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[J-Rzez]

i5 760 just came out

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115067

So, looking at it dropping down to 32nm, slightly faster clock, and it has HT? For $15 more I guess that doesn't look too bad, though I won't get that nice combo with the mobo from the other deal. But I notice people said about the old 750 was the lack of HT no?

 

[projekt84]

So, looking at it dropping down to 32nm, slightly faster clock, and it has HT? For $15 more I guess that doesn't look too bad, though I won't get that nice combo with the mobo from the other deal. But I notice people said about the old 750 was the lack of HT no?

Yup. And 760 has lower power consumption.

 

[J-Rzez]

Yup. And 760 has lower power consumption.

Nice, well that takes care of that then.

Now as far as mobo's go. I'm looking at an EVGA due to the fact that the only products, piece of gear I never had fail on my were my EVGA cards, I thought I'd give them a go. Any thoughts on their mobo's?

 

[Sloegr]

The board should run both in dual channel to the slower RAMs settings and timings.

Ideally you should buy the same brand and run them at the same speeds / voltage / timings. Set that up in BIOS.

Thanks. I'm not even sure I'll end up with the same brand, but they'll both be paired with their identical RAM (2x1 GB on one channel, 2x2 GB on the other). Hopefully it'll work!

 

[undu]

So, looking at it dropping down to 32nm, slightly faster clock, and it has HT? For $15 more I guess that doesn't look too bad, though I won't get that nice combo with the mobo from the other deal. But I notice people said about the old 750 was the lack of HT no?

AFAIK it's an oveclocked 750, so it's stil a 45nm CPU.

 

[J-Rzez]

AFAIK it's an oveclocked 750, so it's stil a 45nm CPU.

Yeah, I just did a search on it, looks like newegg put in the wrong numbers though. Oh well, looks like it's still a solid update for $15 though.

Damnit, looks like no HT in it as well. I may just go back to that 750/evga combo then after all.

 

[demosthenes]

FINALLY posting from the new computer, pics to follow.

 

[Diablohead]

When I first asked about speedfan and found out that my pc was running fairly hot under load I fixed the problem but I also thought it was the problem giving me the "snow" white dots in TF2, turns out that's not the case.

I tried a mix of things including running at stock cpu/gpu and 100% fans to keep everything low as can be, I even turned up everything so the graphics card would hit that 72C I use to get in the past but no matter what I do TF2 has the snow effect, but it's not one pixel big it's like 8 wide and 2 high, only appears on the walls and ceilings when I move around otherwise its all normal.

I'm putting it down to the source engine as I can't fix it, only noticed the problem a few months back, it's just disappointing to see it all the time even when running cool. It might be pointless but i'll try the game under DX8 so there's less shaders going on.

In other news I can run my pc OC rather well imo with my e7400 running up to 3.2GHZ and my gtx 260 raised from 576 / 1242 up to 656 / 1414 without any problems, give's a nice performance boost in games i've tried it with so far.

 

[kinggroin]

*sigh*


Waiting for my PC parts is killing me.

I'm dying to get back to finishing Episode 1, 2 and Zenoclash.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Double Post.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Flying_Phoenix
In multicore apps:

X6 1055T 2.8Ghz $199 ~ i7 920-930 2.66-2.8Ghz $289~
X6 1090T 3.2Ghz $299 ~ i7 950-960 3.06-3.2Ghz $550~

Overclockd to 4Ghz the X6 just wipe the floor to any i7 at same clocks except 980X six-core. In games just getting a better gpu with the price difference.

I see. So if I use an overclocked AMD processor it will wide the floor with a regular clocked i7 and it will be at a cheaper price.


So what's the best cooler for the buck? Or the cheapest? I mean does it really matter?

 

[atomsk]

In other news I can run my pc OC rather well imo with my e7400 running up to 3.2GHZ and my gtx 260 raised from 576 / 1242 up to 656 / 1414 without any problems, give's a nice performance boost in games i've tried it with so far.

I'm waiting on a CM Hyper 212+ before attempting to OC to 3.5.

I just put in a 5850, g.skill ram and a new PSU... and I've gotten 6 BSOD in the past 3 days. It usually happens overnight, and I'm really hoping it's the ram. >_<

 

[Lion Heart]

Anyone? Is $90 canadian a good price for a used DIAMOND ATI RADEON HD 4850 1GB

 

[MiniBossman]

hi guys,

currently I am rocking a frankensteined Q6600 & a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P with 4 gb of ram and a old Geforce 7600GT

It is a disaster. Its highly unstable, and reboots randomly at any time. So its time for a all new rig.

