This isn't generally true. If you calculate their calories and their daily activity, they end up being thin for a reason. Not saying their diet is healthy, but there's a reason they are not fat.
How Do You Feel About Fat People?
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This isn't generally true. If you calculate their calories and their daily activity, they end up being thin for a reason. Not saying their diet is healthy, but there's a reason they are not fat.
Sorry, I see where you are coming from but the situation Lambtron shared with us is not about "vice and guilty pleasures". I think it's a fair question.
Yeah we are pretty good at self loathing.
I have no problem with people being fat.
I don't like it when people participate in self loathing though.
If you accept who you are then I will accept you for who you are.
If you hate who you are, I find it hard to be sympathetic.
dragonelite
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Was obese, still am fat.
Hope keto can bring me to my target weight 15 more kg to go.
If you're fat and okey with im fine won't really act differently around you.
But if you're fat and keep complaining how you can't loose weight but stuff your mouth full of food.
Then yeah it pisses me off a bit.
Hope keto can bring me to my target weight 15 more kg to go.
If you're fat and okey with im fine won't really act differently around you.
But if you're fat and keep complaining how you can't loose weight but stuff your mouth full of food.
Then yeah it pisses me off a bit.
I don't allow myself to complain about anything that I can change under my own direct control. I feel frustrated when I see see someone posting in defense of fat acceptance when they have expressed that they would like to ride a bike, but are too heavy to do so.
It is pretty clear what the endgame solution is. I think what trips up most people are the first few steps. I advise anyone who is tired of being obese to sign up for an account on myfitnesspal.com and start tracking every single thing they consume for a few weeks. You'll start making better food choices without realizing it after a while. It's eye-opening to see that you'd previously been eating 3500 calories daily without giving it a second thought, just because it's routine to you. Make new routines.
I didn't want to bandwagon keto here, but it is what I can attribute to my own personal de-fatting.
They don't really phase me. As someone from the Midwest US, I see fat people all the time. Funny thing: I hear the word "fat" less and less it seems, while I hear "big" more and more. "She's a big girl" "He's a big guy"
Some people can wear their fat well, IMO. Example: tall dude, muscular, but fat; women with DDs and a round ass and a little belly.
Some people can wear their fat well, IMO. Example: tall dude, muscular, but fat; women with DDs and a round ass and a little belly.
Nice work bro.
It's not just fat people. People who are underweight are just as unhealthy. Smokers and heavy drinkers aren't that healthy either.
The majority of people are far from perfect. That doesn't mean obese people shouldn't lose weight.
Just because other people do it doesn't make it right.
Sure, but that question can be turned upside down really easily. Like you take a standard you believe is good for a person (level of fitness/education/empathy/wealth/social status) and start asking people why they are not doing steps to reach this status.
Indeed. But my point was that they are the ones that receive the most attention in my opinion (which can be explained by the clear visual indication that someone is obese, while it's harder to tell if someone is a drunk or a junkie). Also if you accept that people should have certain vices, then you kinda need to accept unhealthy eating too. You can't cherry pick to select only those you yourself are not guilty of.
Heh. I guess I shouldn't be surprised these are the types of responses I get from all the shit I wrote.
Given the constant focus on my size, of course I've thought about losing weight. And I've tried. But it's just never stuck. I was diagnosed with diabetes last summer (got what I deserved, right?), and I've made quite a few lifestyle changes as a result of that. When I had my six month checkup, with the changes I made I reduced my A1C over 2% points and was very close to a normal range. I lost weight from these changes too, which people insist on pointing out despite my indifference to it.
If I keep on this path, and can get more activity into my life (hence why I'm looking at a bike, since it's hard to stay active when you're at a computer working/studying 12+ hours a day) I'm sure I'll lose weight but it's not a primary motivation for me. I don't feel any sort of moral failing for being fat. I get frustrated by it some times, sure, but the whole point of what I was saying that I don't think I'm a better person if I'm thinner, or less of a person because I'm fat.
If you think that, that's your failing. Not mine.
Sato Koiji
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Fat as in chubby or obese?
I will never understand obese people. Everyone should live the way they want to and it is perfectly fine...but Ill never believe them when they say they feel good in their skin.
Chubbyness isnt a crime...nobodys perfect
I will never understand obese people. Everyone should live the way they want to and it is perfectly fine...but Ill never believe them when they say they feel good in their skin.
