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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition

moojito said:
Following brain stew's good advice on not updating my gfx card to a 5770 without a decent cpu upgrade, I'm mulling over these two I found on novatech:


Novatech Motherboard Bundle - AMD II X4 635 - 4GB DDR2 800Mhz - Nvidia MCP61P

Novatech ATI Radeon 5770 1024MB GDDR5 TV-Out/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Graphics Card - Retail

I'm not after an amazing system, obviously. But something that would let me have a go at the more recent games would be nice, and running tf2/wow at the highest settings. Those two come to £308. Anyone have any dire warnings against any of those components before I order? The reason I'm going for the bundle is having had some awful luck building systems from scratch in the past. The motherboard bundle seems a nice middle spot.

Cheers in advance!

You don't want a board with DDR2. There should be a better bundle out there with a AM3 board with ddr3 support. This leaves a nice upgrade path open.
 
brain_stew said:
Stretch another $40 and you can afford an IPS panel from Viewsonic which will blow away anything else you can find in your budget:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...21&cm_re=viewsonic_ips-_-24-116-421-_-Product

If you have to get a TN panel due to cost, then make sure you don't spend more than $200. They're all roughly the same quality really and none are particularly fantastic (they're all 6 bit panels with horrendous viewing angles afterall) so its silly to spend a fortune on one.

The only possible exception is if you're looking at buying a 120hz panel but I think they may be outside of your price range anyway. Don't pay a premium for LED backlighting, its not worth it.


Edit:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

This'll do if you have to get a TN panel. Don't spend anything more than that though, you're just chucking money away.

Thank you for the suggestions. I will likely go with the Asus model that you linked. I'd rather stay in my budget rather than go on the cutting edge ATM.
 
Man, EVGA is starting to annoy the hell out of me.

They finally release a reference cooler (non-EE) GTX460 1GB card (cooler case, (much? less noise), but of course, all of them are TR versions (aka, 2 year warranty). The only cards that are AR (lifetime warranty) use the EE coolers. Ugh, I don't even know what to do anymore...

What would you guys do? I really insist on XFX or EVGA and a lifetime warranty. Think getting this at the cost of the EE cooler worth it?
 
Darkatomz said:
Man, EVGA is starting to annoy the hell out of me.

They finally release a reference cooler (non-EE) GTX460 1GB card (cooler case, (much? less noise), but of course, all of them are TR versions (aka, 2 year warranty). The only cards that are AR (lifetime warranty) use the EE coolers. Ugh, I don't even know what to do anymore...

What would you guys do? I really insist on XFX or EVGA and a lifetime warranty. Think getting this at the cost of the EE cooler worth it?

Drop the silly lifetime warranty requirement and get the much superior Gigabyte card. Its going to be damn near worthless after its 3 year warranty is up anyway, in practical terms its as good as a lifetime warranty.
 
brain_stew said:
There may not be any price drops at all and Bulldozer isn't expected until the second half of 2011.. The 1055T is a much better buy imo.

God damn, you always know what to say to tickle that sweet bone of mine xD.
Buying a 1055T would be such a sweet upgrade, and if the situation is indeed what you say it is then I would be silly not to strike!

<3
 
firehawk12 said:
I'm not sure if I should start a new thread or just ask here, but since this is where all the PC people are...

I have an okay gaming laptop but it's starting to act up with games (very framey, even on low settings/resolutions).

Brief specs:
Windows 7 Pro
Intel Core2 Duo T5800 2.00GHz @ 2 GHz
4GB System RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

I was just wondering if this a case of the hardware being too slow, or could there be a problem with one of the components (dying GPU/CPU)? I haven't played games in a while, but I tried Bioshock 2 and Mass Effect 2 again and they run very sluggishly. I seem to remember them being playable when they came out, but I can't remember now. Starcraft 2 is okay except when there are hundreds of units on screen (ie, Nexus Wars). At that point, the game just grinds to a halt for me.

If the specs are okay to play modern games on low settings, what can I do to see if there's a problem with my hardware?

Just quoting myself to see if I can get any advice... but I guess this isn't a laptop thread. :lol
 
brain_stew said:
Drop the silly lifetime warranty requirement and get the much superior Gigabyte card. Its going to be damn near worthless after its 3 year warranty is up anyway, in practical terms its as good as a lifetime warranty.
I know that, and I would have done it a while ago. But preference aside, I'm one of those sillies that still has a 20% off EVGA products from the SC2:CE preorder at GameStop, so in my mind, I'm stuck with them.

