TheDarkKnight774
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Just ask comic book-Gaf. Well point you to the books that'll match your tastes. And they'res tons of indie comics that have a single voice and a start, middle and end that range a wide variety of genres
I have a GAF Bias against comic books.
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Fancy Clown
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How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
Classic, petty Doctor Doom is the best. Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Schweinehund
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A lot of panels are heavily contextual. You are right though, comics are a mess and perhaps one of the most tedious things to get into. It's been a lot better in New 52 though, you can read Batman #0 to current without having to buy any other titles to understand any of the arcs. Your best bet are trade paperbacks.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
I enjoy these silly, old-school panels.
Every time I see any modern stuff posted, it seems...too try hard? Like the dialogue is trying to be deep and funny, or sophisticated, and it always falls flat. Or it tries too hard to be referential, like that Doom panel where the guard breaks the fourth wall posted a few posts back which doesn't do much for me. I know it's perhaps a sacred cow among comic fans, but I never saw the appeal of Deadpool for example from what I've seen of him, but maybe I have to be a big comic fan to get it, otherwise it just comes across as random humor.
Mac the KNife
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How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
What's most impressive is Doom's ability to blow a horn without lips, lol.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
And while talking.
BKatastrophe
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How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
It's a beautiful thing
Baron von Loathsome
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Don't worry too much, Deadpool's more recent depictions (especially as written by Daniel Way) have been rather controversial from what I've gathered.
George Oscar Bluth II
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How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
BKatastrophe
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Damn it I do love comics.
How can you hate a medium that gives you this OP
Oh god, that bolding.
NipplesAndToes23
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Yeah, I just picked up a random issue of Spider-Man with my only exposure being the 90's cartoon and the movies and I was straight.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
duggan and posehn have done wonders for his character, but waypool, while his most popular incarnation, is hated by fans of deadpool prior to his writing
Fancy Clown
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Not saying you can't dislike something (I'm certainly not a huge superhero comic book fan) but I think that there is enough diversity in art and writing that there is something in the genre for everyone. Superhero comics are pretty inherently silly by nature, so you either gotta find one that plays around with that, or just embrace it. Lots of stupid comics, bad art, and uneccesarily convulted plotlines, but then you also have stuff like Matt Fraction's Hawkeye:
or Frank Miller's Batman: Year One (if you consider 87 to be modern)
They are on opposite spectrums of tone, but both have great art and are well written. You just gotta sift through a bunch of stuff until you find something that grabs you.
The current run is great. Not a lot of controversy there.
ActuallyHulk
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It's no surprise. Currently the big two, Marvel especially, seems to have a hard on for big earth shattering events with universe wide ramifications that they'll be sure and endlessly reference until the next one. Especially X-Men stuff.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I'll be honest, I don't get this...the dialogue is just weird.
Fancy Clown
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Hawkeye is just a chill, down to earth guy who acknowledges he's basically the lamest of the avengers, and those are Russian gangsters that have a penchant for calling people bro. The characters are amusing and have lots of idiosyncrasies. It makes for a lot less eye-rolling than the self-serious approach most superhero comics take.
But my point was, there are tons of different superhero comics. Like Hawkeye is probably vastly different from what you think of superhero comics as, and there are plenty more. I bet you could find something you like.
It's like that on purpose. The weirdness is part of its charm for some, I suppose.
I'll be honest this is slightly infuriating.
George Oscar Bluth II
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You might like Waids Daredevil, OP.
Fancy Clown
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I mean, I don't really know much about Hawkeye outside of the Fraction stuff...but when you have a team of guys who have super strength, can fly, have power armor etc....a guy who is a good archer seems a little out of place.
I didn't mean to insult him I promise! I just like that in Fraction's Hawkeye, he's very aware of the company he keeps and of his own abilities. It makes for good self-deprecating humor and makes him more relatable. Plus, he's all the cooler for it when he actually does do awesome things with his bow.
Fancy Clown
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my name is ed
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Says the guy on a video game forum.
TetraxShards
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Clearly they could never match the storytelling genius of Chris Metzen.
evil solrac v3.0
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Fool! Doom needs no lips to blow what he pleases!
and you have an avatar of Tana Moon. damn, Kon-El had the hottest girlfriend.
what's the there to get bro? dog likes pizza bro. good pizza dog bro.
Man, that first page jumped on this comment, but it's true. Superhero continuity is very intimidating and convoluted. Everything is intertwined. Japanese comics are more serialized as a whole, but One Piece #1 doesn't require you to read Ippo 1-50.
I've read comics since I was a kid, but I stopped for a bit and it was really hard to get back into it. Miss a year and you miss out on tons of history because everything bleeds into everything else these days. And DC had their shake-up that meant some stories you knew suddenly weren't true, and some were, but you can never be sure which... it's a damn mess.
It can be fun catching up on everything through wikis and whatnot. I get lost in the rabbit hole once in a while. I remember back in the day Wizard and the hero encyclopedias were a way to get all the timelines straight, but these days it's a much bigger scope.
