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How did the Jews get into Europe?

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I was watching my Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 2 DVD set I got for Christmas when the thought came to me. How exactly did the Jews get from Israel to Europe? I've been wondering this for a while now and I'm sure a lot of other people don't know either. So how did it happen? Also, why do a lot of their last names sound Europein "Stein," "Schnider," "*-er," etc. instead of Semetic... if anybody knows the answer that would be great if you could share it. Thanks in advance.
 
Because the European Jews are converts, who weren't always Jewish. The Semites are the original Jews, as far as history and genealogy is concerned.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The Steins and Schniders are German Jews. Converts. It happened from a shit load of mixed breeding. But uhh...Jews have always inhabited Europe, all the way back to Babylonian, Roman, Byzantine days. Tons of them lived in Rome and spread around the Roman empire. Go to school much?
 
Yeah, but why did they have to move BACK to Isreal after WWII? Were a few already there? Was there a mass exodus from the Middle East durring the Byzantine Empire days? Is that why they couldn't maintain an established state? Or were they just "weeded out" of the Middle East durring the Crusades?
 
AlphaSnake said:
The Steins and Schniders are German Jews. Converts. It happened from a shit load of mixed breeding. But uhh...Jews have always inhabited Europe, all the way back to Babylonian, Roman, Byzantine days. Tons of them lived in Rome and spread around the Roman empire. Go to school much?


I don't know what school you went to but, most schools don't spend a lot of time talking about the historical migration patterns of the jews.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The Black Stallion said:
Yeah, but why did they have to move BACK to Isreal after WWII? Were a few already there? Was there a mass exodus from the Middle East durring the Byzantine Empire days? Is that why they couldn't maintain an established state? Or were they just "weeded out" of the Middle East durring the Crusades?

Are you fucking retarded?
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Tommie Hu$tle said:
I don't know what school you went to but, most schools don't spend a lot of time talking about the historical migration patterns of the jews.

Tommie: This is one day of a Western Civilazation course (about 15 minutes was spent on this subject). Hell, we even learned this back in high school.
 
AlphaSnake said:
Tommie: This is one day of a Western Civilazation course (about 15 minutes was spent on this subject). Hell, we even learned this back in high school.

I went to school in the South so we weren't well versed in our Jewery. Jews weren't even mentioned in my History classes until WWII and it was of the nature of the Germans were killing the Jews so we killed the Germans and now the world is better.
 

Socreges

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
I don't know what school you went to but, most schools don't spend a lot of time talking about the historical migration patterns of the jews.
Haha, no kidding. Up until I looked into it myself, I knew as much as:

1) Many were killed in WWII
2) They make wonderful comedians
2) Apparently they are quite cheap
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
I don't know what school you went to but, most schools don't spend a lot of time talking about the historical migration patterns of the jews.
Yeah, the History Channel, History Channel International, and Encarta 2005 doesn't either...

enjoy bell woods said:
Thank you. No need to get all angry AlphaSnake. It's just an honest question that's seeking an equally honest answer. No need for the meanspirited tone.

That being said, any of you know about the link between Igbos and Hebrews/Jews?
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Tommie Hu$tle said:
I went to school in the South so we weren't well versed in our Jewery. Jews weren't even mentioned in my History classes until WWII and it was of the nature of the Germans were killing the Jews so we killed the Germans and now the world is better.

Well, if you ever took a class about early civilizations in college, you'd most definitely have covered it.
 

belgurdo

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AlphaSnake said:
Well, if you ever took a class about early civilizations in college, you'd most definitely have covered it.

I've gone to two schools within five years (and took a semester's worth of religion courses during that time) and I know nothing of the Jews. Sorry that we couldn't be as well versed as you, sir
 

Socreges

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AlphaSnake said:
Go to school much?
AlphaSnake said:
Well, if you ever took a class about early civilizations in college, you'd most definitely have covered it.
I go to school a whole lot, but I've never taken such a class. Granted, I'd like to.

norinrad21 said:
Yeah, that was risky. People could interpret that as 'anti-semitism'.

I was just pointing out what's pervasive in common culture concerning the Jews, as opposed to their history of migration. For the record, I beat up on my friend when he says people are being "Jewish" when cheap.
 
AlphaSnake said:
Well, if you ever took a class about early civilizations in college, you'd most definitely have covered it.


Didn't take any classes in early civilizations in college. I think I took American history and Black American history. I picked up the other stuff thru outside reading I just didn't learn about it in school.


I don't think norinrad21 was being mean I think he was saying that until he did his own research he only knew sterotypes.
 

Lyte Edge

All I got for the Vernal Equinox was this stupid tag
Socreges said:
For the record, I beat up on my friend when he says people are being "Jewish" when cheap.

I always love to jump on people for saying that around me; the look on their faces when I tell them or they realize I'm Jewish is priceless. :lol

I've also heard "Don't Pak me" (as in Pakistanis) for the same thing; this moron customer said that to me at work once and then explained the "joke" when I gave him a weird look. I don't exactly remember what happened after this, but as I recall he then brought up the "Don't Jew Me" line instead with a LAUGH, and I looked at him with daggers in my eyes and coldly told him I was Jewish. I noticed he had some college entrance documents that he left on the counter; I SHOULD have tossed them but I guess I'm just too damn nice for my own good. :p
 

belgurdo

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Lyte Edge said:
I I noticed he had some college entrance documents that he left on the counter; I SHOULD have tossed them but I guess I'm just too damn nice for my own good. :p

Don't worry; those types of guys don't last long...unless they're political science majors >_<
 

AlphaSnake

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
Didn't take any classes in early civilizations in college. I think I took American history and Black American history. I picked up the other stuff thru outside reading I just didn't learn about it in school.


