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[sunnysideup]

How can dry wall finishing and painting be two different trades?

How can a painter paint a wall that he has not prepped and then take responsibility for the end result.

In sweden its the same trade. Watching youtube it seems like it is two different trades in the states.

 

[Straight Edge]

How can a painter paint a wall that he has not prepped and then take responsibility for the end result.

Prepped? As in putting on primer? That's basically just painting which anyone can do.

 

[sunnysideup]

no as in putting in the dry wall mud.

 

[AJUMP23]

Because in the states painters just paint, and we have teams of people on stilts that do the drywall taping CA an mudding. There can also be plaster work but that is normal on older houses.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

In the USA we only deal with specialists. Have you never see American TV?

 

[sunnysideup]

In the USA we only deal with specialists. Have you never see American TV?

DERP

 

[BigBooper]

Do your automobile painters all have to know how to mold a car body too? Btw, it's not that way. Locally around me, if you hire someone to put in drywall, most likely they can paint too. In some cities you have to get specialist licenses though and I wouldn't doubt that housepainting could be one of them.

 

[West Texas CEO]

They use primer in the States. That's what it's for.

 

[Marlenus]

Because plastering a wall and painting a wall are very different skills.

Seriously try plastering, even a skim coat, that shit is hard. The mix has to be the right consistency and you have to be fast because if you are not it dries out before you finish the wall and the finish goes to shit.

 

[Nobody_Important]

America is a bit backwards in a variety of ways in case the world hasn't noticed yet.

 

[poppabk]

America is a bit backwards in a variety of ways in case the world hasn't noticed yet.

This isn't one of them though. It's perfectly normal to have people doing specific tasks. Especially in the US where houses tend to be big. Why have ten guys each dry walling and painting their own room in a huge house?

 

[HoodWinked]

There are pros and cons to both approaches. Mudding takes time to dry anyways. And painters will probably pre-sand if there are issues.

It's really all about speed which translates to costs. The US approach is probably more efficient with acceptable quality otherwise it would have the same system. The difference between flawless walls vs well painted walls will probably not matter to anyone.

Also we have the power of Mexicans who are really good at doing one specific thing so that likely also influences the trend to hyper specialization here.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Mudding and taping is one of the hardest trades to really be good at I have been told by home builders. Definitely not an easy trade.

 

[nush]

America is a bit backwards in a variety of ways in case the world hasn't noticed yet.

Imperial measurements, becuse it's too hard for the to learn and easier system.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Mudding and taping is one of the hardest trades to really be good at I have been told by home builders. Definitely not an easy trade.

As someone who has spent the past 15+ years building houses, renovating houses, finishing houses (including painting) it's essentially this. While I don't necessarily think it's one of the "hardest trades" there is certainly a knack to it. It takes time to become proficient with the skill, like anything else really.

The same goes for painting, anyone can paint I guess, but can everyone cut in a razor sharp line against the ceiling? Or roll a wall out properly? That's not even mentioning the other more difficult aspects of painting like staining wood, clear coating etc.

Many drywallers/mudders can paint as well but you typically see that in small jobs or handyman type scenarios. When it comes to anything larger like subdivisions or custom homes it's just not efficient. For a general contractor it's better to get a crew that just does drywall, a crew that just frames, a crew that just does cabinets etc. The quality is much more consistent that way.

If op is confused about painters and drywall being separate trades, wait till he finds out that drywall and mudders are separate trades usually! "Boarders" and "mudders".

 

[AJUMP23]

Imperial measurements, becuse it's too hard for the to learn and easier system.

Miles are just more fun.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Imperial measurements, becuse it's too hard for the to learn and easier system.

It's also hard to learn proper grammar as well.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Imperial measurements, becuse it's too hard for the to learn and easier system.

Europe's first successful mission to the Moon was in 2003.

 

[Rest]

Why would a painter take credit for building a wall? They paint it, it's not their wall.

 

[VN1X]

Europe's first successful mission to the Moon was in 2003.

The first moonlanding was fake though (all subsequent ones as well obviously).

