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[Nymphae]

Brief video where Hugo gives his thoughts on why the new Star Wars films are shit. Nothing really new for this forum, but it`s refreshing to see someone in the entertainment industry make these points.

I mean these guys are like telling you their life`s work is inspired by this game, we`re not trying to fuck that up

That line reminded me of that fiasco with Disney where that guy made a killer Darth Vader movie on his own that literally rivaled anything Disney has produced with the licence, and Disney forced him to take it down and caused him a bunch of headaches even though he was doing all he could to just provide it for free for fans, because it's his passion.

Proper reverence for the source material you are working with is important, and for all of Disney's talk, they just don't care about your reverence for the old stuff. The force is now female bigots.

 

[Jesus Carbomb]

Why are you so angry, Nymphae?!!? JEEZ

 

[Nymphae]

Why are you so angry, Nymphae?!!? JEEZ

I just wanted to make a pet peeves thread, didn't get around to it lol

Edit: Just for context, I had made an error titling the thread and it was called "Things that piss you off"

 

[Fallbutler]

Similar story you might enjoy, Chris Avellone criticized The Last Jedi as well.

The veteran writer and designer, who most notably helmed Obsidian’s Knights of the Old Republic 2, said that while he enjoyed “some bits” of The Last Jedi, overall he “didn’t like the execution” of its story.
“I thought that portrayal of Luke Skywalker was very weak,” he told VGC. “I thought they gave him a scapegoat role that wasn’t merited and didn’t fit with his character, in my opinion.
“I like the fact that they were playing around with it, but at the same time I didn’t like the execution and I thought it could have been handled a lot better or differently.”
He added: “I also thought it was a case of comedy goes too far, side characters and massive detour plots were rapidly introduced… I liked what they were trying to do, I just didn’t like how it was executed.”

Jedi: Fallen Order writer ‘didn’t like’ Last Jedi’s execution | VGC

KoTOR 2 designer offers film criticism and discusses his “smooth” return to the franchise…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[Tesseract]

thank you based hugo, we don't deserve you

 

[GV82]

I didn’t know they forced him to take than fan film down, well thats shitty especially as Lucas used to encourage that, but why am i suprised when its Di$ney? After all they refused to allow a dad let his dead son have Spider-Man on his gravestone because they felt it inappropriate to associate a Di$ney character with death

 

[Nymphae]

I didn’t know they forced him to take than fan film down, well thats shitty especially as Lucas used to encourage that, but why am i suprised when its Di$ney? After all they refused to allow a dad let his dead son have Spider-Man on his gravestone because they felt it inappropriate to associate a Di$ney character with death

IIRC Lucas film stepped in once they heard how the guy was being treated, and there was something of a happy ending to that story. But Disney's attitude is very clear for everyone to see.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Boycott it. There is more than enough old SW media out there to last a lifetime. No need to entertain these new films at all.

 

[Nymphae]

Boycott it. There is more than enough old SW media out there to last a lifetime. No need to entertain these new films at all.

No need to boycott something that I have lost absolutely all interest in lol. I'll watch the MauLer destruction on Youtube after release and have a far better time with that than I would in a theatre.

 

[The Snake]

I didn’t know they forced him to take than fan film down, well thats shitty especially as Lucas used to encourage that, but why am i suprised when its Di$ney? After all they refused to allow a dad let his dead son have Spider-Man on his gravestone because they felt it inappropriate to associate a Di$ney character with death

What happened is: He asked LucasFilm if he could make it, and they said yeah absolutely, just don't monetize it, don't run ads on it, etc.

So he does and it gets tons of views. One of the music pieces in the film uses part of John Williams' score (Imperial March) so Disney's lawyers filed a copyright claim as their intellectual property, allowing them to run ads on it. No one was forcing him to take it down. He had the option to appeal the request with YouTube and he declined.

Not long after, LucasFilm contacted Disney and informed them of the deal they had made with the guy and they dropped the claim. The video is still available ad-free for anyone to watch.

 

[Helios]

That's what they tell you and than they come up with this ! ?

How is this respecting my childhood ? The revenant wouldn't act like this ! He's a majestic creature that wouldn't participate in this type of tomdootery.

 

[Ulysses 31]

That's what they tell you and than they come up with this ! ?

How is this respecting my childhood ? The revenant wouldn't act like this ! He's a majestic creature that wouldn't participate in this type of tomdootery.

As long as that version of the revenant isn't in the game, it's fine.

Let's hope the soundtrack is on par with the first DOOM and gets a vinyl treatment again.