Chubbyness isnt a crime...nobodys perfect
dragonelite
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I find keto easy to get in my kcal for the day 3 good portioned meals in my IF feeding windows and im done. With a normal diet i had to eat 2 big meals to get in my macros 2000kcal in like 4 hours. Keto makes it a lot easier and peanutbutter its like having a tablespoon of heaven everytime
megamerican
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It doesn't phase me at all. Most of the time I feel sympathy rather than disgust. Only thing that gets me is if I'm eating at a place (usually buffets) and large parents are seriously over feeding their younger kids. Like I just remember this obese parent forcing a kid to get a second plate of dessert to get "their money's worth". Just kind of saddened me. Those kids don't have a chance.
That's only true if you subscribe to calories in/calories out being an 100% applicable process for humans, or believing that all humans are similar in the ways they deal with food, which is honestly all misguided bullshit.
I think you're probably right, but he is right that being slim shouldn't be equated with healthy eating. And it is also true that a lot of us don't actually intend to come out thin. I don't try to regulate my weight. I just eat what I want, when I want, until I'm full. I'm just lucky that I'm satisfied relatively easily and that I fidget like a whore in church.
People are people. I treat everyone the same. Someone's personal habits are none of my business. I guess I get mildly annoyed when I see a really obese person smoking on the sidewalk or something, but whatever (although that's probably got to do with the fact that smoking is wholly a voluntary activity). I don't know their stories.
That said, I'd love to see society as a whole become more healthy, obviously.
That said, I'd love to see society as a whole become more healthy, obviously.
A friend of mine is this way. He doesn't exercise. He doesn't sleep well. He doesn't eat well. He eats like crap actually. But he is also full of nervous energy. I actually DO think he keeps weight off because of he is a high energy guy .... He has always been this way. He can also binge drink like no one else and hardly feel the effects, never gets hungover. We think he is a mutant.
fatigues_gasolini
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I'm fat, workout regularly and get health screenings yearly.outside of being overweight I'm pretty healthy. I fit in a airplane seat comfortably and always take an aisle seat too, more for the fact of leg room. Can I lose more weight, hell yeah, unfortunately it takes me working out 7 days a week to keep it off while also intaking lower calories. I've gained weight back but plan to get back in shape over the summer.
as an adult I have not encountered any problems with being fat and had a pretty healthy social life beforey girlfriend.
as an adult I have not encountered any problems with being fat and had a pretty healthy social life beforey girlfriend.
vas_a_morir
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I'm on the path to being no longer BMI overweight. They expect a 5'10 man to be 170 pounds.
That's ridiculous. You going to tell me a 175 pound man is fat, lol
That's ridiculous. You going to tell me a 175 pound man is fat, lol
The Abominable Snowman
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I aint fat.
I'm thick.
Thick like cold grits.
I'm thick.
Thick like cold grits.
I have been skinny all my life and I often eat shitty food. I do only drink light sodas now to cut down on sugar.
But the thing that struck me as a Swede, being on vacation in america (I am going to assume most are american here), where the portion sizes at restaurants. HO-LEE-SHIT THEY ARE HUGE.
In my family for 4, we went to eat one of those shared meals, they where set up as 1 portion for 1 person. The waitress said that if we werent american, we could make due with ordering 2 of those. 2 protions fed the 4 of and we where full afterwards.
So yea I eat a lot of shit food. Just not as much as you because from eating normal portion sizes (normal for me = smaller) my stomach has stayed small and I feel full.
Cut down on your protions sizes america.
BruceLeeRoy
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The typical American diet nowadays is really going to be the demise of this country. I am at Santa Monica for the week and over the last 10 years business has me visiting this place pretty often and I always go to Venice Beach.
Venice Beach used to be a Mecca of fit/healthy people. The bodies you saw playing beach volleyball, surfing, running and working out were amazing and they were everywhere you look. This last week the beach is as crowded as ever with people doing all those same activities but now they are all considerably heavier. It is crazy how few actually fit people there are anymore.
Portions are a huge part of the problem no doubt.
Venice Beach used to be a Mecca of fit/healthy people. The bodies you saw playing beach volleyball, surfing, running and working out were amazing and they were everywhere you look. This last week the beach is as crowded as ever with people doing all those same activities but now they are all considerably heavier. It is crazy how few actually fit people there are anymore.
Portions are a huge part of the problem no doubt.
