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I must defend Ashlee Simpson

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KarishBHR

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Wow, everyone on this forum hates her... but I respect her, and so should you for the following reason.

This summer, my 18 year old brother died of cancer, but before that happened, I was to do a bone marrow transplant at St. Jude's hospital (which sadly never happened, although, I was at St. Judes for 10 days). During my stay at St. Judes, my Dad told me Ashlee Simpson was going to do a free concert at one of the "apartments" where the families of many ill children stay. I went to the concert, as did 50 other people (many hairless, very sick children), and it was sooo bittersweet. She made these kids soo happy, something all of them really needed. She also sang accusticly, and she has a great voice (regardless of some recent evidence).

So next time you think about dissing her, remember that she's at the very least a decent person, if not a decent singer
 

Kon Tiki

Banned
Did she do that without her father and agent telling her to? You know, out of the goodness of her heart and not for publicity?
 

MC Safety

Member
It was a very nice thing she did.

I'm still not a fan, but this does remind me that people have many facets to them. All we hear is about how manufactured this woman is -- which is largely true, but she's also very human and capable of acts of great kindness and charity.
 
If she's a real humanitarian, then that's great. Really. I'm happy to hear that she was able to raise the spirits of sick children. However, that's not what's in question. She's in the public eye as a professional singer, not a humanitarian. She could be the next Mother Theresa, and people are going to mock her for being a crappy singer, because that's the profession that she has chosen. Until she proves herself as a capable singer, she will receive criticism, and rightfully so.
 

KarishBHR

Member
Im telling you, she has a good voice... something must have happened, maybe she's stressed it out too much, but when I heard her, I was very impressed
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
I think the true crime against humanity is that her voice is the last one those kids are likely to hear.

My belated condolences for your brother, though.
 

karasu

Member
If you've watched her show you'd know that she had some really serious vocal problems when her album was just about to come up. It's all well documented, her vocal chords were fugly. It's no surprise that they still bother her from time to time, and who hasn't sounded awful live at least a few times? People just like bashing what's popularly bashed. Most of these 'feelings' expressed aren't even real, they're in reaction to.
 
I will go on the record and say that I think Ashlee Simpson is really cute. Hot even. And the fact that everyone thinks she sucks on stage makes her even more accessable to ME!

I can see the convo now:

"You really think I'm a good performer?"

"Yes, yes you are."

"Oh that's soooo sweet of you! Nobody has said that to me other than my father!"

"In fact I think you're a better singer than your older sister. You're that damn talented!"

"You're the greatest, The Black Stallion!"

"No Ashlee, you are."

*hugs*

"
HA-HA! GOCHABITCH!
"

"What?"

"Oh, I said, I've got an itch!"

You KNOW after that I would be stickin' it in NO TIME. I'd let her lipsync on my dick any time. Any time. If you wouldn't, you probably perfer the company of men.

Peace.
 
I don't see why everyone's so angry at her. I think she has an amazing voice, I must've played Pieces of Me about 60-70 times in one week when it was hot.

Guess some people take jealousy too far though, I mean here's a kid half the haters' age earning more in one day than most will in a lifetime.
 

Lambtron

Unconfirmed Member
The Black Stallion said:
I'd let her lipsync on my dick any time. Any time. If you wouldn't, you probably perfer the company of men.
I'd prefer not having some sort of nacho STD. I like not having it burn when I take a piss, and I think that green pus oozing out of my penis would be a bit of a turnoff.

Or maybe I just don't want to "get with" a fake ho.







No wait, you're right, I'm just gay.
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
The Black Stallion said:
I will go on the record and say that I think Ashlee Simpson is really cute. Hot even.

crying_b.jpg


Jessica, yes
Ashlee, no
 

cvxfreak

Member
I enjoyed Ashlee Simpson on 7th Heaven. She should stick to acting IMO, she's decent at it.

And I'm sorry about your brother.
 
Freestyler said:
I don't see why everyone's so angry at her. I think she has an amazing voice, I must've played Pieces of Me about 60-70 times in one week when it was hot.