 

[Nymphae]

There's pre-order exclusive levels? Ugh.

 

[plushyp]

That's what they tell you and than they come up with this ! ?

How is this respecting my childhood ? The revenant wouldn't act like this ! He's a majestic creature that wouldn't participate in this type of tomdootery.

 

[The Snake]

There's pre-order exclusive levels? Ugh.

Power to the Players.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

No need to boycott something that I have lost absolutely all interest in lol. I'll watch the MauLer destruction on Youtube after release and have a far better time with that than I would in a theatre.

when i saw Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I started getting embarassed at the film almost immediately, and the way it was constantly referencing old things, it was just too eager to please. this did not help that I was seeing it with my dad in a theater, and was remembering how we went to The Last Crusade in the theater, and liked it so much we went back and saw it twice. i felt manipulated by nostalgia. i mean, i know this is going on in all kinds of media, but it just felt lazy, blatant, cheap. the reason for this was that the non-nostalgia parts of the movie were weak. what little new it brought was poor, it was leaning on nostalgia too much.

still, i was seeing it with my dad, so it was kind of a tradition. that's the way most of these films happen. the last two Star Wars movies (aside from Solo, which i've never seen) I saw w my brothers, cos they came out at Christmas time, and that is when everyone is with their family. you are nostalgic as hell during Christmas time. so them making tons of money, it's just a given, they have this stuff programmed. just roll out the nostalgia and your Christmas movie and you are golden. people will want it so bad you can sell a shotglass of blue milk for $8.

those last two movies for me were much like Kingom, they were embarassing dragging of older characters through their old roles, with little new to latch onto. well, Force Awakens had all the new characters, but none of them are interesting to me after The Last Jedi. what is new is not appealing, it is poor, it is weak. everyone says these films look amazing but to me they look like TV shows, with drab looking, uninspiring sets, filmed too dark and too desaturated (hamstrung by that "prestigue tv" style). the old characters are dead or ruined, the new ones are uninsteresting. Rey will win, Kylo will die or be redeemed, and everyone will say his pouting is so deep and complex yet again. Finn and Poe will do b plot shit. the last trailer even dragged out the fucking Death Star again. another fucking Death Star? for fucking real? JJ was trolling me when i paid money to see two ballsacs side by side, Han Solo pointing out that one is bigger, lol ok, yeah you are out of ideas. not gonna pay to see another Death Star. fuck that. i gave them three movies already, i don't need more rehashed stuff thanks. ill go see a new property or something.

 

[Nymphae]

#Phonepunk# yeah manipulated by nostaligia is correct, same feeling I got watching the Rise of Skywalker trailer. They didn't earn the emotions that the score they grave robbed was making me feel.

IJ and SW were new franchises created by passionate creators that harkened back to things they enjoyed from their youth. They didn't need to sell you nostalgia for things you had already consumed, they were making new things that were simply inspired by what came before. The new Disney corporate products sicken me.

 

[Punished Miku]

I liked The Force Awakens and even bought it.

After The Last Jedi in theaters one time, I couldn't rewatch a single Star Wars movie ever again. I didn't watch The Last Jedi once on Netflix even though it's right there for free. I just honestly don't give a shit about any of it anymore. The whole thing seems unbelievably stupid to me now. Stormtroopers look stupid. The ships look stupid. The whole thing is just dumb. It has no depth, and they cannot expand it into anything interesting. And that's after the 3 shitty prequels.

 

[Nymphae]

I liked The Force Awakens and even bought it.

After The Last Jedi in theaters one time, I couldn't rewatch a single Star Wars movie ever again. I didn't watch The Last Jedi once on Netflix even though it's right there for free. I just honestly don't give a shit about any of it anymore. The whole thing seems unbelievably stupid to me now. Stormtroopers look stupid. The ships look stupid. The whole thing is just dumb. It has no depth, and they cannot expand it into anything interesting. And that's after the 3 shitty prequels.

Yeah same here, I saw TFA 3 times in theatres. My hype level was ridiculously high for new SW, and it was decent enough before we knew where shit was headed.

Saw TLJ once with a big SW friend, and at the end we were both just like...what the fuck man...we spent a while afterwards shitting on all the plot holes and the overall direction things were going, before realizing not only did we have absolutely no idea where the third movie could be going, but that we did not care in the slightest anymore.

I watched Rogue One shortly after when I was sick and glued to the couch one day, it was ok. Wouldn't watch again probably. I skipped Solo, kept seeing it on Netflix many times and never once felt interested enough to watch. Truly remarkable how quickly they soured many lifelong fans to the point of disengaging with the franchise entirely.