It's this. We skinny people often eat unhealthy stuff - but in my experience we don't eat as much as people with big weight issues. There are times when my friends and I go to "all you can eat" places, clearly we don't all eat the same amount of food and it definitely refelects in our weight.
In my experience, portions in Japan for most individual food items are considerably smaller than the HUGE portions we have in Mexico (which aren't even as big as the portions in the US). So it's no surprise to me that Mexico is sadly currently struggling with weight issues while Japan isn't. I don't buy the idea that Japanese people are genetically better at not getting obese even if their meals revolve around carbs, for example.
ElectricBlue187
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It's absolutely fair unless you have some kind of disorder which keeps you from losing weight. Obesity is by far the biggest contributor to health care costs in the US (more than smoking), and at 190 billion dollars it's a little more than a 'drop in the bucket'. If you want to try rationalizing shit lifestyle decisions try doing it with actual real numbers.
The abundance of "fastfood restaurants" has done this I think, you sit down and order from a menu but its still fastfood (Dennys, TGIF, Applebees, Olivegarden, Chilies)
Appetizers entrees desserts whats that? one huge meal and a dessert is what we get.
Crazyorloco
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I feel no way about them. They're people too.
I avoid becoming fat - not because I eat healthy, but because I don't eat large meals and I stay active. I've seen people who say they eat the same foods as me but wonder why i'm thinner. It's because of the portions amount. I eat one pizza for lunch, while my friend eats 2 or 3...with snacks throughout the day. That's a lot of calories. Genetics plays a role, but we have seen plenty of times people overcome their circumstances. Or at least try to. I admire those people.
This reminds me, I should start working out.
Definitely.
I avoid becoming fat - not because I eat healthy, but because I don't eat large meals and I stay active. I've seen people who say they eat the same foods as me but wonder why i'm thinner. It's because of the portions amount. I eat one pizza for lunch, while my friend eats 2 or 3...with snacks throughout the day. That's a lot of calories. Genetics plays a role, but we have seen plenty of times people overcome their circumstances. Or at least try to. I admire those people.
This reminds me, I should start working out.
Definitely.
"feel about" is such a weird expression. I don't know how I feel about something. Maybe empathize is a better word? I don't know (sorry for being brusque...this is just a stream of consciousness...imagine a ginger thinking to himself in front of you). I don't really know how to feel about fat people (in which case they probably mean obese/morbidly obese people).
Empathy is defined by "[understanding] and [sharing] the feelings of another". In which case I think they would be a lot like me, prompting indifferent feelings (probably not though, but you get the point).
The closest I've probably come to experiencing "fat" (from what my previously obese friends have told me) is when I finished a 2 hour full body intense weight lifting workout and 4 quarter mile sprints; I could hardly walk and I had to kneel and take deep breaths going up and down stairs.
meh.
Empathy is defined by "[understanding] and [sharing] the feelings of another". In which case I think they would be a lot like me, prompting indifferent feelings (probably not though, but you get the point).
The closest I've probably come to experiencing "fat" (from what my previously obese friends have told me) is when I finished a 2 hour full body intense weight lifting workout and 4 quarter mile sprints; I could hardly walk and I had to kneel and take deep breaths going up and down stairs.
meh.
David H Wong
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Yep, and the vast, vast majority of thin people are like this - they devote zero effort to it. It's just that some of them, due to insecurity or whatever, then applaud their amazing moral fiber, as if their thinness was due to an extreme triumph over adversity when in reality they never felt the urge to overeat in the first place. It's like heterosexuals who congratulate themselves for not being gay.
First off, congratulations for making healthy changes to your life. I'm sorry to hear about the diabetes; I'm not sure I would use the word 'deserve', though it is a consequence of the lifestyle that you have chosen to lead. Please keep us posted on your progress.
We all have vices; that doesn't make them okay, or that we should embrace them. We should recognize that we aren't perfect, but not be satisfied with mediocrity. You clearly aren't in most areas of your life; your academic and professional performance shows that. If you apply that same motivation to your physical condition (which is more important than anything else as it it fundamental to your quality and quantity of life), then you'd likely succeed in dropping the weight. I have my own vices to deal with, and sometimes enjoy in moderation, and I'll do the same.
it just means what's your opinion on fat people
Willpower is a resource that is used to change someone's behaviour. Once it's been changed, then fairly little willpower is required to maintain that change. That's why going to the gym is hard for the first few weeks, then becomes an automatic part of your routine. People who already have better habits as far as caloric intake goes are in the low-willpower stage. People who are heavy are not, they're in a high willpower stage. Their hormonal environments make it doubly a challenge, and require that they expend for effort to get and stay slim than someone who was never obese. There are predispositions for this too, and life isn't fair.
