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Hispanic groups call for destruction of Schwarzenegger's movies
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Tommie Hu$tle
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retarded.
ManDudeChild
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That's total BS. Why should ILLEGAL immigrants gain the same rights as your legal citizens?
SlickWilly223
Time ta STEP IT UP
xsarien said:
They shouldn't be though. America is way too kind on such issues. If you're an illegal in America, and you have a kid here in America, that shouldn't give you a free a ticket as a citizen... even though it does, if I'm not mistaken.
Badabing said:
Ireland stopped the automatic citizenship for babies because of "citizenship tourism", that needs to be done here.
ManaByte
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You have no idea how retarded these people are. They have them on the radio all the time in San Diego. They ask the psycho bitch who is their spokesperson why they should be allowed to have the rights they want event though they are breaking the law and she's always like "That's beside the point". The radio host is always like "But these people are breaking the law and are in the country illegally", and she throws a fit and starts crying "Think of the children!"
A couple months ago they were pissed that border control was doing sweeps in eastern LA for Illegals and they were throwing a fit that they were being thrown into trucks and dumped off on the other side of the border.
What's worse, in San Diego, the illegals go into hospitals and tell them that they crossed the border for better medical care and they get full medical care for FREE, while legal citizens sit in the waiting room of the emergency room bleeding to death. No lie, this actually happened in San Diego earlier this year.
Edit: Oh this is even better. There are groups of people in San Diego who go down to the border and enforce the border on their own because Border Control is so overworked and understaffed. When they do this, the Illegal Rights groups go up in arms and demand these people be arrested for preventing illegals from sneaking into the country.
A couple months ago they were pissed that border control was doing sweeps in eastern LA for Illegals and they were throwing a fit that they were being thrown into trucks and dumped off on the other side of the border.
What's worse, in San Diego, the illegals go into hospitals and tell them that they crossed the border for better medical care and they get full medical care for FREE, while legal citizens sit in the waiting room of the emergency room bleeding to death. No lie, this actually happened in San Diego earlier this year.
Edit: Oh this is even better. There are groups of people in San Diego who go down to the border and enforce the border on their own because Border Control is so overworked and understaffed. When they do this, the Illegal Rights groups go up in arms and demand these people be arrested for preventing illegals from sneaking into the country.
Die Squirrel Die
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Surely if there illegal immigrants whether they are driving legally or not is a moot point.
ManaByte said:
Because taking the law into your own hands is illegal in and of itself in this country, regardless of your motivations.
For example:
You know someone is a drug dealer? Fine, go tell the cops. If you decide to introduce him to your two friends, Smith and Wesson, you'll be in for a world of hurt yourself.
ManaByte
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xsarien said:
When people are losing jobs in Southern California because they would rather pay an illegal 25 cents an hour, people see there's a problem.
Anyone who supports the illegals being in the country and taking jobs is an idiot who should be deported with them...and maybe shot.
Error Macro
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I can't go to Mexico and get a driver's license. I can't go there and buy land, vote in elections (ha!), or even work there. So why the fuck do all of their citizens get to flood over here and have more benefits than actual, legal citizens? This shit is so fucking out of control.
more benefits? Give me a break.
"Give me your poor, your.." ah, I guess that's worthless anyways.
Why are there so many illegals? Cause they provide the foundation of the lowest labor in the US, and no one in power, or with money, REALLY wants them deported.
"Give me your poor, your.." ah, I guess that's worthless anyways.
Why are there so many illegals? Cause they provide the foundation of the lowest labor in the US, and no one in power, or with money, REALLY wants them deported.
fennec fox
ferrets ferrets ferrets ferrets FERRETS!!!
For the sake of debate, look at the issue from the other side.
There are "as many as" two million illegal immigrants in California that could have gotten a driver's license if the governor signed the bill. That's over five percent of CA's population. Imagine! Those millions of illegal immigrants are driving without insurance, or driver's education, or perhaps even a firm grasp on the English language. If you ever get in an accident with one, then it'll be you that will take the expenses, no matter who was at fault. In fact, if his car's still running, he may just take off from the scene since it's easier for him that way.
It'd be nice if there weren't such a large amount of illegal immigrants in CA, but they're there, and you can't just get rid of them -- it'd be unpopular among many voters, CA doesn't have the budget for it, they contribute to the economy, and besides, they don't wanna leave. If you have to live with them, then, then why not at least ensure they have car insurance and know how to drive correctly? In fact, this law would have required stricter background checks for illegals, which meant that illegals would have to pay more for their registrations than you or I.
California used to let illegals get licenses for just this reason, and around 10 other states still do, but CA banned the practice in 1993 as part of a set of anti-illegal laws that led all the way up to denying illegals access to any public service whatsoever (which was eventually repealed).
The governor vetoed this bill because he felt it would have made it easier for terrorists to get driver's licenses, but so what? If a terrorist hits me, I'll still want him to pay for my new bumper.
