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Firestorm · Jan 25, 2010

Sanjay said:
Hey PC GAF, I have a French friend, Conceptor that needs a new graphics card, his old one froze to death living up in the cold parts of Canada, money is tight so the range is $90-150, so lets go for some thing that is bang for your buck but with the queens face on it. Here are some quotes I posted of his, bare with him his English is not so good.

"graphics card from $90-150"
"no preference between nvidia and ati"
"not want to deal with anything XFX"
"dead XFX 8600 GT OC"
"I've seen.. the 9800 GTX+ / GTX 250 seem to be nice (both under 150$)"
"concerns are that I've got a mid-sized tower with a single PCI-E 1.0 slot mobo and huge card won't exactly fit.
"Power no issue I got monster" "750W"

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13630BD6258&vpn=AX5770 512MD5-H&manufacture=POWERCOLOR

Edit: holy crap their name is PowerColor? I've been calling it PowerCooler for 7 months.
Edit2: $170 but more video RAM, slightly better brand, and he can pick it up himself instead of getting it shipped for $10

http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=VC-SAP-21163-00-20R

DeadTrees · Jan 25, 2010

big black woman said:
If Microcenter is selling an i7-920 for $230 (plus tax) is that a super great value to not pass?

Not unless you have an overwhelming need for a socket 1366 board, as opposed to a socket 1156 or AM3 board. It's the cheapest price you can get right now for a 1366-compatible CPU, but it's also $30 more than what Micro Center was charging last year.

vocab · Jan 25, 2010

I just my build up. How is Microsoft Security Essentials for AV? Is it reliable? Is it a resource hog?

Also, any safe processes I can kill from the start? 42 is quite high, but it is windows 7 so I don't know if that's the normal.

Firestorm · Jan 25, 2010

Yeah, MSE is supposed to be the best option. I switched to it myself.

KePoW · Jan 25, 2010

vocab said:
I just my build up. How is Microsoft Security Essentials for AV? Is it reliable? Is it a resource hog?

MSE is very nice and definitely not a resource hog.

Considering it's freeware, it's one of the most stable and better ones around. Easy non-cluttered interface as well.

VariantX04 · Jan 25, 2010

Hello PC GAF! I plan on building my first PC but I don't know where to start. What will $1600 (not including monitor/mouse/keyboard) get me and is it enough to build a PC that'll play this and next year's biggest games? If anybody would be kind enough to build me something I can work with I'd really appreciate it.

jett · Jan 25, 2010

Lately a fan in my PC will randomly rev up throughout the day. I'm not sure if it's the CPU or the video card, but lately it's been happening nearly everytime I watch a flash video in full screen.

Other times I'm just browsing through GAF and it will start sounding like an airplane taking off for less than a minute.

Anybody know what's going on?

borghe · Jan 25, 2010

well I tried throwing my XFX 5770 into my aged Athlon X2 setup (939 board with PCI-E 1.0). It didn't work (apparently it doesn't work with a number of boards from around that generation) so I updated my BIOS to see if that would fix it..... lo and behold my BIOS fried. I switched the jumpers to go back to the safe BIOS and apparently with awdflash using /wb instead of /pb kills the safe BIOS (which is what Foxconn fucking told me to do). long story short my motherboard will begin to POST but never finish and I can't get into setup or to a bootable point to redo the BIOS.

So I figured this was as good a time as any to throw together a few new parts... what I am looking at so far

Gigabyte P55 UD4P
Intel Core i5-750
Crucial DDR3-1333 RAM (2x2GB)
on top of my poor XFX 5770 that's just been sitting there waiting for something to do

Seems pretty solid without breaking the bank. Only thing left that I want to do is maybe run audio/video to the TV. I can get a 25' HDMI cable on monoprice just fine. My question is will I be able to carry sound over that also or will I need a separate optical cable. I know the 5000 series can do Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA over HDMI, but haven't found if they'll actually create the signal or just pass blu-ray audio. obviously I need a wireless mouse and keyboard to do that as well, so would appreciate any thoughts on those also.

Smash88 · Jan 25, 2010

jett said:
Lately a fan in my PC will randomly rev up throughout the day. I'm not sure if it's the CPU or the video card, but lately it's been happening nearly everytime I watch a flash video in full screen.

Other times I'm just browsing through GAF and it will start sounding like an airplane taking off for less than a minute.

Anybody know what's going on?