Guess some people take jealousy too far though, I mean here's a kid half the haters' age earning more in one day than most will in a lifetime.
I just think that the defense by the topic starter was mostly irrelevant. Granted, he did mention that her voice sounded fine that day, but otherwise, it came across as "I'm defending her merit as a singer by mentioning what a great person she is offstage." It was a nice anecdote, but will do little to silence the detractors who are insulting her for her singing ability. Now, if she really does have a wonderful voice, evidence to that effect will be better than anecdotal evidence of her generosity.
 

spliced

Member
You can't let it get to you what is said on this board and the rest of the net, people are so negative and pick everything apart. If you like her great, there are lots of other people that like her and support her.
 
I hope you're not talking to me when you say I can't let it get to me. I couldn't care less what people on this board think; she'll still sell millions of albums and bring in plenty of cash. I'm sure she's a lot happier than most here.
 
I don't think anyone here has a personal vendetta against Ashlee. She just happens to represent everything that is wrong with the music industry. It may be true that she has a decent voice, but this is not evident from her televised live performances. Her lyrics are trite as is her act. She seems to be attempting to mimick Avril Lavigne's career down to the last anarchy symbol. That's not to say she isn't a decent person, she's just become a scapegoat for the cause. There are thousands of excellent singer/songwriter's out there who don't have a record contract because their sister isn't Jessica Simpson.

My deepest condolences to your family. It is never easy to lose someone so early.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
I think the problem alot of people have with Ashlee Simpson is that she didn't really earn her way into notoriety. Most singers start from humble beginnings and meek their way up to someone respected. Ashlee just kind of decided 'hey, singing might be cool' and used her obvious family connections and MTV to basically fabricate an image and career. Basically overnight she went from this girl-next-door cute blond girl that did guest spots on 7th Heaven to a punkish-looking, darker 'Anarchy is teh cool' girl. Even her sister Jessica from being basically an unknown in the Christian music arena to the dingy media darling we all love today.

Frankly, I think most of Ashlee's 'talent' comes from post-production, which can do some amazing stuff these days, including altering the pitch and quality of sound from a singer. I'm sure she's a nice person, and she's certainly making more money than anyone presently posting on GAF, but I can appreciate some of the criticism directed towards her.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother, and I wish the best for you and your family during these trying times.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
trippingmartian said:
I don't think anyone here has a personal vendetta against Ashlee. She just happens to represent everything that is wrong with the music industry.

:lol

It's nothing personal, you see...it's just that you're the embodiment of pure evil. That's all. Don't take it the wrong way.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
Archaix said:
:lol

It's nothing personal, you see...it's just that you're the embodiment of pure evil. That's all. Don't take it the wrong way.

Her and Tom Brady would make a good couple.
 

Shinobi

Member
The Black Stallion said:
I will go on the record and say that I think Ashlee Simpson is really cute. Hot even. And the fact that everyone thinks she sucks on stage makes her even more accessable to ME!

I can see the convo now:

"You really think I'm a good performer?"

"Yes, yes you are."

"Oh that's soooo sweet of you! Nobody has said that to me other than my father!"

"In fact I think you're a better singer than your older sister. You're that damn talented!"

"You're the greatest, The Black Stallion!"

"No Ashlee, you are."

*hugs*

"
HA-HA! GOCHABITCH!
"

"What?"

"Oh, I said, I've got an itch!"

You KNOW after that I would be stickin' it in NO TIME. I'd let her lipsync on my dick any time. Any time. If you wouldn't, you probably perfer the company of men.

Peace.

:lol :lol :lol

What ticks me off about the Ashlee Simpson is the hypocrisy of it all. In the first place, she's hardly the first artist in the history of music to be "manufactured" for reasons other then her voice, and she sure as hell won't be the last. So why people are acting like she committed mass murder is beyond me. Secondly, half the people who claim to hate the quick rise to fame of artists and the music industry's propensity to manufacturer acts, are the same dumb fucks who tune into American Idol every week to see the same fucking manufacturing process get enacted before their very eyes. That they can't see that while whining about people like Ashlee is frankly comical.
 
