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Huzzah!! I am vindicated!: Cingular accused of deceiving customers

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ronito

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_bi_ge/cingular_lawsuit

SEATTLE - Cingular Wireless Corp. promised to provide uninterrupted service to AT&T Wireless customers when it acquired that company in 2004, but instead it nickel-and-dimed them and degraded their reception in an effort to persuade them to sign new contracts, a federal lawsuit said Thursday.

The lawsuit, which alleges breach of contract and violations of consumer protection laws, seeks class-action status on behalf of the more than 20 million customers AT&T Wireless had at the time of the merger. Many paid $18 "transfer" fees to switch to Cingular plans and were required to buy new phones or pay other fees, said the complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Seattle.

"Everyone who signed an AT&T contract had their service degraded," attorney Mike Withey said at a news conference Thursday.

Atlanta-based Cingular acquired Redmond-based AT&T Wireless Services Inc. for $41 billion in October 2004, and promised in advertisements and news releases that the customers of both companies would see uninterrupted and even improved service as a result of the "combined network."

Withey argued that instead, Cingular stopped maintaining AT&T Wireless network facilities. In addition to the accounts of his clients, he cited news articles in which industry analysts said Cingular appeared to be investing little or nothing in the AT&T Wireless network. That breached the contracts AT&T Wireless had with its customers, he said.

Cingular spokesman Clay Owen said Thursday the company had not had a chance to review the lawsuit. He acknowledged the company eventually plans to phase out the older cell phone technology used by the AT&T Wireless network, called TDMA, but insisted that it is still maintaining that system for now. The overwhelming majority of Cingular's 55.8 million customers use a newer GSM system, and many companies no longer make TDMA-compatible phones, he said.

Cingular spent $6.5 billion on network improvements and integration last year, and has budgeted the same amount this year, Owen said. He did not have figures for how much of that was spent maintaining the AT&T Wireless network.

One plaintiff, Amy Frerker, a 28-year-old Seattle architect, said that shortly after the merger she began noticing that she no longer had cell reception in areas she once did. Over the next year and a half, she said, Cingular told her she would have to sign a new contract; live with her current cell service, which was being phased out; or pay a $175 termination fee to get out of her contract.

Finally, last week, the company let her out of her contract without charge, Frerker said. She switched to T-Mobile.

"On my commute to work I started to notice I was getting more dropped calls," she said. "It's like purchasing a Mercedes and getting a Hyundai."

Last month, a California state appeals court upheld a $12.1 million fine against Cingular for signing up customers faster than it could provide service and for imposing hefty cancellation fees without a trial period. The court also said Cingular must refund up to $10 million to people who were forced to pay as much as $550 to cancel their contracts.

Five of the seven named plaintiffs in the Seattle lawsuit are California residents. The lawsuit, based on complaints received by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights in Santa Monica, seeks up to treble damages for fees and charges paid by the AT&T Wireless customers.

Finally! I had an AT&T Wireless account at first, then Cingular bought them then I realized that I was paying at least $30 a month more for a less minute plan to the cingular version. When I called to complain they said that I'd have to sign a new contract for 2 years to get on the cingular program or pay $175 bucks per phone (I have 3) to cancell. Already fed up with them there was no way I was signing on for another 2 years so I decided just to buck up until the contract is over. September can't come soon enough. But I'm glad that someone filed a lawsuit.
 

Pellham

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wow nice i hope Cingular gets owned so I can get a piece of this lawsuit pie!

those fckers screwed me over too by jacking my bill up by as much as $30/mo more
 

Enron

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honestly, though, Cingular is probably the 2nd best carrier next to Verizon. Cingular's coverage area rocks if you are on the Eastern side of the country and many cingular customers i know are reasonably "satisfied" with their service. Notice that I did not praise cingular's service... this is the cell phone business...it's not so much who is "better" than the other guy, it's more about "sucking less @ss" than the other guy.

Only real complaint i have as a cingular customer is that their phone selection is bleh.
 

xsarien

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ronito said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_bi_ge/cingular_lawsuit



Finally! I had an AT&T Wireless account at first, then Cingular bought them then I realized that I was paying at least $30 a month more for a less minute plan to the cingular version. When I called to complain they said that I'd have to sign a new contract for 2 years to get on the cingular program or pay $175 bucks per phone (I have 3) to cancell. Already fed up with them there was no way I was signing on for another 2 years so I decided just to buck up until the contract is over. September can't come soon enough. But I'm glad that someone filed a lawsuit.

That's not what the lawsuit is covering. This suit is over diminished coverage issues that started popping up as Cingular started integrating the AT&T and Cingular GSM networks while putting both of their TDMA networks on the back burner. What happened to you was a good, old-fashioned episode of "life," where you're still under contract and a new, better plan comes out in the interim. Unfair? Probably, but it's nothing to hit the roof about.

Also, learn your rights regarding cell phones, the sales chimps on the phone and in the store won't go out of their way to tell you anything that will reduce their commission. 2-year plans aren't the only option, if you want a 1-year contract just ask.

"On my commute to work I started to notice I was getting more dropped calls," she said. "It's like purchasing a Mercedes and getting a Hyundai."

Lady? AT&T Wireless was never, ever the Mercedes of cell phone companies. You bought a Hyundai on day one.
 

bluemax

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I keep hearing bad stuff about Cingular but the one time I had a problem with them (I got charged roaming fees for like a year despite having switched my number to a local one during a time when I wasn't paying for long distance), they refunded me no hassle and corrected the issue with one phone call. I get better coverage on campus (near downtown LA) than people on Verizon and Sprint etc.

Still that stuff is pretty dubious, hope them getting hit with this doesn't affect the cost of my plan any.
 

ronito

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xsarien said:
That's not what the lawsuit is covering. This suit is over diminished coverage issues that started popping up as Cingular started integrating the AT&T and Cingular GSM networks while putting both of their TDMA networks on the back burner. What happened to you was a good, old-fashioned episode of "life," where you're still under contract and a new, better plan comes out in the interim. Unfair? Probably, but it's nothing to hit the roof about.

Also, learn your rights regarding cell phones, the sales chimps on the phone and in the store won't go out of their way to tell you anything that will reduce their commission. 2-year plans aren't the only option, if you want a 1-year contract just ask.



Lady? AT&T Wireless was never, ever the Mercedes of cell phone companies. You bought a Hyundai on day one.
True enough. But my coverage has stank since they moved. I was supposed to get better coverage and instead I get worse.
 

teiresias

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I was just thinking of going with Cingular because they are the only ones (that I can see) that have a slide-open bar phone like the Samsung-D807 (or whatever). What other carriers offer those form factor of phones? I don't want a freaking Razor, everyone and their grandma has one!
 

xsarien

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teiresias said:
I was just thinking of going with Cingular because they are the only ones (that I can see) that have a slide-open bar phone like the Samsung-D807 (or whatever). What other carriers offer those form factor of phones? I don't want a freaking Razor, everyone and their grandma has one!

Cingular, overall, is probably the best service outside of Verizon right now, there's nothing terribly wrong with it that you wouldn't experience on any other provider. Also, they do have a trial period where you can return everything and cancel your service if you're not happy with how it's playing out, what they will do is charge you a pro-rated fee for what you did use, and keep that damned activation fee which is the cellular equivalent to a car's delivery charge.
 

teiresias

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OK, my main conern was I live in Virginia (around the Richmond and Hampton Roads areas most of the time) and Cingular's hard to read coverage map looked kind of flakey in that regard, but I may have just been reading it wrong. In any case, thanks for the info.
 
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