Usually it is the fans auto mechanism going, oh its too hot, SWITCH TO AIRPLANE MODE! Usually happens if there is a lot of dust, helps if you vacuum your computer, or use a compressed air can. Although many people advise against vacuuming the inside of your computer, I just do it because it is faster. :lol

TouchMyBox · Jan 25, 2010

So, I decided to retire my 13inch macbook with intel GMA and a core duo 1.83GHz processor for something a little more modern.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220696&cm_re=core_i7-_-34-220-696-_-Product

It's in the process of being shipped now, did I do good? A core i7 with a gpu that has 400 shaders (though it looks like it could have a bit more memory bandwidth) sounds like it will boss around most if not all games on the machine's (rather depressing) 720p screen.

GHG · Jan 25, 2010

Sanjay said:
Hey PC GAF, I have a French friend, Conceptor that needs a new graphics card, his old one froze to death living up in the cold parts of Canada, money is tight so the range is $90-150, so lets go for some thing that is bang for your buck but with the queens face on it. Here are some quotes I posted of his, bare with him his English is not so good.

"graphics card from $90-150"
"no preference between nvidia and ati"
"not want to deal with anything XFX"
"dead XFX 8600 GT OC"
"I've seen.. the 9800 GTX+ / GTX 250 seem to be nice (both under 150$)"
"concerns are that I've got a mid-sized tower with a single PCI-E 1.0 slot mobo and huge card won't exactly fit.
"Power no issue I got monster" "750W"

http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=VC-MSI-R4770-T2D512

Seek out a 4770. Cheaper, cooler and smaller all without sacrificing any power.

Smash88 · Jan 25, 2010

TouchMyBox said:
So, I decided to retire my 13inch macbook with intel GMA and a core duo 1.65GHz processor for something a little more modern.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220696&cm_re=core_i7-_-34-220-696-_-Product

It's in the process of being shipped now, did I do good? A core i7 with a gpu that has 400 shaders (though it looks like it could have a bit more memory bandwidth) sounds like it will boss around most if not all games on the machine's (rather depressing) 720p screen.

Looks okay. Could've gotten one with a faster CPU though, 1.6GHZ is pretty slow, especially now that more games are using more cores at faster speeds.

Sanjay said:
Hey PC GAF, I have a French friend, Conceptor that needs a new graphics card, his old one froze to death living up in the cold parts of Canada, money is tight so the range is $90-150, so lets go for some thing that is bang for your buck but with the queens face on it. Here are some quotes I posted of his, bare with him his English is not so good.

"graphics card from $90-150"
"no preference between nvidia and ati"
"not want to deal with anything XFX"
"dead XFX 8600 GT OC"
"I've seen.. the 9800 GTX+ / GTX 250 seem to be nice (both under 150$)"
"concerns are that I've got a mid-sized tower with a single PCI-E 1.0 slot mobo and huge card won't exactly fit.
"Power no issue I got monster" "750W"

Honestly he should really pool in at least another $30 and get the 5770. It will be better for him in the long run.

TouchMyBox · Jan 25, 2010

Smash88 said:
Looks okay. Could've gotten one with a faster CPU though, 1.6GHZ is pretty slow, especially now that more games are using more cores at faster speeds.

Yeah, it does turbo-boost to 2.8GHz though. I really can't imagine it being a substantial bottleneck.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

Smash88 said:
Looks okay. Could've gotten one with a faster CPU though, 1.6GHZ is pretty slow, especially now that more games are using more cores at faster speeds.
.

That's just about the fastest mobile CPU you can buy these days.

Bii · Jan 25, 2010

Smash88 said:
Looks okay. Could've gotten one with a faster CPU though, 1.6GHZ is pretty slow, especially now that more games are using more cores at faster speeds.

Honestly he should really pool in at least another $30 and get the 5770. It will be better for him in the long run.

A question regarding the 5770. My PC has a 350w PSU, would that be sufficient enough to power the card? I currently have a 9800GT and was looking to upgrade and the 5770 sounds good. I want to see if I can get away with upgrading the GPU without having to buy a new power supply.

Baker · Jan 25, 2010

AgentWhiskersX said:
Hello PC GAF! I plan on building my first PC but I don't know where to start. What will $1600 (not including monitor/mouse/keyboard) get me and is it enough to build a PC that'll play this and next year's biggest games? If anybody would be kind enough to build me something I can work with I'd really appreciate it.

You could go overkill on most of the components and still have money left over. Hell, you could Crossfire 5850's at that price.

TouchMyBox · Jan 25, 2010

brain_stew said:
That's just about the fastest mobile CPU you can buy these days.