Shinobi said:
Secondly, half the people who claim to hate the quick rise to fame of artists and the music industry's propensity to manufacturer acts, are the same dumb fucks who tune into American Idol every week to see the same fucking manufacturing process get enacted before their very eyes.
I can assure you that I am not part of the half that you are referring to in that (half?) blanket statement.
 

Lambtron

Unconfirmed Member
Shinobi said:
What ticks me off about the Ashlee Simpson is the hypocrisy of it all. In the first place, she's hardly the first artist in the history of music to be "manufactured" for reasons other then her voice, and she sure as hell won't be the last. So why people are acting like she committed mass murder is beyond me. Secondly, half the people who claim to hate the quick rise to fame of artists and the music industry's propensity to manufacturer acts, are the same dumb fucks who tune into American Idol every week to see the same fucking manufacturing process get enacted before their very eyes. That they can't see that while whining about people like Ashlee is frankly comical.

Hey, mang, I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate all manufactured music, and American Idol is the kind of tripe that pisses me off-- it's essentially a show to sell some records, it serves no other purpose.

I had an interesting conversation with my father one night a couple years back. I was going to a show at a local dive bar. He asked me why I would bother going to see a band "that could only get a show at that shithole." It's pretty funny that quality of music is equated with the exposure it receives. Ween has more talent when they take a dump than Ashlee Simpson, Lindsey Lohan, Hilary Duff, Kelly Clarkson, et al. have, will ever have, or have ever had. And I'm so tired of these dime-a-dozen no-talent AutoTuned cunts becoming famous... but in a society where quality doesn't need to exist, it just needs to be implied (look at our recent presidential election, or the top 10 movies this weekend), this shit won't stop.
 

fart

Savant
not everyone has the same ear. some people (most people in fact) love autotuned crap because it is always in tune. true fucking story.

these manufactured acts are produced to appeal to the widest possible audience. i don't see the problem in that really, as far as the audience is concerned. if it makes people happy to listen to britney ashlee or hilarious duff, whatever, more power to 'em. sure, there are social problems with the way young girls are portrayed when you have this manufacturing, but it has nothing to do with people not liking ween. it's a more pathological issue and it has to do with the following:

what i do have a problem with is the media majors freezing out musicians who aren't manufactured to maximize profits on the ones who are. when the industry is limiting information so that only their cultural vision is propagated, the public is unnecessarily manipulated. when you consider this, sure, the likes of ashlee simpson do everyone a disservice, but the axis of this is not ashlee simpson herself or the fact that people enjoy her music.

well, sorry about your brother anyways
 
Shinobi said:
:lol :lol :lol

What ticks me off about the Ashlee Simpson is the hypocrisy of it all. In the first place, she's hardly the first artist in the history of music to be "manufactured" for reasons other then her voice, and she sure as hell won't be the last. So why people are acting like she committed mass murder is beyond me. Secondly, half the people who claim to hate the quick rise to fame of artists and the music industry's propensity to manufacturer acts, are the same dumb fucks who tune into American Idol every week to see the same fucking manufacturing process get enacted before their very eyes. That they can't see that while whining about people like Ashlee is frankly comical.

Umm.....I think the way they were touting Idol as a 'true talent show' was since the singers sing live they are 'talented'. Then they release shit songs\covers that pollute the airwaves. Live from what I hear on Morning shows etc they are not that bad- singing wise- well better than Ashlee Simpson.
 

Shinobi

Member
Fresh Prince said:
Umm.....I think the way they were touting Idol as a 'true talent show' was since the singers sing live they are 'talented'. Then they release shit songs\covers that pollute the airwaves. Live from what I hear on Morning shows etc they are not that bad- singing wise- well better than Ashlee Simpson.

Yeah, it's great that they touted it as a true talent show...but aren't they singing nothing but other people's songs? I wouldn't know for sure, cause I don't watch the shit. And where are the live bands? How come that's absent?

Bottom line is the stuff that's produced and sold after the shows are wrapped up by these artists is manufactured music. Watching such a process while crucifying Ashlee for being part of the same process is simply bullshit.
 

Azih

Member
No you see, the problem isn't that Ashlee lipsynchs, the problem is that she got caught lipsynching.
 