I don't think norinrad21 was being mean I think he was saying that until he did his own research he only knew sterotypes.

Ah. Yeah, it covers a lot of Biblical stuff since the course starts around the creation of the first Civilization and the Hammurabi code. Then you kind of briefly go into things like Noah's Ark, some other parts of the Torah, eventually leading up to Jesus and concluding with The Crusades during the middle-ages. Pretty good course.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Alot of Jews in Europe are converts.. some were Romans that moved. For the most part though, most Middle Eastern Jews converted to Islam during the initial parts of the Arab conquests or to Christianity before that. Though most Christians in the region wound up converting to Islam in the region as well.

As far as moving back to Israel, it began at the turn of the century.. there was a massive Zionist movement with European Jews and with the Balfour declaration by the Brits in WWI it opened the doors to Jews moving to Palestine (which was set up as a nation under British rule at the end of WWI). That trickle continued, and during and after WWII lots of European Jews took off to America and Israel because they were being killed.

Once there they were under Palestinian rule they began making moves to set up their own state. They resulted to terrorists actions, killed alot of Palestinians, then tried to set up a two state system which the Palestinians rejected. The Jews then declared their own government got support from the US and Russia.. the Palestinians then took to arms in response and got their ass kicked. So Egypt, Syria, Lebbenon (well, sorta) and Transjordan then attacked Israel in response to this. They captured the Golan heights (Syria), Gaza (Egypt) and the West Bank of the Jordan River (Transjordan). Jordan then changed its name to Jordan (since they were on both sides of the river). However, the failed to crush the Israels so the Jews got their own state and the Palestinians fled to neighbooring states.

Later the soviets would feed Egypt and Syria bad intel that the Israelis were going to invade, so they built up their arms.. in response to this the Israeli's took the initiative and beat the living shit out of the Egyptians and Syrians and took back Gaza, Golan and the West bank. So now Jordan is stuck with the name Jordan even though their old name Transjordan makes sense again.

The Palestinian Liberation Organization set up shop in Jordan, eventually tried to kill King Husayn (or Jordan) with the help of Syria. Husayn asked the Americans for help, but the Americans couldnt get there in time, so the Israeli air force came to the rescue and saved Jordan... and they were the first state to recognize Isreals right to exist. This also got the PLO and Arafat kicked out of Jordan so they went to Lebbenon. The Israelis had none of that and invaded Lebanon sent the PLO to exile in Tunisa in the 80's. They would return to Israel as part of the Oslo accords in the early 90's.

From there Sadat would reinvade Israel to regain control of the Suez Canal. They couldnt afford the war with Israel so Carter steps in, negotiates peace. Isreal gives the Siani back to Egypt, Egypt recognizes Israel and that brings you up to the 80's.
 

Kuro Madoushi

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StoOgE said:
Alot of Jews in Europe are converts.. some were Romans that moved. For the most part though, most Middle Eastern Jews converted to Islam during the initial parts of the Arab conquests or to Christianity before that. Though most Christians in the region wound up converting to Islam in the region as well.

As far as moving back to Israel, it began at the turn of the century.. there was a massive Zionist movement with European Jews and with the Balfour declaration by the Brits in WWI it opened the doors to Jews moving to Palestine (which was set up as a nation under British rule at the end of WWI). That trickle continued, and during and after WWII lots of European Jews took off to America and Israel because they were being killed.

Once there they were under Palestinian rule they began making moves to set up their own state. They resulted to terrorists actions, killed alot of Palestinians, then tried to set up a two state system which the Palestinians rejected. The Jews then declared their own government got support from the US and Russia.. the Palestinians then took to arms in response and got their ass kicked. So Egypt, Syria, Lebbenon (well, sorta) and Transjordan then attacked Israel in response to this. They captured the Golan heights (Syria), Gaza (Egypt) and the West Bank of the Jordan River (Transjordan). Jordan then changed its name to Jordan (since they were on both sides of the river). However, the failed to crush the Israels so the Jews got their own state and the Palestinians fled to neighbooring states.

Later the soviets would feed Egypt and Syria bad intel that the Israelis were going to invade, so they built up their arms.. in response to this the Israeli's took the initiative and beat the living shit out of the Egyptians and Syrians and took back Gaza, Golan and the West bank. So now Jordan is stuck with the name Jordan even though their old name Transjordan makes sense again.

The Palestinian Liberation Organization set up shop in Jordan, eventually tried to kill King Husayn (or Jordan) with the help of Syria. Husayn asked the Americans for help, but the Americans couldnt get there in time, so the Israeli air force came to the rescue and saved Jordan... and they were the first state to recognize Isreals right to exist. This also got the PLO and Arafat kicked out of Jordan so they went to Lebbenon. The Israelis had none of that and invaded Lebanon sent the PLO to exile in Tunisa in the 80's. They would return to Israel as part of the Oslo accords in the early 90's.

From there Sadat would reinvade Israel to regain control of the Suez Canal. They couldnt afford the war with Israel so Carter steps in, negotiates peace. Isreal gives the Siani back to Egypt, Egypt recognizes Israel and that brings you up to the 80's.


Great response StoOge, much better than getting all defensive or offensive about this topic. BlackStallion asked a simple question, it seemed sincere enough, and suddenly people are up in arms! :p
 
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