that path. That doesn't mean they are respected or held as some sort of ideal for female behaviour.
 
ggnoobIGN said:
So the most important question stemming from this video has yet been asked:

WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIND THESE RESTAURANTS
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In southport.

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But that was more of a thing for advertising.
I'm pretty sure you might find a hooker that will let you eat steak of her tits if you pay her enough though.

Dali said:
To a degree, but if the media were the end all as it is with religion then every girl would wear a miniskirt and every pretty woman would pose nude. That's not the case. Your judgment of the west just seems to fall flat. While the west does have its flaws it's really not even worth comparing.
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I'm not judging, I'm just saying how I see things. You might not share that view, but I find it very refreshing to see both sides of a coin instead of just pointing fingers at the muslim world.
What do I care about their problems when I see our problems when I leave the house and interact with the society we live in?
 
ZealousD said:
That wouldn't help. Like I was saying, Muslim women don't go out in public, and so there are fewer opportunities to rape. Muslim women would be less likely to report a rape to the authorities. Rape stats in favor of Islam would do nothing to support the argument that the hijab prevents rape.
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Considering that women can be punished for claiming rape.. I'd say that is another factor in why the stats might be lower.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Ask and ye shall receive:

CELLAT (Turkish Death Wish) which you can get on a LEGIT Special Edition Eng Subbed DVD from Onar Films
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q55yd7-LGJU NSFW NSFW

Olum Savascisi (Death Warrior)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzaWJTOlca4

Vahsi Kan (Turkish FIRST BLOOD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGhPueXjrGQ

Lets see any of those schmucks who made the Youtube video make anything as fun as this!
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Turkish Star Wars is the best Star Wars.
 
ggnoobIGN said:
So the most important question stemming from this video has yet been asked:

WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIND THESE RESTAURANTS
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I'm pretty sure quite a few strip clubs here in NY will let you eat sushi of the strippers. Sounds quite unappetizing to me.
 
Oh god I love being an infidel. Perhaps if these people had discovered the joys of sin, they wouldn't be so fucking miserable.

Now, to find somewhere to eat off a naked blonde....


LyleLanley said:
I'm pretty sure quite a few strip clubs here in NY will let you eat sushi of the strippers. Sounds quite unappetizing to me.
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That wasn't sushi ;)
 
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