 

[Horsemama1956]

I think the main problem with the star wars franchise is people expect way too much. The original trilogy is entertaining but I wouldnt call them good movies.

Timing was right and they got a cast and crew that worked well together.

People just couldnt be heard whining constantly in the 70s and 80s like they can be now. The fans are terrible.

 

[Later Alligator]

Yeah same here, I saw TFA 3 times in theatres. My hype level was ridiculously high for new SW, and it was decent enough before we knew where shit was headed.

Saw TLJ once with a big SW friend, and at the end we were both just like...what the fuck man...we spent a while afterwards shitting on all the plot holes and the overall direction things were going, before realizing not only did we have absolutely no idea where the third movie could be going, but that we did not care in the slightest anymore.

I watched Rogue One shortly after when I was sick and glued to the couch one day, it was ok. Wouldn't watch again probably. I skipped Solo, kept seeing it on Netflix many times and never once felt interested enough to watch. Truly remarkable how quickly they soured many lifelong fans to the point of disengaging with the franchise entirely.

We had a work event at a movie theatre and they played Solo. I went because the movie was free and I was getting paid to watch it. It's surprisingly watchable.

This is coming from someone who thought the trailers made it look like absolute dog shit, and TLJ was the worst star wars movie (if you can even call it that)

 

[#Phonepunk#]

lol check this out why is everyone so bored and sad on this cover? sad wars. hey kids who wants to have an epic adventure? in moping!

need a shot of some of the OG stuff as a chaser:

ooooh yeah that's the ticket

 

[dan76]

I think the main problem with the star wars franchise is people expect way too much. The original trilogy is entertaining but I wouldnt call them good movies.

Timing was right and they got a cast and crew that worked well together.

People just couldnt be heard whining constantly in the 70s and 80s like they can be now. The fans are terrible.

Star Wars is a great film in terms of plot construction, character introduction, character arcs, effects, casting, editing. You name it Star Wars is up there. It's stands as a great film, regardless of everything else that came after. Most people prefer Empire but as pure film Star Wars has it. Empire glows because of what came before, Jedi is a clunky entertaining mess with characters we love.

The prequels were poorly made films regardless of if you liked the story (which I didn't). The Disney Star Wars films - it could be argued are better made than the prequels, but they're different kind of dreadful.

It's like everyone making these has forgotten about bread and butter film making. They should construct stories and characters that would make great films without the Star Wars brand, then add all that great design and history in top. They think the name Star Wars will get them over the hurdle of making something good.

 

[Contica]

I can't wait to see box office results on this. It's gonna be a day of reckoning. Will it do really well and prove the critical voices wrong, or will it be the disaster Disney deserve?

I'm fighting myself on this one, I don't want to watch it, don't want to give disney the cash, but the kid in me wants to at least see how it ends.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I can't wait to see box office results on this. It's gonna be a day of reckoning. Will it do really well and prove the critical voices wrong, or will it be the disaster Disney deserve?

look, doing really well isn't going to "prove anyone wrong". it isn't going to be a day of reckoning. this is the biggest media company on the planet marketing film 9 in a 40 year old film series, the first film of which single handedly saved the movie industry. this will make a ton of money. they are releasing it at Christmas. they will go insane with marketing. it's a sure bet. this is the surest thing in the history of capitalism. that the last Star Wars movie, released by Disney, will make a lot of money. it will say nothing, other than capitalism still works.

but the money does not matter. money is not an indicator of anything other than market share. it does not indicate genuine quality. we are talking massive media corporations that have spent decades rewriting the laws to suit their business practices. they can dictate to theaters what films to play. they have 4 movies already under their belt, they probably have teams of accountants analyzing the marketing data from the all the previous attempts to make the perfect trailer & juice the right talking points for maximum exposure. they have it worked out like a science. it's a product line.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Boycott it. There is more than enough old SW media out there to last a lifetime. No need to entertain these new films at all.

Even after I'm dead there will be new films being made and merch to sell.

 

[Contica]

no it isn't. it isn't going to be a day of reckoning. this is the biggest media company on the planet marketing film 9 in a 40 year old film series, the first film of which single handedly saved the movie industry. this will make a ton of money. they are releasing it at Christmas. they will go insane with marketing. it's a sure bet.

but the money does not matter. money is not an indicator of anything other than market share. it does not indicate genuine quality. we are talking massive media corporations that have spent decades rewriting the laws to suit their business practices. they can dictate to theaters what films to play. they are too big to fail.

Yeah, okay, we're done here, lol.