(Of course, there is just no pleasing some people -- this law would have put a special mark on illegals' licenses to denote that they are illegal, and some were against that as discriminatory. Cut me a break.)
I should note that I am very much against illegal immigration and would like to see the Border Patrol get more funding, etc. But we have to think practically here.
There are "as many as" two million illegal immigrants in California that could have gotten a driver's license if the governor signed the bill. That's over five percent of CA's population. Imagine! Those millions of illegal immigrants are driving without insurance, or driver's education, or perhaps even a firm grasp on the English language. If you ever get in an accident with one, then it'll be you that will take the expenses, no matter who was at fault. In fact, if his car's still running, he may just take off from the scene since it's easier for him that way.
It'd be nice if there weren't such a large amount of illegal immigrants in CA, but they're there, and you can't just get rid of them -- it'd be unpopular among many voters, CA doesn't have the budget for it, they contribute to the economy, and besides, they don't wanna leave. If you have to live with them, then, then why not at least ensure they have car insurance and know how to drive correctly? In fact, this law would have required stricter background checks for illegals, which meant that illegals would have to pay more for their registrations than you or I.
California used to let illegals get licenses for just this reason, and around 10 other states still do, but CA banned the practice in 1993 as part of a set of anti-illegal laws that led all the way up to denying illegals access to any public service whatsoever (which was eventually repealed).
The governor vetoed this bill because he felt it would have made it easier for terrorists to get driver's licenses, but so what? If a terrorist hits me, I'll still want him to pay for my new bumper.
(Of course, there is just no pleasing some people -- this law would have put a special mark on illegals' licenses to denote that they are illegal, and some were against that as discriminatory. Cut me a break.)
I should note that I am very much against illegal immigration and would like to see the Border Patrol get more funding, etc. But we have to think practically here.
That "goatse" issue of time had as its cover story a very good article about America's southern border. There's a particularly sad story about a hospital that is on the verge of closing because it is forced by US federal law to take care of the stream of illegals that come in. They can't provide care for their community anymore.
Outdoor Miner
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levious said:
Exactly. As if it's somehow their fault for wanting to come to a country that's forever advertised itself as a land of freedom and oppportunity.
Let's also blame them for taking low-paying jobs (the only ones available to them) and forget about the employers/corporations offering said jobs.
Some people are just so fucking ignorant. Must be nice to see the world so black and white.
Having said that, I think the above Hispanics are idiots for even trying to fight this. Illegal means illegal, there's just no way around it.
Thats why my family came here, but we did it along with millions of others by legal means as it should be. There is also the mess that is Mexico encourage the illegal immigration to prop up their economy. But thats a whole other matter.
I'm all for punishing the employers.
No, its the simple fact that illegal aliens should not get the same privs as legal residents and citizens. They should be grateful they are not deported instead of demanding stuff they do not deserve.
Outdoor Miner
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Ripclawe said:
And I totally agree with that point. My comments were more in response to the "deport them and anyone supporting should be shot" type of responses.
My family came to this land looking for that same opportunity. They both did it by legal means, and I'm forever grateful for that decision they made.
fennec fox
ferrets ferrets ferrets ferrets FERRETS!!!
Well, security was the "official" reason, anyway, but I would bet he was against the idea but didn't want to anger the segment of the population that worries about such things.Pellham said:
Gray Davis was anti-immigrant for pretty much his entire term until the recall started to gather steam; he then flip-flopped harder than any presidential candidate ever did.
Lil' Dice said:
ahem, where to begin..
first off, whatever kind of biggoted, racist statement you feel in your small heart is one matter, but to bring it to this forum is another
i've come to know this forum as a place where people with widely disparate views can express them and intelligently discuss them, whichever side of the fence they belong
so why don't you go find yourself a nice little hate channel on irc and have a nice bonfire with the rest of the small-minded scum, you PUNK!!
Ninja Scooter
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Lil' Dice said:
why don't you chill out with that crap and try not to be a blatantly racist piece of shit?
They shouldn't be here, but they are, and we need to deal with the situation as such. There are several reasons people would want them to be licensed to drive. Was the plan well thought out? no certainly not. But that doesnt' mean all illegal immigrants should be shot deported etc.
You don't stop illegal immigration by deportation, you stop it, or rather bring it to a dull crawl when the sister nation reaches a sort of parity with you, and we sure as fuck are not going to help that happen anytime soon, so we need to address the problem in some sort of rational capacity.
You don't stop illegal immigration by deportation, you stop it, or rather bring it to a dull crawl when the sister nation reaches a sort of parity with you, and we sure as fuck are not going to help that happen anytime soon, so we need to address the problem in some sort of rational capacity.
fennec fox
ferrets ferrets ferrets ferrets FERRETS!!!
To bring the issue down to a state level, what would be worse for California at this point -- the cost of having all these illegals, or the economic penalty that'd come from losing over five percent of your population?