When people bring up nerds, they no longer bring up Dungeons & Dragons and comic books. They bring up WoW. I think a lot of people have had fat, sweaty relatives have their lives taken over by WoW. And, if you ever hear a WoW conversation unfold, you can see why it's so grating to normies.
Jesus H W Christ those episode numbers go up to 600+.
I personally dont like the superhero genre. Far too reliant on action, past charachters that wont go away and retcons for any ideal that disturb the status quo. Go for Franco-Belgian comics OP if you want to see the best the medium can offer! I can personally recommend Thorgal and The Third Testament. Both have a historical focus, tremendous art, and storylines that could not have been told better in any other medium! Also check out Elric: The Ruby Throne if you have the chance. You will not be dissappointed!
Individual panels by Rosinski (illustrator of Thorgal):
Alex Alice ( illustrator of the third testament):
Individual panels by Rosinski (illustrator of Thorgal):
Alex Alice ( illustrator of the third testament):
Supermanisdead
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Manmademan
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It's always manga fans that start this argument. I mean, I get that comics aren't everyone's cup of tea (I stopped reading for over a decade myself, just got bored) but it's ALWAYS manga fans. Making the exact same complaints.
Glass houses, bro
Glass houses, bro
TetraxShards
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I think it's just that they see all the comic movies and they feel that they're not aimed at them or their interests? Or it's just "Stupid Americans can't appreciate foreign culture." (I'm Irish btw, and I think Americans are great).
"Why isn't Hollywood throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at things for ME?"
That'd be why. I hope Ghost in the Shell does well though.
You might as well keep saying it's unappealing to you because saying it's bad art is bull and it's very hard to take you seriously.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I think you're looking into this too far, I don't really have a desire to see any manga adapted for the big screen as a live-action film...and I'm not jealous of Hollywood adapting comic books, in fact I even said I enjoyed most of them.
No, I feel like a lot of people would probably agree with me that it doesn't look that good on a technical level. I'm not even an art critic or anything, it just looks a bit amateurish. Would you mind posting the full panel?
Guy says in the OP he enjoys comic book movies... This topic really gnaws at some of you.
bobawesome
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You should give Berserk a try if you haven't already.
Too perfect.
echoshifting
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There's no way coolwhip typed that with a straight face behind that avatar, it's too perfect.
Zen_Arcade
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I think saying you find some art is unappealing and saying that you think something is bad art is pretty much the same thing. Unappealing is just a nicer way of saying you think something is bad.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
My only real problem with the Marvel Movies are I find their humor to be a bit...grating? I laugh, but I feel every Marvel movie tends to basically have the same jokes more or less. It's hard to explain, more like I feel they always set up their jokes too obviously. But I guess a lot of Hollywood action movies have the really artificial feeling humor beats.
Guardians of the Galaxy was fun, but the humor in it felt pretty much more or less on par with the rest of the Marvel films I've watched, just at a higher saturation.
Is it really gory?
I sort of have a weak stomach for that sort of stuff. Like reading JoJo even is sort of uncomfortable for me with some of the body horror (anything involving eyes, that fucking soldier that Santana possesses), and I've heard Berserk gets pretty rough.
Guardians of the Galaxy was fun, but the humor in it felt pretty much more or less on par with the rest of the Marvel films I've watched, just at a higher saturation.
Is it really gory?
I sort of have a weak stomach for that sort of stuff. Like reading JoJo even is sort of uncomfortable for me with some of the body horror (anything involving eyes, that fucking soldier that Santana possesses), and I've heard Berserk gets pretty rough.
bobawesome
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He's not. Time is progressing through the panel.
fredrancour
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Berserk would destroy your soul. Stay away if body horror is difficult for you to handle.
Heh it's alright. I just like my Hawkeye to be competent and clutch, and I don't hate Fraction's run I just don't want his Hawkbro to become the default.
Looks about the same as most dialogue in comics.
hammertomb
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That is how you do it.
THe movie is going to be so bad.
Me thinks you protest too much
Pick up Ultimate Spider-Man Vol.1. Done.
Seriously, you're overthinking this, OP. I used to think like you, but then I grabbed a book and started reading. I don't know everything that's happening in the Marvel/DC universes, but the cool part is that I actually don't have to care. I can just care about the books I want to read.
The specifics of what universe, what continuity etc. don't really matter when it comes to discussing a single book. You can read Hawkeye by Matt Fraction, just read that book and you'll get a solid isolated story. You can pick up Batman by Scott Snyder, just read Batman, and you'll be fine. You don't have to engage in all the continuity, event books stuff if you don't want to.
If you start a series and you're unclear who a character is, it's rare that a book won't give a relatively basic explanation for newcomers, unless it really isn't important. Comics aren't nearly as demanding on prior knowledge as people assume.
And as far as "who's run" each book is, it's no different than when a different director comes on to take over a movie franchise. These characters have been reinterpreted countless times, and everyone has their own view. Some takes are better than others.
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