 

[TheSadRanger]

Yeah same here, I saw TFA 3 times in theatres. My hype level was ridiculously high for new SW, and it was decent enough before we knew where shit was headed.

Saw TLJ once with a big SW friend, and at the end we were both just like...what the fuck man...we spent a while afterwards shitting on all the plot holes and the overall direction things were going, before realizing not only did we have absolutely no idea where the third movie could be going, but that we did not care in the slightest anymore.

I watched Rogue One shortly after when I was sick and glued to the couch one day, it was ok. Wouldn't watch again probably. I skipped Solo, kept seeing it on Netflix many times and never once felt interested enough to watch. Truly remarkable how quickly they soured many lifelong fans to the point of disengaging with the franchise entirely.

Rogue One is a legit good Star Wars movie that at least tries to do different interesting things and most of it's flaws come from post production reworks with Disney trying to make the movie something that it's not.

Try watching Rogue One again and you will appreciate way more.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Rogue One is a legit good Star Wars movie that at least tries to do different interesting things and most of it's flaws come from post production reworks with Disney trying to make the movie something that it's not.

Try watching Rogue One again and you will appreciate way more.

>.>

 

[GV82]

lol check this out why is everyone so bored and sad on this cover? sad wars. hey kids who wants to have an epic adventure? in moping!

need a shot of some of the OG stuff as a chaser:

Didn’t know these were a thing, nothing new just new covers & a Digital copy?

Still wanting the proper Despecialised non laserdisc official releases all these years later, another release and another repeat special edition, meh Pablo on Twitter said something about a year or two ago about kids growing up with the S.E since 1997 are used to them as they are Cannon & they don’t care.

So what? if I can buy Blade Runner with 5 different versions of the film, as a Movie collector why can I not by those proper editions cleaned up? They even stopped selling the 2006 dvd editions with the laserdisc original editions as bonus discs.

So now we still have to watch the Harmy versions we all downloaded to see the Star Wars we truly love still. Maybe with the 4K release after Episode 9, but I won’t hold my breath

 

[Tesseract]

hahaha they added a doot skeleton skin

DAY 1

 

[ipukespiders]

"DESTROYS"

 

[Carna]

If we all hate Disney Star Wars, does that mean we can admit that all of us hated the new Star Trek films too now?

 

[EekTheKat]

I didn't hate TLJ (didn't really like it either) - but I distinctly remember feeling that I would be perfectly okay if they never made another Star Wars film again after that - a feeling that the other films never gave me.

 

[oagboghi2]

I didn't hate TLJ (didn't really like it either) - but I distinctly remember feeling that I would be perfectly okay if they never made another Star Wars film again after that - a feeling that the other films never gave me.

The film had no hook at the end, which is strange becuase TFA had a great closing hook

 

[Nymphae]

The film had no hook at the end, which is strange becuase TFA had a great closing hook

Yeah like I mentioned, after seeing it my buddy and I were like, so what the hell is the next film going to be about? The final film in a trilogy and audiences aren't clear on what the major conflicts to be resolved will be? Unreal.

I'm fighting myself on this one, I don't want to watch it, don't want to give disney the cash, but the kid in me wants to at least see how it ends.

Then don't watch it dude, they don't deserve your time or money. Read about it afterwards, watch youtube reviews, wait for a streaming version.

 

[Ulysses 31]

The film had no hook at the end, which is strange becuase TFA had a great closing hook

Come on, everyone being smiley/happy on the Millennium Falcon and Leia saying they have everything they need to rebuilt the rebellion after getting downsized from 400 to > 20 was the hook! To see how the spark of hope will burn down the first order!

/s

 

[#Phonepunk#]

“The spark” is just a rehashed “new hope”. And burn it down, just like how they defeated the Empire right? Lol right

The hook was nobody cares that trillions of people died the other day but Luke showing up for a dozen people and disappearing was an inspiring tale across the galaxy. Which I didn’t buy.

What about Han? What about Yoda? Is Vader really the dad?

RoTJ had so many questions going in beyond “will the good guys win for a third time?”

 

[Ulysses 31]

RoTJ had so many questions going in beyond “will the good guys win for a third time?”

The Force Awakens kinda undid the victory of the rebels in RotJ and Han's character development.

 

[Birdo]

The sequel characters just aren't interesting. They are like caricatures.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

If we all hate Disney Star Wars, does that mean we can admit that all of us hated the new Star Trek films too now?

the first one was alright but insanely dumb. the second movie was just dumb. so dumb i didn't see the third.

which leads into me deciding not to see another movie by this JJ guy with a mediocre hit rate