Hotmail Push email is now live!

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Talon- said:
People still use Hotmail for personal use?
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hell no. I'd guess that 75% of those billions of emails sent to hotmail accounts today are junk and spam.

I get heavy amounts of mail at that account and it's all junk. I open it up once a season. would never go back.
 
Talon- said:
There are Solutions.
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I access my Hotmail account through either my iPhone or my desktop, which uses the Windows Live Mail client. I suppose I could better understand the disdain for Hotmail and love of GMail if I was forced to use the web clients.

demon said:
what's the likelihood you had johnsmith@hotmail.com in the first place?
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In my case, the odds is probable, yo.

Talon- said:
I have:
[first name].[last name]@hotmail.com and [first name].[middle initial].[last name]@gmail.com
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Good idea... I finally added a GMail account using [first name].[middle initial].[last name]@gmail.com. Still, I don't go by my first name so it's not as appealing as my hotmail address.

Maybe GMail carries some significance with the IT crowd, but we're all lawyers, engineers, teachers, nurses, realtors, etc. Our personal e-mail addresses are all over the map - AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail, GMail. No one gives a shit.
 
Hotmail is the service I use when I need to make a new disposable address and feel bad about doing that with Yahoo.


scorcho said:
The interface and feature-set has improved substantially the last few years to make it roughly on par with GMail.
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I hope you don't mean the Hotmail web interface, because last time I used it, it was pretty terrible and nowhere near as good as Gmail.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Every new Hotmail feature is just something Gmail already did years earlier. It's playing catch-up.
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Do you really think it would matter if Hotmail was completely fucking awesome? The Facebook/Office/MSN/Calendering/Flickr integration is spectacular but people hate MS so they hate everything they do.

Stick around long enough and It will happen to Apple and Google.
 
TomServo said:
I access my Hotmail account through either my iPhone or my desktop, which uses the Windows Live Mail client. I suppose I could better understand the disdain for Hotmail and love of GMail if I was forced to use the web clients.
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I use my phone as well, but I quit using my desktop client earlier this year because the web implementation of Gmail exceeded it in usability (both Outlook and Mail).

And I wouldn't say it's in the IT crowd at all. My university shifted everything onto Gmail a few years ago. I have colleagues whose work has shifted onto Gmail as well.
 
scorcho said:
The interface and feature-set has improved substantially the last few years to make it roughly on par with GMail.
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LM4sure said:
I use hotmail because I've had it for 15+ years and it would be a pain in the ass to change my primary email address to gmail. I still use gmail frequently but that's typically my spam email
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Double this. I had my hotmail account tied to so many things before Gmail was even a word. I am actually now in the process of finally killing off my Hotmail and rolling 100% to Gmail and it has been a huge pain in the ass, even with all of the importing and forwarding tools. I must have 75+ god damn websites where my log in is my hotmail email, all of which I need to change.

It is a shame because the latest Hotmail is actually pretty damn nice, and now push. I am anticipating a switch to an Android phone soon so I want to be fully in the Gmail world before doing that.

Hotmail hating is arbitrary at this point.
 
shidoshi said:
Hotmail is the service I use when I need to make a new disposable address and feel bad about doing that with Yahoo.

I hope you don't mean the Hotmail web interface, because last time I used it, it was pretty terrible and nowhere near as good as Gmail.
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I use both Gmail and Hotmail. Hotmail pushed out an updated interface a week or so ago that makes it feel pretty similar to Gmail in terms of ease of usability (looks different though). I think the recent Hotmail update puts it over Gmail...would be as if Facebook, Google Docs, Google Picaso, Google Talk, and 25 GB of free storage were all integrated into the Gmail interface. Of course, if you don't use any of that kind of stuff then the simplicity of Gmail is adequate.
 
Paco said:
...and 25 GB of free storage were all integrated into the Gmail interface...
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I do like the fact that you can map your SkyDrive space as a network drive in Vista / Win7 for drag-and-drop from a PC, then access it remotely through Windows Live.

