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'Hitler' shop upsets Jewish community, others in Ahmedabad

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Still reeeeeaaaaaallly hard to buy. Like if you know nothing about Indian history you at least recognize the name Ghandi, right? Seems the opposite would at least be true. Like blah blah blah British Raj blah blah blah some guy named Hitler and a war involving all the powers of the world and a bunch of Jews killed something something something. Like at least some sort of passing knowledge would have been imparted. Just a really hard thing to buy but I guess it's possible.

The studies in India is also very hard...I doubt high school students care about history at all. They are too busy learning math and science etc.
 

Wazzim

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Hitler is actually seen as a positive figure in Indie by lots of people. I read an article about this maybe a year back, and it was pretty interesting. Apparently people have heard that he was a great organizer who lifted his country out of depression, built autobahns, etc.
Oh come on, we have Google now.

The owner is obviously lying.
 

Ban Puncher

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Where all dapper madmen shop.
 

TheDanger

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Hitler is actually seen as a positive figure in Indie by lots of people. I read an article about this maybe a year back, and it was pretty interesting. Apparently people have heard that he was a great organizer who lifted his country out of depression, built autobahns, etc.

He did those things, but that doesn't make up for any of the bad stuff.
 

Carcetti

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He did those things, but that doesn't make up for any of the bad stuff.

Yeah, the point of the article was that people either haven't heard of the bad stuff or they're kind of ignoring it.

I guess the owner of the story actually is a Hitler fan and is only now saying that they've just heard of it due to media attention.


Oh come on, we have Google now.

The owner is obviously lying.

People can be pretty selective in seeing the 'truth'. See any GAF thread on USA politics.
 

marrec

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Hitler was a nickname given to my business partner Manish Chandani's grandfather because of his strict nature.

How strict do you have to be to have someone give you that 'nickname'?
 
I think specific years are much more difficult to commit to memory than general facts (and arguably less useful). Comparing the year the Civil War occurred to the notoriety of one of the most notorious, if not the most notorious, dictator in modern history is a false equivalency.

Not exactly. The tread I'm thinking of had people missing the time frame of the Civil War by decades, even centuries, in the US, concerning their own country. Not saying this is what happened here, of course, just that it doesn't seem completely out of the realm of plausibility.
 

Carcetti

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Really, Hitler fandom in india is pretty well reported, for example found this bbc article with a 5 second googling.

Prayag Thakkar, a 19-year-old student in Gujarat state, is one of them: "I have idolised Hitler ever since I have had a sense of history. I admire his leadership qualities and his discipline."
The Holocaust was bad, he says, but that is not his concern. "He mesmerised the whole nation with his leadership and iron discipline. India needs his discipline."

Dimple Kumari, a research associate in Pune, has not read Mein Kampf but she would wear the Hitler T-shirt out of admiration for him. She calls him "a legend" and tries to put her admiration for him in perspective: "The killing of Jews was not good, but everybody has a positive and negative side."¨

"The youth look for a hero, a patriot, and Hitler was a committed patriot. He is seen as someone who can solve problems. The young people here are faced with a lot of problems."
 

Arcteryx

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I had only heard that Hitler was a strict man. It was only recently that we read about Hitler on the internet.

At first I chuckled because who doesn't know about Hitler...but then I remembered the group of college students I walked passed a couple months back who didn't know what the Cuban Missile crisis was.
 

EVOL 100%

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People in India idolize Hitler?

Why not Otto von Bismarck? The guy did the same things the people there admire him for, but did it better.

Also, he didn't, you know, commit the holocaust. The fuck.
 

Jado

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Not really, Indians are generally kinda oblivious to what was happening in Europe in the mid twentieth century (no joke). There was a whole hell of a lot of stuff going on in South Asia at the same time which really overshadows what was happening in the rest of the world when it comes to school history (Gandhi, riots, the British leaving, Partition etc.). Knowing that Hitler was associated with a diagonal swastika doesn't automatically mean that they knew he was a genocidal war criminal.

Seriously, this. I'm not debating whether what this shop owner did was intentional or not, but it's not some wildly unimaginable thing that someone in another country has never heard of Hitler. Believe it or not, not every country in the world focuses its education so heavily on the historical problems and conflicts of the US and Europe.
 

richiek

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People in India idolize Hitler?

Why not Otto von Bismarck? The guy did the same things the people there admire him for, but did it better.

Also, he didn't, you know, commit the holocaust. The fuck.

Is it Hindus or Muslims who idolize Hitler?
 
Me: Hey honey, I'm gonna go run to over to Hitler's and get some milk. Need anything?

Wife: We need bread?

Me: What kind?

Wife: I don't know, just get the Hitler brand if nothing's on sale.