It's either get the GTX460 1GB EE, or wait for that 2GB GTX460 or rumored GTX475 :/
 
Mr Sandman said:
Just hooked my PC up to my big screen via HDMI and I love it. Got dual monitor setup with DVI going to my PC.

Can any one recommend me a decent (doesn't have to be amazing) wireless gaming mouse + keyboard set at a good price? DPI's not too much of a factor (the one I have is 1000 and it's good for me, the more the merrier though), however I'd like a left thumb button as I have gotten used to having it.

Whatever you get make sure it has a "Windows" key on it so you can "Window+P" to cycle through your screens.

I've been thinking about getting one of these -> http://usb.brando.com/usb-2-4ghz-rf-entertainment-slim-keyboard-with-smart-touchpad_p00973c034d15.html
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The numeric keypad is dual function as a trackpad and it does gesturing input as well. It isn't perfect but, it looks pretty and seems more functional that most. Sadly it's not Blue-tooth.

Another option I hope for down the road is a cheap Android Tablet with a wireless keyboard app.
 
Darkatomz said:
I know that, and I would have done it a while ago. But preference aside, I'm one of those sillies that still has a 20% off EVGA products from the SC2:CE preorder at GameStop, so in my mind, I'm stuck with them.

It's either get the GTX460 1GB EE, or wait for that 2GB GTX460 or rumored GTX475 :/

If you're getting 20% off then just get a GTX 470. Brings it GTX 460 prices while delivering way more performance.
 
mikespit1200 said:
Would a 500W Seasonic PSU be enough to power a AMD 1090T, 1 F1HDD, 4GB RAM, 1 DVD and 2 5770s in crossfire?

Seasonic is a pretty good brand, but I'd go a little higher just to be sure. Also get the spinpoint F3, it's better than the F1.
 
mikespit1200 said:
Would a 500W Seasonic PSU be enough to power a AMD 1090T, 1 F1HDD, 4GB RAM, 1 DVD and 2 5770s in crossfire?

I'd get a good 650 or 750 watt PSU to be sure, maybe a Seasonic X-650. You can find something like an Antec TP-650 for under $100. Actually, I paid $101 shipped for my Antec TP-750.
 
prelude514 said:
Hi guys. Thinking about upgrading my 775 CPU tonight and I wanted some opinions.

Rig:

Gigabyte UD3R (P45)
E7400 @ 403 x 9.5 = 3.83Ghz
8800 GTS 512
4GB DDR2

Running 2x 24" Viewsonic LED monitors

I found a used (year old) QX9650 for $250 Canadian and I was wondering if it would be a good upgrade performance wise for gaming and general use. I kind of want to max out my current platform before making a major upgrade.
Why the hell would you buy a 9650?

If you have that kind of change I'd get a new AM3 or i5 platform... I know you said you like to stay on your socket, but why? (For me it's reinstalling everything).

I'd just nab a GTX460 in your spot.
Yazus said:
I was thinking to upgrade my PC... Core2 Duo E4500 @2.2ghz, 4850 512MB, 2GB ram DDR2 etc etc... also my monitor is a 19" Acer 1440x900 @60hz.

This was ok last years, but now it wont even run WoW at ultra wt 60fps because my CPU is pure shit and my ram isnt even 800mhz.
Overclock to 3.0Ghz then decide what you want to do from there if you are still not happy.
A 4850 at that res should be great.
moojito said:
Novatech Motherboard Bundle - AMD II X4 635 - 4GB DDR2 800Mhz - Nvidia MCP61P

Novatech ATI Radeon 5770 1024MB GDDR5 TV-Out/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Graphics Card - Retail
Are you getting an AM2 board so you can reuse your DDR2?

I'd just get an AM3 board, there are plenty of cheap ones out there now.
mikespit1200 said:
Would a 500W Seasonic PSU be enough to power a AMD 1090T, 1 F1HDD, 4GB RAM, 1 DVD and 2 5770s in crossfire?
Should be fine.
If you already have it don't buy a new one and see if it works.
If you haven't ordered a PSU yet, upgrade a bit. Won't cost you much.
 