This thing gets a cpu score of 26095 in 3dmark vantage? Daaaaam son.

TheFatOne · Jan 25, 2010

Just wanted to say thanks for the help. I helped my friend put together his computer yesterday. I have one more thing I wanted to ask. I want to go with a dual monitor set up. I currently have an Acer 22 inch wide screen monitor. My budget for the monitor is $250. All I am looking for is suggestions for a monitor.

VariantX04 · Jan 25, 2010

Baker said:
You could go overkill on most of the components and still have money left over. Hell, you could Crossfire 5850's at that price.

Alright I did some research and ended up with this. Of course i'll be getting 1x 1TB HDDs, power supply, monitor, keyboard, and mouse locally but does this look good?

Code:

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B

    $27.99
	
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    $99.99

SAPPHIRE 100281SR Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity

    $409.99
	
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK

    $149.99

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard

    $289.99

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920

    $288.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders

    $139.99

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

     $74.99

Baker · Jan 25, 2010

AgentWhiskersX said:
Alright I did some research and ended up with this. Of course i'll be getting 1x 1TB HDDs, power supply, monitor, keyboard, and mouse locally but does this look good?

That's almost what I had when I initially spec'ed a 920 system (ended up going 860). The only thing I'm not sure about is the OCZ ram. It got pretty shitty reviews on newegg, but you know how internet complaints go...

PoweredBySoy · Jan 25, 2010

FrozenCPU would be a good store to add to the list. They have a lot of specialty parts and cases, and I've always had good service from them.

http://www.frozencpu.com/

PoweredBySoy · Jan 25, 2010

I don't suppose anybody had picked up a Razer Imperator yet.... I can't find a local retailer that's carrying it and I'd be interested in hearing some opinions. I've used many gaming mice on my never-ending quest to find "the one", and I've always found Razer's to have the superior optics - I've just never found their mice very comfortable. The Imperator is said to be their most comfortable one yet.

VariantX04 · Jan 25, 2010

Baker said:
That's almost what I had when I initially spec'ed a 920 system (ended up going 860). The only thing I'm not sure about is the OCZ ram. It got pretty shitty reviews on newegg, but you know how internet complaints go...

Yeah I was actually considering going with Corsair dominator 6GB until a friend recommended the OCZ ones since it's practically the same performance for a much lower price.

Erebus · Jan 25, 2010

So I'm looking to buy a new 1TB HDD for my desktop PC and after some online research I ended up with these two options:

Samsung Spinpoint F3
WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS

Which one should I go for?

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

AgentWhiskersX said:
Hello PC GAF! I plan on building my first PC but I don't know where to start. What will $1600 (not including monitor/mouse/keyboard) get me and is it enough to build a PC that'll play this and next year's biggest games? If anybody would be kind enough to build me something I can work with I'd really appreciate it.

$600 will cover that just fine. After $1000 you're hitting seriously diminishing returns.

Nemesis121 · Jan 25, 2010

Got this to replace a failing 7800GTX.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

Bii said:
A question regarding the 5770. My PC has a 350w PSU, would that be sufficient enough to power the card? I currently have a 9800GT and was looking to upgrade and the 5770 sounds good. I want to see if I can get away with upgrading the GPU without having to buy a new power supply.

The 5770 uses less power than a 9800GT, so if it powers that then, it'll be fine.

Nemesis121 said:
Got this to replace a failing 7800GTX.

Is it ordered yet? If not you could get a pretty major performance boost by stepping it up less than $20 to a 5770. You'll be stunned with the upgrade either way, but still, the point stands.

hellclerk · Jan 25, 2010

Curious, how are the Nvida 240 GT chips? I was thinking of getting an MSI one with 1gig of DDR3 memory because of the low power requirements. Would an Asus of the same series with 512 of DDR5 be better?

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

doomed1 said:
Curious, how are the Nvida 240 GT chips? I was thinking of getting an MSI one with 1gig of DDR3 memory because of the low power requirements. Would an Asus of the same series with 512 of DDR5 be better?

Shit. 5670s are the same price (more or less), come with DX11 and triple outputs and are noticeably faster. The DDR3 models in particular are pretty damn horrendous.

Even a cheapo 4670 would probably be a better option.

Nemesis121 · Jan 25, 2010

brain_stew said:
Is it ordered yet? If not you could get a pretty major performance boost by stepping it up less than $20 to a 5770. You'll be stunned with the upgrade either way, but still, the point stands.