Me: Alright. Love ya. Bye


Yeah, I can get used to that.
 
Ironically, the surname Hitler was shared amongst many Jews at the time. It's one of the reasons why there was suspicion that the Fuhrer himself had Jewish ancestry.
 
Is it Hindus or Muslims who idolize Hitler?

Going by the BBC article it seems to be mostly the Hindu, but there's a good quote at the end of the article:

Mr Kulkarni says he believes the young are gullible and fail to see the sinister side of Hitler.
"Young people have no sense of history. The book is thick and not easy to understand unless you know the history of Germany," he says.

These young idiots need to watch some good WW2 documentaries.
 
Watching The World at World should be mandatory.

Yes, before watching the documentaries, I was just as ignorant. But once I saw those docs in my Grade 10 history class, I was just shocked!

After that, a friend and I used to go to our school library everyday during lunch and watch WWII documentaries. Good times.
 

Dali

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Seriously, this. I'm not debating whether what this shop owner did was intentional or not, but it's not some wildly unimaginable thing that someone in another country has never heard of Hitler. Believe it or not, not every country in the world focuses its education so heavily on the historical problems and conflicts of the US and Europe.

I don't know if you know this, but WW2 was kinda a big deal.

And it's ok to have an education system that focuses on math and science, but Hitler isn't some obscure ruler of some small province of a tucked-away, unknown, nation. Once again I'm not saying it's impossible especially if he's an older guy with an education from a time when globalization wasn't gaining so much traction. Just saying, yes it is difficult to grasp. If modern Indian school systems focus on math and science without giving students a basic knowledge of modern history then I'd call that tunnel vision.
 

Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
Well all I know is that the owner has probably saved in a million dollars worth of advertisement by now ...
 

TheSeks

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"It was only recently that we read about Hitler on the internet."

This fucking generation.

LMAO. Who the hell hasn't heard about WW2 and Hitler? It's all the History Channel
and History classes
talks about (outside of Aliens, anyway)!
 

Alx

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Hitler is actually seen as a positive figure in Indie by lots of people. I read an article about this maybe a year back, and it was pretty interesting. Apparently people have heard that he was a great organizer who lifted his country out of depression, built autobahns, etc.

I don't know if the quote is legit, but I've seen it frequently on the web, in many "did you know ?" articles :

"I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed."

- Gandhi
 

Dali

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I don't know if the quote is legit, but I've seen it frequently on the web, in many "did you know ?" articles :

It's possible. Wiki says it was written at a time knowledge of the genocide of the Jews was not widely known so the concentration camps was the extent of the mistreatment of the Jews he may have been aware of. And Ghandi wasn't necessarily all about the civil rights so... yeah definitely possible.
 

double jump

you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
as ignorant as it maybe to say Hitler is an extremely cool sounding name and so is Adolf for that matter.
 

TheContact

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That's a really ridiculous reason to be upset.

When you were young, your neighbors, murder your mom,dad,siblings, grandparents etc...
They get away with it for a while, but eventually go to jail, get punished, some time passes but you still never forget what happened. Then, when you're older, someone opens a shop near your house with the same name of the people who murdered your family, and even throws in the symbol that went with it too for kicks.

That wouldn't piss you off? Are you even human?
 

Parallacs

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It does seem to be a unique situation. There were many many people with the surname of Hitler. What has happened to them? Have they all changed it?

Also, Adolf is one of the most common given names in German and is still used to this day.

I just wonder why Adolf Hitler's name has demonized the surname and not the given name. Regardless, over time history will give up, and the name will slowly re-appear.

Examples (not saying these were as bad as Hitler):
Genghis Grill
Alexander the Grape
Xerxes Books
Caesar Salad
Nero Burning Rom
Custard's First Stand (icecream)
Leninaide
 

Combichristoffersen

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It does seem to be a unique situation. There were many many people with the surname of Hitler. What has happened to them? Have they all changed it?

Also, Adolf is one of the most common given names in German and is still used to this day.

I just wonder why Adolf Hitler's name has demonized the surname and not the given name. Regardless, over time history will give up, and the name will slowly re-appear.

Examples (not saying these were as bad as Hitler):
Genghis Grill
Alexander the Grape
Xerxes Books
Caesar Salad
Nero Burning Rom
Custard's First Stand (icecream)
Leninaide

I wouldn't say it was strictly demonized, but the name Adolf was fairly common here in Norway prior to WWII. Post-WWII it fell out of favour, and is rare nowadays. Not as rare as Vidkun though :lol
 

Joni

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I just wonder why Adolf Hitler's name has demonized the surname and not the given name. Regardless, over time history will give up, and the name will slowly re-appear.

Probably because Hitler might imply you're related to Adolf. Having Adolf as a first name says nothing.
 
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