You don't have to be sorry for feeling that way. It is certainly a valid opinion, but one that I just don't think is reflected by the reality and complexity of the situation. And thus I disagree.DarienA said:
Edit: With the deportation thing, not the license thing. Which wasn't quite fully baked.
Crag Dweller
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Even if this did pass, couldn't someone from INS pick them up when the went to the dmv to get their licenses?
Error Macro
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levious said:
Yeah, guy. Check it out: It is easier to get social security disability if you are an illegal alien. My dad, who was poisoned by radiation from goverment tests (Hanford, WA, government secretly released toxic levels of radiation into the air to study the effects), could not get disability for all the health problems he has as a result, even after years of trying. Yet, thousands of illegals seem to be able to get it every single week.
impirius said:
"A hospital"? There have been several hospitals that have had to close up shop completely due to this very issue, and many more have shuttered their ER's (the biggest money-loser in every hospital) because they just can't afford to provide free care to droves and droves of illegals-- they're not recouping those costs anywhere else, as is; recently, California's legislature has proposed a small tax on land-line phones in order to cover the costs incurred specifically by the state's medical establishments as a result of illegal aliens.
A recent CIS (Center for Immigration Studies) report, seen here, concluded that illegal immigrants cost the US roughly $10 billion per year, even when taking into account (generously) all the "good" that they do, such as providing cheap labor etc. (I'm all for stringing up the people and corporations dishing out these pitiful wages too, btw; all too often in these sorts of debates, people say that illegals take the jobs no American would-- they never ask precisely why most Americans wouldn't. That blame should be placed squarely at the feet of these companies, as it has to do with wages and benefits; beyond that, unemployed welfare recipients, should they be able-bodied, should be mandated to fill these sorts of jobs for reasonable pay, but I digress).
Also, amnesty is not the answer-- at least not financially. From that same study:
Also...
No offense, but what the hell does the "image" we portray as a nation (justified or not) have to do with anything? You're insinuating that it's not their fault that they broke the law to come here, and that's jut broken logic. It's called "personal responsibility".
Scola:
Why is deportation not an option, outside of supposed "financial constraints" (i.e., the cost of seeking out and deporting the illegals)? Funnily enough, the government seems to always find money when it feels that the cause is important enough; next to corporate malfeasance (including offshoring as well as dubious accounting praxis), health care, and the overly litigious nature of our society, I feel that illegal immigration is THE single biggest domestic issue that needs to be resolved. The costs might be huge up front (deportation + policing the border), but judging by the $10B+ every year that we shell out, I think we'd recoup those costs in under 5 years.
It's not even that they merely don't have the money for deportation-- what kills me is that everyone from hospitals, to employers, to social service bureaucrats who administer them government services are NOT PERMITTED BY LAW to inquire as to an immigrant's legal status, and, in cases where their illegal status is already known, they are PROHIBITED from notifying the authorities by way of a specious chain of logic that somehow ended up with the force of law behind it. Completely irrational.
Illegal aliens are a disproportionate drain on resources in all sectors-- from health care, to public assistance, to public schooling (see: cost of bilinguil ed, which illegals in places like Cali largely perpetuate and avail themselves of disproportionately); as noted in the study cited above, even taking into account the "money" they put back into the economy (either by working low-paying jobs or through circulating money via spending), they cost US taxpayers over $10B per year. That's indefensible on any level.
No; see my above comment about the outrageous handcuffs that this nation's government (and state and local governments as well) have put on people who would try to do the right thing-- which is to deport those who are here illegally. Look, it's either that, or put them in prison, else we have the word "illegal" in the language for absolutely no reason whatsoever since it will no longer signify anything.
Meier said:
Look at this way, there are thousands of them already driving on the LA roads and if one them hits your car you are practically fucked up because the illegal driver cannot be identified and he does not have insurance. If you are not going to deport them at least have a mechanism to identify and make them liable, some ideas that have been brought up was to give them drivers licences that have a marker. This idea is opposed by many but shit at least do something about it. Lets face it, these people are not going anywhere so you might as well do something.
At this point i am really starting to get ticked off by Anorld, most of the who voted for him were Hispanic and he now turning on them. Second he has voted so many bills that would relived the ever increasing education expenses(i am in colllege at CSUN).
videogamer
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vangace said:
Northridge? My ex's brother went there!
Giving illegals driver's licenses is not going to do anything for the average citizen who gets into a car accident with them. The overwhelming majority is still not going to have insurance regardless, because it costs money, while a license is essentially free except for the DMV pressing fee (like $8).
Also, most insurance policies have a "uninsured drivers" clause in which they cover you if you are hit by someone without insurance anyway. So there goes that argument.
Also, most insurance policies have a "uninsured drivers" clause in which they cover you if you are hit by someone without insurance anyway. So there goes that argument.
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