Agent Dormer

Dirty Drinking Smoker
The Black Stallion said:
I will go on the record and say that I think Ashlee Simpson is really cute. Hot even. And the fact that everyone thinks she sucks on stage makes her even more accessable to ME!

I can see the convo now:

"You really think I'm a good performer?"

"Yes, yes you are."

"Oh that's soooo sweet of you! Nobody has said that to me other than my father!"

"In fact I think you're a better singer than your older sister. You're that damn talented!"

"You're the greatest, The Black Stallion!"

"No Ashlee, you are."

*hugs*

"
HA-HA! GOCHABITCH!
"

"What?"

"Oh, I said, I've got an itch!"

You KNOW after that I would be stickin' it in NO TIME. I'd let her lipsync on my dick any time. Any time. If you wouldn't, you probably perfer the company of men.

Peace.

Way to ruin the fucking thread, asshat.

Sorry about your brother, Karish.
 

Shinobi

Member
Azih said:
No you see, the problem isn't that Ashlee lipsynchs, the problem is that she got caught lipsynching.

So did Lindsy Lohan...and she hasn't received half the heat that Ashlee has.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
That talentless ho-bag can eat a dizzick. :lol Seriously, it's very nice that she sang for those cancer patients, you can't hate on that. But it doesn't change the fact that the bitch has no talent, and has been exposed, not once, but twice on national television. My tv didn't lie to me. Boo-urns, ho-down. :lol PEACE.
 

Dilbert

Member
KarishBHR: I'm sorry to hear about your brother. I'm sorry that you're having to go through that kind of loss so early in life.

trippingmartian said:
She seems to be attempting to mimick Avril Lavigne's career down to the last anarchy symbol.
The irony, of course, is Avril is just as manufactured. I think we'd have to start inventing new adjectives at that point. It would be like a young band imitating Oasis to the nth degree without ever having heard the Beatles.

Shinobi said:
What ticks me off about the Ashlee Simpson is the hypocrisy of it all. In the first place, she's hardly the first artist in the history of music to be "manufactured" for reasons other then her voice, and she sure as hell won't be the last. So why people are acting like she committed mass murder is beyond me. Secondly, half the people who claim to hate the quick rise to fame of artists and the music industry's propensity to manufacturer acts, are the same dumb fucks who tune into American Idol every week to see the same fucking manufacturing process get enacted before their very eyes. That they can't see that while whining about people like Ashlee is frankly comical.
Your hyperbole is annoying. Someone can't find manufactured pop stars objectionable without "acting like she committed mass murder?" Most people who find Ashlee annoying are "dumb fucks" who also watch American Idol?
 

Azih

Member
Shinobi said:
So did Lindsy Lohan...and she hasn't received half the heat that Ashlee has.
Yeah but Lohan is more of an actor that sings on the side and she didn't get to where she is by having a famous family member. Ashlee on the other hand is nothing more than a singer and the only reason she is anywhere near a contract is because of Jessica. The situations are different.

And still if Ashlee hadn't been caught lipsynching on SNL none of this would be an issue, she woulda lipsynched through the Super bowl game and things would have progressed as normal.
 

Shinobi

Member
-jinx- said:
Your hyperbole is annoying. Someone can't find manufactured pop stars objectionable without "acting like she committed mass murder?" Most people who find Ashlee annoying are "dumb fucks" who also watch American Idol?

I said "half", not "most", Mr "I don't like hyperbole but let me throw some out there myself!!". And my point doesn't change BTW...Lohan got exposed on the same show that Ashlee did, but I don't see much rage being thrown her way (in terms of vocals anyhow).

What I'm trying to get at is that people should be letting loose on the business, as opposed to the artist. Products like Ashlee are a dime a dozen.







Azih said:
Yeah but Lohan is more of an actor that sings on the side and she didn't get to where she is by having a famous family member. Ashlee on the other hand is nothing more than a singer and the only reason she is anywhere near a contract is because of Jessica. The situations are different.

And still if Ashlee hadn't been caught lipsynching on SNL none of this would be an issue, she woulda lipsynched through the Super bowl game and things would have progressed as normal.