I recently upgraded to a 460 from my old GTS 8800 and it is working great. Is there anything productive I can do with the other 8800? If I slap it in the other slot will it actually benefit me in any way?

Thanks. <3
 
Pookaki said:
I recently upgraded to a 460 from my old GTS 8800 and it is working great. Is there anything productive I can do with the other 8800? If I slap it in the other slot will it actually benefit me in any way?

Thanks. <3

Physx, although it may not be worth the heat output.
 
mikespit1200 said:
Would a 500W Seasonic PSU be enough to power a AMD 1090T, 1 F1HDD, 4GB RAM, 1 DVD and 2 5770s in crossfire?

Why are you buying crossfire 5770!? :/


Pookaki said:
I recently upgraded to a 460 from my old GTS 8800 and it is working great. Is there anything productive I can do with the other 8800? If I slap it in the other slot will it actually benefit me in any way?

Thanks. <3
You can use it as a dedicated PhysX card if you have a spare PCIe x16 slot (even if it runs at a lower speed).
 
brain_stew said:
If you're getting 20% off then just get a GTX 470. Brings it GTX 460 prices while delivering way more performance.
There's like an $80 price difference. But do you have a bar graph I can look at? I look at every post here for the most part, but there's no way I'm memorizing every single post and statistic.
 
Well, time for some porn:

Before:

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Unboxing and preparing for operation "SWITCHOVER"

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Btw, good to have something relaxing on the TV while you are working!

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Phew...now that´s what I call spagetti:

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Final setup until I get some flat power cables and flat SATA cables:

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All done, for now:

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BTW, what are those flat power cables called that fit into my PSU?
 
all sorts of stuff, this PC is coupled with a 10M HDMI cable and a COAX to my Phillips HTS, which is grrrrrrrrrrrreat...btw...I recommend a HTPC over all of that other crap...customization is the key.

and use XBMC....it´s grrrrrrrrrrrrreat.
 
Hello guys, I asked about advice here about what PC parts to by last spring but I never got to it but now I really need a new computer.

My budget is 9000 SEK which is about $900 in the PC world and I'm going to use the computer for CAD and other design work and also some gaming at 1080p. I only intend to have this computer for 2 years and then hopefully I'll be done with the university then and can afford to get a new computer.

I'm going to use Hazaro's setup but I'm having a hard time to decide which combo of i5/1055T and 460/470/5850 is the best. To me it seems that the i5 is the best clock for clock but the 1055T can be better in the future but as I'm only planning to have this computer for 2 years I don't know if I should put much importance in that. Of course if the software will be using more cores as soon as within a year then the 1055T is the better buy I think?

A i5 760 and a 470/5850 with a $95 motherboard is exactly 9000 SEK but I'm thinking that it's maybe wiser to maybe get the 460 and have money left for a better motherboard, some fans and cooling for overclocking. I've never overclocked before but it seems easy enough.

What do you say?
 
rossonero said:
Hello guys, I asked about advice here about what PC parts to by last spring but I never got to it but now I really need a new computer.

My budget is 9000 SEK which is about $900 in the PC world and I'm going to use the computer for CAD and other design work and also some gaming at 1080p. I only intend to have this computer for 2 years and then hopefully I'll be done with the university then and can afford to get a new computer.

I'm going to use Hazaro's setup but I'm having a hard time to decide which combo of i5/1055T and 460/470/5850 is the best. To me it seems that the i5 is the best clock for clock but the 1055T can be better in the future but as I'm only planning to have this computer for 2 years I don't know if I should put much importance in that. Of course if the software will be using more cores as soon as within a year then the 1055T is the better buy I think?

A i5 760 and a 470/5850 with a $95 motherboard is exactly 9000 SEK but I'm thinking that it's maybe wiser to maybe get the 460 and have money left for a better motherboard, some fans and cooling for overclocking. I've never overclocked before but it seems easy enough.

What do you say?
If you're getting an i5 or 1055 then OC is a must as 2.8GHZ will bottleneck you. Pick up a GTX 460 and OC and get a decent CPU cooler and OC whatever CPU you end up getting to 4GHZ.
 
rossonero said:
Hello guys, I asked about advice here about what PC parts to by last spring but I never got to it but now I really need a new computer.