Dropbox does the same thing, but not with 25GB of space.
 
bionic77 said:
People still use Hotmail?
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Not only do I use Hotmail, I pay $20 a year for Windows Live Mail Plus.

Why? It's actually not that bad, I don't get SPAM and my internet accounts going back ten years are associated with it.
 
Good for hotmail users, I guess. Went to Gmail and never thought about going back. Integration now within Gmail for Google Voice, chat, and video chat just sweetens the deal.
 
Paco said:
I use both Gmail and Hotmail. Hotmail pushed out an updated interface a week or so ago that makes it feel pretty similar to Gmail in terms of ease of usability (looks different though). I think the recent Hotmail update puts it over Gmail...would be as if Facebook, Google Docs, Google Picaso, Google Talk, and 25 GB of free storage were all integrated into the Gmail interface. Of course, if you don't use any of that kind of stuff then the simplicity of Gmail is adequate.
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I'm checking out the "new" Hotmail interface now, and while I don't really see much to get excited about, I'll also be fair and admit I don't use Hotmail enough to appreciate the differences. I do like this thing that seems to auto-recognize email with tracking numbers, though! But then I see there don't seem to be labels, only folders, which is a big step down to me.

Maybe it's just one of those things where you appreciate Hotmail more if you use more than one Microsoft service. I use pretty much nothing from them, so any integration in that regard is lost on me.
 
I only stopped using hotmail because websites purposely blocked the email for registration or made it much more difficult. I still use my yahoo email (well its through Pacbell/AT&T which was transferred to yahoo) as well as have a gmail. You can have more than one!

Gmail mostly for school/friends/youtube while yahoo for family/everything else. I been on this yahoo account for so long I dont want to can it.
 
scorcho said:
The interface and feature-set has improved substantially the last few years to make it roughly on par with GMail.
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The fact that they are just now getting push email in August 2010 kind of says otherwise...

Hotmail was my first email but I ditched them for Yahoo! when the lack of any spam filter (this was still the 90s) and the fact that I was still on 56k made it too painful to use. Good to hear that they have finally caught up to the competition.
 
X26 said:
you don't need a hotmail account to use msn messenger
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Don't you need some sort of Windows Live account? I mean, if you already have some sort of Live account, doesn't that mean that you already have a hotmail account, even if you don't use it?
 
zoku88 said:
Don't you need some sort of Windows Live account? I mean, if you already have some sort of Live account, doesn't that mean that you already have a hotmail account, even if you don't use it?
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My understanding is that you can get a windows live account with any email address including a gmail address.
 
bionic77 said:
People still use Hotmail?
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It's the only one I use (as I've had the same account for.. 7-8 years or something). I've got a Gmail account too, but it's used only for spam and shit I don't care about.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
It's the only one I use (as I've had the same account for.. 7-8 years or something). I've got a Gmail account too, but it's used only for spam and shit I don't care about.
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So you've never had a use for imap? No outlook, thunderbird, or smartphone for you? Or do you LIKE having to delete shit emails twice or three times.
 
bionic77 said:
The fact that they are just now getting push email in August 2010 kind of says otherwise...
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They've had push email for ages, just not on the clients you wanted.
They don't offer direct IMAP access to free users.

My 4 year old Samsung Blackjack running WinMo 5 had push for my Hotmail account.
It required a little plugin, but it still showed up in my email program along with my generic IMAP accounts. Wasn't worth the battery-life, though. Push email never is. Urgent shit goes through SMS.
 
VanMardigan said:
So you've never had a use for imap? No outlook, thunderbird, or smartphone for you? Or do you LIKE having to delete shit emails twice or three times.
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I never bothered with Outlook (however I do use Windows Live Mail), never used thunderbird, never used imap and do have an Android phone, but rarely use it for checking my mail anyway.
 