It's not like heterosexuals who congratulate themelves on not being gay. Sexuality is hardwired, and obesity is not.
My opinion is always torn because I don't know if a given person has medical (or other issues) that truly keep their own weight out of their own control. Which is obviously a very sad state of affairs. Battling a condition or two that are out of my control that work to erode away at my own quality of life, I can sympathize.
If it's a case of just poor health and eating habits....I tend to have negative opinions. I feel disgusted in myself after acquiring a winter coat of just 5-10 lbs after each holiday season. I can't imagine gaining 20, 30, 50, HUNDREDS of extra lbs. and not doing something about it.
I know that it's a slippery slide though, and that depression and other factors can contribute and result in a brutal, negative cycle.
TL;DR, don't know what to think.
Extra note: Enormous commendations to those who've posted photos, shared stories, etc. about tremendous weight loss and body transformation. Congratulations, that's fucking amazing!
If it's a case of just poor health and eating habits....I tend to have negative opinions. I feel disgusted in myself after acquiring a winter coat of just 5-10 lbs after each holiday season. I can't imagine gaining 20, 30, 50, HUNDREDS of extra lbs. and not doing something about it.
I know that it's a slippery slide though, and that depression and other factors can contribute and result in a brutal, negative cycle.
TL;DR, don't know what to think.
Extra note: Enormous commendations to those who've posted photos, shared stories, etc. about tremendous weight loss and body transformation. Congratulations, that's fucking amazing!
The numbers just deal with the healthcare costs directly attributed to the lifestyle of the individuals, not the secondary factors. The numbers do not account for the deaths and injuries caused by DUI alcoholics. The numbers do no account for the crime and poverty caused by drug abusers. It's more than just the healthcare numbers when considering how much a lifestyle is a burden to society.
There are too many people who just point at fat people and blame. I prefer not to judge. I've tried to help workmates with making healthy choices. If I see someone at the gym making a serious effort I go out of my way to encourage them and help if they want. But there's always some jackass who just points and laughs. Whole lotta help that is.
Some people like to use the "numbers" to justify their contempt and discrimination.
ElectricBlue187
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It also doesn't account for meteors falling out of the sky or terrorists flying planes into buildings because that shit has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which was healthcare.
Wind's Howling
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As long as people are fat because of a certain medical issue, I do not care. If people are fat because they are lazy and keep eating their fastfood, then I start to hate them.
Shalashaska161
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It's a weird subject to me. I don't like shaming anyone over their bodies. Fat people know they're fat, they don't need me to make them feel worse about it. And throwing out insults is hardly the way to encourage someone to lose the weight.
Still, on the other hand, overweight people are such a massive strain on things like the health care system. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the cost of overweight people is a major percentage of all health care spending. That's money that is treating something that can in most cases be kept under control if people would spend more time looking after themselves. So it's hard to really pity these people sometimes.
So I dunno, it's a complicated question to me. I don't support being overweight, but I also don't want to shame people about it. I think society's reaction to obesity needs to change from "HAHA YOU'RE FAT" to a much more empathetic approach, because the current approach definitely isn't working.
Still, on the other hand, overweight people are such a massive strain on things like the health care system. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the cost of overweight people is a major percentage of all health care spending. That's money that is treating something that can in most cases be kept under control if people would spend more time looking after themselves. So it's hard to really pity these people sometimes.
So I dunno, it's a complicated question to me. I don't support being overweight, but I also don't want to shame people about it. I think society's reaction to obesity needs to change from "HAHA YOU'RE FAT" to a much more empathetic approach, because the current approach definitely isn't working.
I haven't found an answer to this yet. Whenever I imagine earthlings 50 years from now, scenes from the movie Wall-E come to mind.
Dance Inferno
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This is something I've actually been wondering about for a while. I have a pretty high metabolism so I find it very hard to put on weight. However, I've been eating rather heavily as part of a workout diet and I have seen myself putting on excess fat. I'm sure there are people who have a low metabolism and are therefore more prone to put on fat than I am, but wouldn't a reduction in food intake solve that problem? I've never had this problem obviously but to me it seems like a simple diet issue.
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