I've got a baby on the way, so this will be the last hurrah for some time.

I don't do too much PC gaming. The most recent thing I played was Fear and Sins of a Solar Empire. I might like to play Crysis 1 at some point, and maybe Star Craft 2 when it gets down to like $20.

My primary uses for this pc would be photo and video editing. Also I would be running VMware on the system as I am often studying for MCSE and other certification exams.

Here is what I spec-ed out. Is this overkill? Anything that is overpriced, bad parts? Missing anything?

One concern is power. I will be adding at least 3 more hard drives to the system from the frankenstein for storage. Thanks for your help!

 

[Kintaro]

What kind of power supply to these Fermis need to run well? I'm rocking a GeForce 260 right now and need to know how much to put away for video card fund before FF XIV. I'm running a nice Corsair 600W modular supply right now. Looking into that GTX 460 1 GB as it seems like a good leap over my current card.

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

Flying_Phoenix
For stock speed the stock fan is enough. For overclock CM Hyper 212+ is a champion specially when added a second 120mm fan.


MiniBossman
For photo/video editing and virtualization a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2Ghz ($299) is by far better than the i7 you want to buy. For a budget X6 1055T 2.8Ghz $199 is the best bang for the buck for heavy uses.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250607

MB:
Asus M4A89GTD PRO.

And 875K is overpriced for what it is.

Let SSD's drop in price. In one year that SSD will be almost junk with the newer and faster models.


Kintaro
HD6000 comes before end year, that will be a better jump. A 6770 (similar to a 5850 wich is better than a 460) for probably less than $180.

 

[Kintaro]

Kintaro
HD6000 comes before end year, that will be a better jump. A 6770 (similar to a 5850 wich is better than a 460) for probably less than $180.

I'll hold off then. Thanks for the info. A new video card for FF XIV, Cataclysm and more would make a nice Xmas present to myself.

 

[B-Dex]

This might be the wrong place to ask but I thought some of you PC people might be able to help me out.

Googling has been fruitless.

I have a Logitech X-540 5.1 speaker setup and I use RealTek HD audio from my mobo but when I play mp3s in itunes it only comes out of the center speaker. Shouldn't it be coming out of the front speakers?

When i test the speaker config (it's set to 5.1) all the sounds come from the appropriate speakers and if I set the config to Stereo music plays fine from the front speakers.

 

[Minsc]

MiniBossman
For photo/video editing and virtualization a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2Ghz ($299) is by far better than the i7 you want to buy.

Definitely not "by far" unless you think a 10% improvement on average (many graphic/video tests like photoshop it is slower) is "by far". Clock for clock I'm not even sure it comes out ahead overall over dozens of apps.

Clock for clock the i7 980X beats the X6s by 50-100%, there's your whooping.

Let SSD's drop in price. In one year that SSD will be almost junk with the newer and faster models.

Completely wrong.

SSDs from last year will not be "outdated" in five years, they do what they are meant to, obliterate traditional HDDs, and 5 years from now your last year's SSDs will still be doing that.

They're basically "fast enough." They do everything instantaneously, and will not be "junk."

Also, $200 buys you a top of the line SSD, that will last you for as long as you like. That's more than I can say about any GPU, CPU, or most other parts of a system. How you think that's overpriced is beyond me.

Edit:

Here's a nice hand-picked chart, showing the 870 beating the X6 by almost double. The 980X might be closer to triple the performance. There's many more charts here, and you'll see the X6 doesn't wipe the floor by any defining means of the i7.

 

[NarcissisticJay]

If I know Im going SLI for the GTX460s does it still make sense to get the 1GB versions or in SLI canthe 768MBs hold?

 

[Felix Lighter]

For photo/video editing and virtualization a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2Ghz ($299) is by far better than the i7 you want to buy. For a budget X6 1055T 2.8Ghz $199 is the best bang for the buck for heavy uses.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250607

MB:
Asus M4A89GTD PRO.

And 875K is overpriced for what it is.

I wouldn't say the 1090T is by far better, they seem to be right in the same ballpark:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/07/07/intel-core-i7-875k-review/4

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/07/07/intel-core-i7-875k-review/5

In the end, I think either chip would workout nicely but the 1090T or 1055T would help save money and the AMD chips may have a better upgrade path for the future.

 

[brain_stew]

When I first asked about speedfan and found out that my pc was running fairly hot under load I fixed the problem but I also thought it was the problem giving me the "snow" white dots in TF2, turns out that's not the case.