My budget is 9000 SEK which is about $900 in the PC world and I'm going to use the computer for CAD and other design work and also some gaming at 1080p.
Find out if i5 or 1055T is better for CAD / Design. If it is, get that.

Also an i5-750 + 460 is just fine. 760 is the same chip tmk.
 
Got a question. I've just recently built a new PC for gaming, but I am already thinking of adding more to it.

For starters, I'd like to SLI my graphics card. I am currently runing on a Gigabyte 1GB GTX 460, which on most games performs really well, but I'd still like to get some more power into my graphics and SLI it. My doubts are the following though. Would SLIng 2 460s be worth it when I have a 1156 i7? I've heard that you really can't get everything out of a SLI set up with those CPUs. Another thing would be, would I need to upgrade my PSU in order to handle both cards? I know my PSU can theoretically handle both of them, as I have enough connectors to power them, but my PSU is 650w, so I don't know if I'd be supplying enough power to them without harming my system.

And on the related note of having the issue with the 1156, I was actually wondering if I should just upgrade to a 1366 i7. I haven't had any issues with performance what so ever with my current one, but if it's going to be a problem with SLIing cards in the future, I might end up upgrading right now anyways, while I have the resources to do so.
 
Forbiden said:
Got a question. I've just recently built a new PC for gaming, but I am already thinking of adding more to it.

For starters, I'd like to SLI my graphics card. I am currently runing on a Gigabyte 1GB GTX 460, which on most games performs really well, but I'd still like to get some more power into my graphics and SLI it. My doubts are the following though. Would SLIng 2 460s be worth it when I have a 1156 i7? I've heard that you really can't get everything out of a SLI set up with those CPUs. Another thing would be, would I need to upgrade my PSU in order to handle both cards? I know my PSU can theoretically handle both of them, as I have enough connectors to power them, but my PSU is 650w, so I don't know if I'd be supplying enough power to them without harming my system.

And on the related note of having the issue with the 1156, I was actually wondering if I should just upgrade to a 1366 i7. I haven't had any issues with performance what so ever with my current one, but if it's going to be a problem with SLIing cards in the future, I might end up upgrading right now anyways, while I have the resources to do so.

If your second PCIe slot runs at 8x or higher you'll be fine.

If your PSU is from a decent brand you'll be fine there as well. You'd have to be insane to go from a 1156 i7 to a 1366 i7, they're practically the same chips and no game comes close to making full use of them yet.
 
Forbiden said:
Got a question. I've just recently built a new PC for gaming, but I am already thinking of adding more to it.

For starters, I'd like to SLI my graphics card. I am currently runing on a Gigabyte 1GB GTX 460, which on most games performs really well, but I'd still like to get some more power into my graphics and SLI it. My doubts are the following though. Would SLIng 2 460s be worth it when I have a 1156 i7? I've heard that you really can't get everything out of a SLI set up with those CPUs. Another thing would be, would I need to upgrade my PSU in order to handle both cards? I know my PSU can theoretically handle both of them, as I have enough connectors to power them, but my PSU is 650w, so I don't know if I'd be supplying enough power to them without harming my system.

And on the related note of having the issue with the 1156, I was actually wondering if I should just upgrade to a 1366 i7.
It's more the 1156 board vs the x58. The 1156 is meant to be mainstream and most don't have a second, or full bandwidth PCI-E slot.

Also getting a GTX480 would be a lot easier.
 
I have an Antec PSU, which I've heard are pretty good. As far as my second PCI-e, I actually don't know what the speed is on it. This is my current board.

Also, I am not sure if getting a 480 would be better. I know for a fact that there is maybe a 2 inch space between my current 460 and the hard drive bays, so I am not even sure a 480 would fit my case either way. In the case that I do end up getting one though, would it really be better than 2x 460, and more importantly, would my PSU also be able to handle it?
 
brain_stew said:
Still using TN panels!? :/

I'm surprised you haven't been be-headed by the TN panel defense force. There's quite a few people here who swear by them (and even more who will argue 120hz monitors > every other feature there is).
 
Forbiden said:
I have an Antec PSU, which I've heard are pretty good. As far as my second PCI-e, I actually don't know what the speed is on it. This is my current board.