I don't see the difference...Ashlee is said to only be a star because she's Jessica's sis. Lindsay's only cutting tracks because she looks good enough to have a pictorial in Rolling Stone. Both reasons are shallow as fuck, and don't have much of anything to do with their singing talent, or lack thereof. Bottom line is that Lindsay is able to get a SNL performance with little paying of dues, instead of a legit artist that has the misfortune of not appearing in a half dozen Disney roles. It isn't that much different to Ashlee.

Having said all that, Ashlee's interview about her denouncing lipsynching barely days and weeks before her SNL disaster doesn't help her cause. :lol







Incognito said:
I'm not a fan of Shinobi's liberal use of hyperbole either, -jinx-. What's the deal, Shinobi?

:lol Bite me Incocknito...
 

pestul

Member
Agent Dormer said:
Way to ruin the fucking thread, asshat.

Sorry about your brother, Karish.
If anything, I thought it enhanced the thread. ;)

Well, there are certainly a lot of other performers out there that this could have happened to. .. probably made them quake in their boots a little. Bottom line though, she still is getting a lot of attention out of this even if it is bad press. That was a very kind gesture on her part to do that free show though..
 

Azih

Member
Shinobi said:
I don't see the difference...Ashlee is said to only be a star because she's Jessica's sis.
said? that there is what we call fact mang.

Lindsay's only cutting tracks because she looks good enough to have a pictorial in Rolling Stone.
Plus her acting career

Both reasons are shallow as fuck,
One is not as shallow as the other.

It isn't that much different to Ashlee.
Yes it is. Like I explained in my first post. She didn't get caught lipsynching.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
KarishBHR said:
Wow, everyone on this forum hates her... but I respect her, and so should you for the following reason.

This summer, my 18 year old brother died of cancer, but before that happened, I was to do a bone marrow transplant at St. Jude's hospital (which sadly never happened, although, I was at St. Judes for 10 days). During my stay at St. Judes, my Dad told me Ashlee Simpson was going to do a free concert at one of the "apartments" where the families of many ill children stay. I went to the concert, as did 50 other people (many hairless, very sick children), and it was sooo bittersweet. She made these kids soo happy, something all of them really needed. She also sang accusticly, and she has a great voice (regardless of some recent evidence).

So next time you think about dissing her, remember that she's at the very least a decent person, if not a decent singer
well i dont think anyone here feels that she's a bad person or lacks compassion, almost everyone just take issue with the fact that she has no business being in an industry that demands something she lacks - talent.
 

Azih

Member
I'd also like to point out that Ashlee should thank her lucky stars that she got caught out in an era as jaded and cynical as ours. Milli Vanilli got crucified, shunned, and abandoned; Ashlee Simpson gets booed. Boo freaking Hoo.
 

Shinobi

Member
Azih said:
Yes it is. Like I explained in my first post. She didn't get caught lipsynching.

Er, I guess you must've missed it...she was caught synching those lips (or at least trying to) barely a month ago (it was on Good Morning America though, not SNL). That you didn't know about this simply punctuates my point.





scorcho said:
almost everyone just take issue with the fact that she has no business being in an industry that demands something she lacks - talent.

:lol :lol :lol If the business demanded talent, we wouldn't see a never ending churn of manufactured icons for the teens and MTV to jack off to.

The only thing the business demands is making money...and the more they control an artist, the more money they make (or more specifically, keep).
 

Azih

Member
Shinobi said:
Er, I guess you must've missed it...she was caught synching those lips (or at least trying to) barely a month ago (it was on Good Morning America though, not SNL). That you didn't know about this simply punctuates my point.

Probably, different audiences. SNL demographic much less forgiving than Good Morning America.
 
By the way, the controversy over Milli Vanilli wasn't that they were lipsynching their songs in concert. It was that the two clowns weren't even performing the songs in the first place. Completely different people recorded the songs, and those guys pretended they were the performers.
 

Azih

Member
Kobun Heat said:
By the way, the controversy over Milli Vanilli wasn't that they were lipsynching their songs in concert. It was that the two clowns weren't even performing the songs in the first place. Completely different people recorded the songs, and those guys pretended they were the performers.

With the insane amount of production nowadays the same is really true for Ashlee Simpson, if only Milli Vanilli had that kind of technology....
 
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