I tried a mix of things including running at stock cpu/gpu and 100% fans to keep everything low as can be, I even turned up everything so the graphics card would hit that 72C I use to get in the past but no matter what I do TF2 has the snow effect, but it's not one pixel big it's like 8 wide and 2 high, only appears on the walls and ceilings when I move around otherwise its all normal.

I'm putting it down to the source engine as I can't fix it, only noticed the problem a few months back, it's just disappointing to see it all the time even when running cool. It might be pointless but i'll try the game under DX8 so there's less shaders going on.

In other news I can run my pc OC rather well imo with my e7400 running up to 3.2GHZ and my gtx 260 raised from 576 / 1242 up to 656 / 1414 without any problems, give's a nice performance boost in games i've tried it with so far.

GTX 260s are great clockers. Try upping your memory a little and then unlock your core/shader and you'll probably be able to get more out of the core (use EVGA Precision from Guru3D if your current clocking program doesn't let you do this. You should be able to eek out ~700mhz on the core that way.

 

[brain_stew]

If I know Im going SLI for the GTX460s does it still make sense to get the 1GB versions or in SLI canthe 768MBs hold?

If you're using SLI then a 1GB framebuffer is going to be a bottleneck. SLI'd 768MB cards would be straight up stupid.

 

[brain_stew]

I wouldn't say the 1090T is by far better, they seem to be right in the same ballpark:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/07/07/intel-core-i7-875k-review/4

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/07/07/intel-core-i7-875k-review/5

In the end, I think either chip would workout nicely but the 1090T or 1055T would help save money and the AMD chips may have a better upgrade path for the future.

No "may" about it, they simply do. Can't say I'd recommend the 1090T thought, an unlocked multi is nice, but its not worth paying $100 for, the actual difference at stock is within margin of error.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Is it worth it getting the Fermi 460 GTX or should I just get a much cheaper video card for the time being until the HD6000 comes out? Will they be that much more powerful? Will they be cheaper than the Fermi?

 

[projekt84]

Is it worth it getting the Fermi 460 GTX or should I just get a much cheaper video card for the time being until the HD6000 comes out? Will they be that much more powerful? Will they be cheaper than the Fermi?

460 is the new hotness, i'd say there's no better time than now to get it

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

It's just that I still have my 8800GT still laying around and was wondering if I could just use that for the time being.

 

[brain_stew]

Is it worth it getting the Fermi 460 GTX or should I just get a much cheaper video card for the time being until the HD6000 comes out? Will they be that much more powerful? Will they be cheaper than the Fermi?

How about I have a look into my crystal ball................


The GTX 460 is currently the high end GPU offering the best "bang for buck." If you're currently unhappy with the current level of performance your GPU is offering you, you already have a quad core CPU, you'd feel happy with the level of performance shown in benchmarks and you have the cash spare then go ahead, otherwise don't bother.

 

[JoNike]

I'm waiting for my new computer to showed up but I have one or two question concerning SSD. I do not have crazy money to spent but if I fall upon a good deal on a 64gb SSD I may buy it. My computer is gonna be a gaming rig: Windows 7 64, i7 920, radeon HD 5870,6gb DDR3. If I buy a SSD, should I also install the OS on that SSD or I can only setup my games and steam folder on it?

 

[Salaadin]

I'm waiting for my new computer to showed up but I have one or two question concerning SSD. I do not have crazy money to spent but if I fall upon a good deal on a 64gb SSD I may buy it. My computer is gonna be a gaming rig: Windows 7 64, i7 920, radeon HD 5870,6gb DDR3. If I buy a SSD, should I also install the OS on that SSD or I can only setup my games and steam folder on it?

SSDs are primarily used as OS drives and for some apps that you use frequently (stuff like Office, photoshop). I see people use them for MMOs a lot too because of all the loading that they do. I primarily bought mine as an OS drive and for FFXIV.

As a new SSD owner myself, I highly recommend them. Everything I keep on there is so snappy. Tbh, I kinda wish not going bigger than 64GB. Something tells me that in the next year, Im going to own another one.

 

[darthbob]

How about I have a look into my crystal ball................


The GTX 460 is currently the high end GPU offering the best "bang for buck."

I wouldn't consider it a 'high end' GPU at all.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

How about I have a look into my crystal ball................


The GTX 460 is currently the high end GPU offering the best "bang for buck." If you're currently unhappy with the current level of performance your GPU is offering you, you already have a quad core CPU, you'd feel happy with the level of performance shown in benchmarks and you have the cash spare then go ahead, otherwise don't bother.