Also, I am not sure if getting a 480 would be better. I know for a fact that there is maybe a 2 inch space between my current 460 and the hard drive bays, so I am not even sure a 480 would fit my case either way. In the case that I do end up getting one though, would it really be better than 2x 460, and more importantly, would my PSU also be able to handle it?

Your second slot only runs at 4x speed so I can't recommend using it for SLI, heck I don't even think your board supports SLI anyway.

Your PSU will support a GTX 480 just fine.

Not sure on whether it'll fit, you'll ahve to look into it.
 
Random OC-questions.

How does the cpu-frequency and dram -frequency go together? In layman terms..

The reason I ask this is because, if I chose to OC my not yet bought phenom II x6 1055T 2.8ghz to 3.6-3.8 ghz, can I still keep my ram under 1066mhz?
 
Minsc said:
I'm surprised you haven't been be-headed by the TN panel defense force. There's quite a few people here who swear by them (and even more who will argue 120hz monitors > every other feature there is).

Great. One of them can buy my old 23" 1080p Fujitsu TN panel monitor off me! I don't want it anymore and could do with the cash. :lol
 
Minsc said:
I'm surprised you haven't been be-headed by the TN panel defense force. There's quite a few people here who swear by them (and even more who will argue 120hz monitors > every other feature there is).
There is a TN panel defense force?

<3 IPS
 
Ok, so I have a crap HP laptop right now. And I am going to be a senior in high school. In the next few months I will be purchasing a new laptop for college. Now of course I was looking into one that could play a few games. :D Something that will last the next 5 years, laptop wise. And nothing terribly expensive.

Any thoughts?
 
Game2Death said:
Ok, so I have a crap HP laptop right now. And I am going to be a senior in high school. In the next few months I will be purchasing a new laptop for college. Now of course I was looking into one that could play a few games. :D Something that will last the next 5 years, laptop wise. And nothing terribly expensive.

Any thoughts?

Gonna have to give us more than that to work on, and you're probably better off posting in the dedicated gaming laptop thread.

If you plan to keep it for 5 years (good luck finding a laptop that still works after that amount of time) and want to play games then you're going to have to try and go a little overkill on the GPU otherwise it'll start showing its age far too quickly.

Aim for at least a 5650 for comfortable gaming.
 
brain_stew said:
Your second slot only runs at 4x speed so I can't recommend using it for SLI, heck I don't even think your board supports SLI anyway.

Your PSU will support a GTX 480 just fine.

Not sure on whether it'll fit, you'll ahve to look into it.

Hmm well, the board says it's CrossFireX ready, so I can't see why it wouldn't support SLI.

If my PSU can handle the 480 without dying, I might just have to go with that, just going to have to measure my case to check and see if it can fit. That leads me to ask another question though. Would it even be worth it(if my board does end up supporting it) to SLI my 460 to a 480 performance wise given the speeds on the second PCI-e?
 
Forbiden said:
Hmm well, the board says it's CrossFireX ready, so I can't see why it wouldn't support SLI.

If my PSU can handle the 480 without dying, I might just have to go with that, just going to have to measure my case to check and see if it can fit. That leads me to ask another question though. Would it even be worth it(if my board does end up supporting it) to SLI my 460 to a 480 performance wise given the speeds on the second PCI-e?

Crossfire =/= SLI

You were planning to run SLI 460s but are worrying about your PSU supporting a single GTX 480? Why, a single GTX 480 draws much less power than SLI 460s do.

I don't know quite what you're asking at the end there, but regardless you're not running any sort of SLI rig on that motherboard and GTX 480 > SLI 1GB GTX 460s every time.
 
Ok, my turn for asking mighty GAF for upgrade. Here are my current specs (will try to be as precise as possible):

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz

Motherboard: GIGABYTE S-Series GA-EP31-DS3L

RAM: 4GB

GPU: Gainward GeForce GTX 260 896MB DDR3

OS: Vista


The others (Sound, HDD, etc.) are not important. All the components are running at their nominal values, nothing is overclocked.

I'm looking at not-so-expensive upgrade. I was thinking of simply adding 2x2GB RAM, and maybe overclocking the GPU a bit. What do you think GAF?
 
Castor Krieg said:
Ok, my turn for asking mighty GAF for upgrade. Here are my current specs (will try to be as precise as possible):

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz
Overclock to 3.0 or 3.2Ghz.
All you need.

1.30-1.35V
333*9

Done.
 
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