Mudkips said:
They've had push email for ages, just not on the clients you wanted.
They don't offer direct IMAP access to free users.

My 4 year old Samsung Blackjack running WinMo 5 had push for my Hotmail account.
It required a little plugin, but it still showed up in my email program along with my generic IMAP accounts. Wasn't worth the battery-life, though. Push email never is. Urgent shit goes through SMS.
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So they failed to have a feature that all of their competitors offered? That is pretty much Hotmail's MO and why people are ridiculing them.

I also gotta disagree with push killing battery life. That used to be the case on my Nokia E61 but every phone since then it hasn't been that bad and on my current phone it doesn't make a difference at all that I can detect.
 
For those who register Hotmail accounts for spam: Per Kevin Rose: "If you're giving your address to a potentially shady website, tack on +spam to the end, example: yourname+spam@gmail.com. You can then filter those emails into a spam folder you check periodically. (ProTip: the +spam is a variable that can be anything you want, eg. yourname+football@gmail.com etc., make as many as you like)"

LM4sure said:
I use hotmail because I've had it for 15+ years and it would be a pain in the ass to change my primary email address to gmail. I still use gmail frequently but that's typically my spam email
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It's actually not that hard.

Gmail -> Settings -> Import

Imports all mail and contacts just fine and bounces any mail from the Hotmail account right to the Gmail one for 30 days. After that you can set it up to POP3 forward.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
I never bothered with Outlook (however I do use Windows Live Mail), never used thunderbird, never used imap and do have an Android phone, but rarely use it for checking my mail anyway.
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So you only ever do browser email, I guess that would explain some of it, although gmail is still so much faster, even on browser email. I just did a quick test, gmail took me to my inbox in 8 seconds, hotmail took me to a shitty start page in 25, where I have to click on "inbox" to see my unread messages.....which I already checked on my phone days ago.

The experiences simply are not comparable, gmail is far superior. Maybe email is just more useful to me, or I put a greater emphasis on how quickly I can perform the tasks that I need to do, and how many tools I can use to perform those tasks.
 
Back in high school my friend went to check her hotmail account one day and found that due to inactivity it was shut down meditate on that for a while....
 
Paco said:
Not sure why people knock it, it's at least on par with Gmail with their latest update.
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Can I call people for free in Hotmail? No? Then no, it's not on par.

Priority Inbox (and Buzz to a lesser extent) widen the gap even more IMO.
 
Alphahawk said:
Back in high school my friend went to check her hotmail account one day and found that due to inactivity it was shut down meditate on that for a while....
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This was why I switched many, many years ago.

It's not just locked. Shit was completely wiped, like no one had ever sent an e-mail to me before. I guess they stopped doing this sometime last year or expanded the inactive time allowed, but who could trust an e-mail provider like that?
 
VanMardigan said:
So you only ever do browser email, I guess that would explain some of it, although gmail is still so much faster, even on browser email. I just did a quick test, gmail took me to my inbox in 8 seconds, hotmail took me to a shitty start page in 25, where I have to click on "inbox" to see my unread messages.....which I already checked on my phone days ago.

The experiences simply are not comparable, gmail is far superior. Maybe email is just more useful to me, or I put a greater emphasis on how quickly I can perform the tasks that I need to do, and how many tools I can use to perform those tasks.
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The home page/inbox is a setting you can choose.... in the options.

Also both hotmail and gmail load in about 7 seconds for me.
 
VanMardigan said:
So you only ever do browser email, I guess that would explain some of it, although gmail is still so much faster, even on browser email. I just did a quick test, gmail took me to my inbox in 8 seconds, hotmail took me to a shitty start page in 25, where I have to click on "inbox" to see my unread messages.....which I already checked on my phone days ago.