I think I'll hold off now and wait until the end of the year. I can use the extra $230 on a SSD.

 

[Haint]

AFAIK it's an oveclocked 750, so it's stil a 45nm CPU.

Is that yours undu, or is it from another forum? I'd be interested in reading someone's experience with it.

 

[Hazaro]

Now I'm reading different comments all over the place, and I've been out of the loop lately. I'm looking at either an i5 or i7. I noticed a lot of people here going with the i5, and wondered why that is?

I do very-very little video encoding, and more so use the rig to game on than anything else. What would be a better fit for me?

Overclocked i5 750.

I was under the impression that the i7's wipe the floor with the hexacore AMD CPU's for media production. How do the new hexacore AMD CPUs' compare to say the i7 920 (2.8GHZ) I picked out?

Anyway I'm mainly doing 2D animation on this with Toon Boom Animate 2.

And of course I'm also going to be playing the occasional game (Witcher 2 hype! ) but that's secondary.

I see. So if I use an overclocked AMD processor it will wide the floor with a regular clocked i7 and it will be at a cheaper price.

So what's the best cooler for the buck? Or the cheapest? I mean does it really matter?

Like I said before it depends on what software you are using. I don't know how each piece of editing/animation/etc. plays with Intel/AMD and its core usage. Try looking around for benchmarks / ask the forums of the software you use.

If your software can utilize 6 or more cores get the x6. If it favors Intel get an i5 750/760. If they are about the same I'd get an x6 since it's a better value and has an upgrade path.

Cooler to get is a 212+ from Amazon or Microcenter for $20 or $30.

Definitely not "by far" unless you think a 10% improvement on average (many graphic/video tests like photoshop it is slower) is "by far". Clock for clock I'm not even sure it comes out ahead overall over dozens of apps.

Clock for clock the i7 980X beats the X6s by 50-100%, there's your whooping.

Edit:

Here's a nice hand-picked chart, showing the 870 beating the X6 by almost double. The 980X might be closer to triple the performance. There's many more charts here, and you'll see the X6 doesn't wipe the floor by any defining means of the i7.

:lol Come on man. The image directly above the one has this...
Like I said it completely depends on what software you are using.

In general the i5/i7 is better at video/CS stuff. However certain software may make use of the extra cores. I'm just saying it can vary and people should look into it.

 

[ghst]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-148-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411

xfx 5850 for under £200 (uk).

it begins?

 

[brain_stew]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-148-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411

xfx 5850 for under £200 (uk).

it begins?

Nice, very nice.

I doubt this is a one off considering the card's from one of the most prestigous brands out there. That's a heck of a deal.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but isn't the HD6000 suppose to be a literal next generation GPU upgrade? This is what has me worried. I mean if it was just suppose to be marginally better that's one thing (as that's the world of technology) but not something at a completely different level all together.

Also Hazaro thanks for saving me $20!

EDIT - I edited my post Brain_Stew in case you took it the wrong way.

 

[LaneDS]

Can anyone recommend a good program to benchmark or test individual components? Free is of course preferred but willing to shell out a few bucks if need be.

Also, here's my current issue. I've been using my current machine but keeping it together with band-aids for quite some time and now it's finally getting to the point it just doesn't want to perform nicely. I cannot decide if I should just replace components or go with almost entirely new innards (replacing essentially everything except for the case and the video card). Here's what I'm using:

C2D @ 2.66GHz (E6750)
DP43TF Mobo (replaced an ASUS Maximus a while back, current mobo is very bare bones)
3GB of DDR2 (I forget the speed... can I check this via any of the benchmarking programs?)
Radeon HD 5770 1GB
A couple shitty hard drives that seem to be dying

Pretty sure the correct answer is just replace everything outside of the graphics card, but I'd like GAF's opinion.

Edit- Saw CPU-Z above and just messed with that, and I see my PC6400 DDR2 is running at only 400MHz, which seems like an obvious problem. Time to try and fix that.

 

[Hazaro]

Can anyone recommend a good program to benchmark or test individual components? Free is of course preferred but willing to shell out a few bucks if need be.

C2D @ 2.66GHz (E6750)
DP43TF Mobo (replaced an ASUS Maximus a while back, current mobo is very bare bones)
3GB of DDR2 (I forget the speed... can I check this via any of the benchmarking programs?)
Radeon HD 5770 1GB
A couple shitty hard drives that seem to be dying

Edit- Saw CPU-Z above and just messed with that, and I see my PC6400 DDR2 is running at only 400MHz, which seems like an obvious problem. Time to try and fix that.