So we all lost on that one I guess.

 

[nush]

Europe's first successful mission to the Moon was in 2003.

Free healthcare.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Free healthcare.

"Free"

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Why would a painter take credit for building a wall? They paint it, it's not their wall.

That's what ends up happening in a reductionist sort of way. Painters are typically one of or the last trades through and they are expected to fix things up and make them presentable by the time they leave. Regardless of whether or not they are capable of fixing a particular issue means little as homeowners will usually pile the blame on the painters as every other trade is long gone by then.

 

[Boss Mog]

America is a bit backwards in a variety of ways in case the world hasn't noticed yet.

As opposed to other countries that are perfect?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Better question - how can dry wall be considered an acceptable 1st world construction method?

 

[sunnysideup]

This not about having different trades or not.

Im not talking about installing drywall. Im talking about finishing it of with mud.

Its seems natural that it is part of the paint job rather than the building job or as a seperate trade, in general. if the mud job is at say 2/5 quality or worse, the paint job cannot be 5/5. The painter cannot fix sub par mudding with paint. Its impossible without redoing the mud.

If the dry wall installation is done wrong you can easily check that with a spirit level or a tape mesure. Things dont fit. Its not straight. And its easy to tell who has done an sub par job.

But if the mudding is subpar its harder to prove who is at fault by looking at the finished wall. Painter or drywall finisher.

I work in construction by the way.

 

[Tschumi]

They're pretty different skillsets, to be fair, but yeah not surprised some people have managed to learn both of them -_-

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

This not about having different trades or not.

Im not talking about installing drywall. Im talking about finishing it of with mud.

Its seems natural that it is part of the paint job rather than the building job or as a seperate trade, in general. if the mud job is at say 2/5 quality or worse, the paint job cannot be 5/5. The painter cannot fix sub par mudding with paint. Its impossible without redoing the mud.

If the dry wall installation is done wrong you can easily check that with a spirit level or a tape mesure. Things dont fit. Its not straight. And its easy to tell who has done an sub par job.

But if the mudding is subpar its harder to prove who is at fault by looking at the finished wall. Painter or drywall finisher.

I work in construction by the way.

And if the framing is a 2/5 then the drywall can't be a 5/5. And if the foundation isn't a 5/5 it's much more work to get the framing to be 5/5. The shit kinda rolls down hill unfortunately. And that's why painters often have to do some minor mudding themselves haha.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Usually two trades in Australia as well. I don't mind it, I'd rather have experts at their trades than a generally skilled labourer.

 

[Areba21]

As someone who has spent the past 15+ building houses, renovating houses, finishing houses (including painting) it's essentially this. While I don't necessarily think it's one of the "hardest trades" there is certainly a knack to it. It takes time to become proficient with the skill, like anything else really.

The same goes for painting, anyone can paint I guess, but can everyone cut in a razor sharp line against the ceiling? Or roll a wall out properly? That's not even mentioning the other more difficult aspects of painting like staining wood, clear coating etc.

Many drywallers/mudders can paint as well but you typically see that in small jobs or handyman type scenarios. When it comes to anything larger like subdivisions or custom homes it's just not efficient. For a general contractor it's better to get a crew that just does drywall, a crew that just frames, a crew that just does cabinets etc. The quality is much more consistent that way.

If op is confused about paint roller for smooth finish and drywall being separate trades, wait till he finds out that drywall and murders are separate trades usually! "Boarders" and "mudders".

Finishing, rather than being heavy, is more fast than heavy. To get through the day, you must have endurance. However, you do require some power as well as flexibility and coordination.

It is Union vs. Non-union. Personal preference. The more important question is whether you want to be paid on an hourly, salary, or contract basis.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Painting and drywall are two separate things. Doing one doesn’t mean you can do the other. You ever see a poor drywall install? It was most likely done by a painter.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

I had three guys redo walls in my flat (mudding /painting ceiling new concrete floor, than hardwood on top , Bath renewed etc) and one guy could do it all. It’s not rocket science.