The experiences simply are not comparable, gmail is far superior. Maybe email is just more useful to me, or I put a greater emphasis on how quickly I can perform the tasks that I need to do, and how many tools I can use to perform those tasks.
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Gmail is overall faster and better, but I just can't be bothered to move ~2000 emails from my hotmail account to my gmail account, much less update my info on all the websites and forums I'm registered at to change my registered email address :lol And no, I don't really use browser email. The Windows Live Mail client is much like Outlook, sort of.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
Gmail is overall faster and better, but I just can't be bothered to move ~2000 emails from my hotmail account to my gmail account, much less update my info on all the websites and forums I'm registered at to change my registered email address :lol And no, I don't really use browser email. The Windows Live Mail client is much like Outlook, sort of.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23087663&postcount=80

Worked flawlessly when I tried it with my dad's Yahoo a couple days ago.

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Combichristoffersen said:
Yeah, but I'll still have to update all forums, websites and webshops I'm using. And I'm too lazy to do that :p
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Nah. You can POP3 forward. (Apparently IMAP is restricted from free users? Really?)

Edit- Although you might have to worry about them deleting your account due to inactivity? (Really MS? Ugh...)
 
Andrex said:
Nah. You can POP3 forward. (Apparently IMAP is restricted from free users? Really?)
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Until Microsoft deletes my account :p Really, it's just more convenient to leave it as it is, even if Gmail is a slightly better alternative.
 
Not only do I use Live Mail (hotmail) but I use the Windows Live Mail application that comes with the Live Essentials and it's pretty brilliant. As for Gmail, mine is inundated with spam, it's pretty ridiculous.
 
Alphahawk said:
Back in high school my friend went to check her hotmail account one day and found that due to inactivity it was shut down meditate on that for a while....
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
This was why I switched many, many years ago.

It's not just locked. Shit was completely wiped, like no one had ever sent an e-mail to me before. I guess they stopped doing this sometime last year or expanded the inactive time allowed, but who could trust an e-mail provider like that?
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Andrex said:
Edit- Although you might have to worry about them deleting your account due to inactivity? (Really MS? Ugh...)
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Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.

Account Inactivity

Google may terminate your account in accordance with the terms of service if you fail to login to your account for a period of nine months.
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Hotmail deactivates your account after 90 days or 6 months (I forget which), but you can email/call them and get shit restored.
Hotmail only deletes your account after a full year of inactivity.
 
They "may" delete your account, but I have never heard of someone's Gmail account deleted due to inactivity, whereas I hear it all the time with Hotmail.
 
Andrex said:
They "may" delete your account, but I have never heard of someone's Gmail account deleted due to inactivity, whereas I hear it all the time with Hotmail.
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And I've never had my long-dormant (5 years+) hotmail accounts deleted, but I have had 3 gmail accounts deleted.

Chichikov said:
270 days.
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I think 270 days (9 months) is something recent (they've changed a ton of shit in the last 2 years), and it doesn't describe the various levels of account inactivity, though they still exist.

Hotmail has 3 levels for inactive accounts:
Can't log in, but still exists, and can get restored to the same email address
Can't log in, still exists, but email address is up for grabs, can get restored / moved to new account
Actually deleted, fucked

I believe Hotmail was at 90 days, 6 months, and a year for each of those levels respectively, last I checked. I think they now list a vague "may terminate after 9 months" now like Google does, but the internal process (and thus your chance of getting shit back) remains unchanged as far as I know.

The bottom line is all you can do is go by what's written in the policy.
Hotmail's policy is on par with Google's when it comes to account inactivity, yet people here are lollin' it up saying "you can have your account DELETED? OMG WTF LOL!".
 
Maybe because more people have Gmail as their main account and Hotmail as their spam one.
 
Andrex said:
Maybe because more people have Gmail as their main account and Hotmail as their spam one.
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Man, it is getting ridiculous now. I get on average 5 spam emails, even from addresses I've blocked. The curious thing is the senders are listed as my contacts and I get duplicates of these spam messages.
 
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