What's up? Your parts are fine (Though your RAM is probably not dual channel). 400Mhz is PC6400. It's normal.

I'd say to overclock to extend the life of your system but don't you can on that motherboard.
A cheap upgrade would be to an x4 635 + a decent AM3 board. What exactly is the problem?

Run Prime95 to test CPU, run FURMARK to test the GPU, run memtest86+ to test RAM.

 

[Salaadin]

Any good SSD benchmark tools out there? Im curious if Im up to par with others.

 

[brain_stew]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but isn't the HD6000 suppose to be a literal next generation GPU upgrade? This is what has me worried. I mean if it was just suppose to be marginally better that's one thing (as that's the world of technology) but not something at a completely different level all together.

Also Hazaro thanks for saving me $20!

EDIT - I edited my post Brain_Stew in case you took it the wrong way.

Nope, only part of the new architecture is ready so a lot of the design will just be a tweaked RV870, at least those are the latest rumours and with TSMC's new process node behind scheduale again, it'd make sense.

 

[Hazaro]

Any good SSD benchmark tools out there? Im curious if Im up to par with others.

HDTach and... something else I can't remember.
*CrystalDiskMark

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Nope, only part of the new architecture is ready so a lot of the design will just be a tweaked RV870, at least those are the latest rumours and with TSMC's new process node behind scheduale again, it'd make sense.

Thanks alot brain_stew. I feel much better now.

Anyway in case anybody's interested in my progression here's my newest build (keep in mind I still have that cooler I'm going to buy):

 

[LaneDS]

What's up? Your parts are fine (Though your RAM is probably not dual channel). 400Mhz is PC6400. It's normal.

I'd say to overclock to extend the life of your system but don't you can on that motherboard.
A cheap upgrade would be to an x4 635 + a decent AM3 board. What exactly is the problem?

Run Prime95 to test CPU, run FURMARK to test the GPU, run memtest86+ to test RAM.

Thanks for the response, first off.

The system consistently has problems, whether it's random lockups, very slow hard drive performance, or consistently underwhelming performance in games like Starcraft 2 (I play on low settings just because it lags considerably on higher settings, despite the game recommending Ultra everything).

Dumb question on the dual channel thing, how can I get that working? The system actually has 6 GB present but I downgrade to XP so I can only use 3GB of it. There are 4 DIMMS, 2 1GB sticks and 2 GB sticks, all of which I believe are PC6400. My understanding of Dual Channel memory is clearly not very good.

 

[Gritesh]

Thanks alot brain_stew. I feel much better now.

Anyway in case anybody's interested in my progression here's my newest build (keep in mind I still have that cooler I'm going to buy):

Triple channel memory? Does that board support Triple Channel?

After looking at it, I don't think it does. Might want to get a dual-channel kit instead?

 

[BrassMonkey1010]

Quick question..I'm in the middle of my build(everything installed) but I am having a little trouble with the wiring. Are there any really in depth guides online that you can point me towards?

thanks

 

[MiniBossman]

So with the talk in the thread the i7 875K might be overrated?

What would be the better bang for my buck? and where might the savings be better spent?

 

[Gritesh]

So with the talk in the thread the i7 875K might be overrated?

What would be the better bang for my buck? and where might the savings be better spent?

Just going to throw this out there since I went with AMD.


But I would think you would be better set on getting the i5 750 and overclocking it, maybe other intel folks can help you out though.

Is there no way for you to get a hold of the 1gig card option on your 460?
For gaming at higher resolutions and on larger monitors that is the way to go. I don't know if I would get the 768 version, but it all depends on your budget and whats available to you I suppose.

 

[Nabs]

either grab the 750 or 860. save yourself $150

 

[Gritesh]

The CPU does seem pretty underpowered for the setup in question.

In fact, why not get an i5 750 for a tad more, considering you're going the watercooling route? The i5 should be a better overclocker.

edit: I guess the 720 would be great if you can get that fourth core unlocked...the problem is that it's not a sure thing.

I haven't looked into the X6...do they overclock as well as the 720/i5?

As I mentioned before, I picked up an X6 1055T for 200 bucks, threw a 212+ Heatsink + Fan on and OC'd it to 3.8ghz on air, running max temps at 48 degrees on full load.

6 cores at 3.8ghz, 48 degrees full load makes me VERRRRRY happy!