Yeah i got it over the weekend for $129, $15 off, I was originally gonna go with a 5670 since I am on a budget can't spend much, but when I saw this at $15 off I got it, and it was free shipping.

vertopci · Jan 25, 2010

DarkUSS said:
So I'm looking to buy a new 1TB HDD for my desktop PC and after some online research I ended up with these two options:

Samsung Spinpoint F3
WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS

Which one should I go for?

WD hands down.

Hazaro · Jan 25, 2010

Reposting. Feel free to add other criteria.

I think we need a template added to the top of the OP.

Something like:

Budget/Location: ($500, $800, $1,200...)
PC Main Use(s): (Gaming (Light Gaming), Video editing, Web browsing...)
Monitor Resolution: (1280x1024, 1680x1050 ,1920x1080...)
Other Concerns: (Case size (ATX, mATX [Limited in part selection]), Low power [Limited again], Silent [Can get expensive, Limited]...)
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: (Starcraft II, Diablo III, Oblivion IV, Arma II, Crysis...)

If you need to add anything to that just do so. Every time someone asks for help they don't tell us everything and we waste posts.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

vertopci said:
WD hands down.

Why's that? Unless its a 500GB platter drive, it'll be noticably slower than the Samsung.

Edit: Yup, just checked and that's not a 500GB per platter model, so its slower, more expensive and (probably) noiser, can't see why you'd choose it given that.

BravoSuperStar · Jan 25, 2010

DarkUSS said:
So I'm looking to buy a new 1TB HDD for my desktop PC and after some online research I ended up with these two options:

Samsung Spinpoint F3
WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS

Which one should I go for?

Get the Samsung, it's faster and quieter.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

Hazaro said:
Reposting. Feel free to add other criteria.

Any specific retailers that are preferred (e.g. ncix for the assembly option) or must be avoided (say if Newegg is based in your home state) would be worth mentioning.

Either way, this really needs adding to the op.

vocab · Jan 25, 2010

I'm loving my new system, but damn somethings wrong with my network. I'm getting capped at 1.5 Mbs on Steam, and I'm getting high ping while I download it. I never had this problem on my old comp.

Erebus · Jan 25, 2010

Are Samsung HDDs reliable though? I once had an HDD die on me (not Samsung mind you) and I can't say it was a rather pleasant experience.

BravoSuperStar · Jan 25, 2010

DarkUSS said:
Are Samsung HDDs reliable though? I once had an HDD die on me (not Samsung mind you) and I can't say it was a rather pleasant experience.

Absolutely, they usually have 5 year warranties standard where WD and seagate have moved to mostly 3 year unless its a special line.

I actually own that exact samsung drive for about a year now, it's awesome. The hdd access noise is almost silent, makes my 750gb seagate drive sound like a semi downshifting. It's also very fast. I said the same thing before I bought one too, Samsung hdd wtf?? But I am very glad I bought a spinpoint F3.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong, it's a 3 year warranty. Oops. I would still recommend it, i've loved mine.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

borghe said:
well I tried throwing my XFX 5770 into my aged Athlon X2 setup (939 board with PCI-E 1.0). It didn't work (apparently it doesn't work with a number of boards from around that generation) so I updated my BIOS to see if that would fix it..... lo and behold my BIOS fried. I switched the jumpers to go back to the safe BIOS and apparently with awdflash using /wb instead of /pb kills the safe BIOS (which is what Foxconn fucking told me to do). long story short my motherboard will begin to POST but never finish and I can't get into setup or to a bootable point to redo the BIOS.

So I figured this was as good a time as any to throw together a few new parts... what I am looking at so far

Gigabyte P55 UD4P
Intel Core i5-750
Crucial DDR3-1333 RAM (2x2GB)
on top of my poor XFX 5770 that's just been sitting there waiting for something to do

Seems pretty solid without breaking the bank. Only thing left that I want to do is maybe run audio/video to the TV. I can get a 25' HDMI cable on monoprice just fine. My question is will I be able to carry sound over that also or will I need a separate optical cable. I know the 5000 series can do Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA over HDMI, but haven't found if they'll actually create the signal or just pass blu-ray audio. obviously I need a wireless mouse and keyboard to do that as well, so would appreciate any thoughts on those also.

What do you mean "create the signal"?

It'll pass through whatever audio your system is outputting. Be that 5.1 LPCM, DD, DTS, stereo LPCM or indeed one of the new HD codecs. What are planning on sending the audio to, just your TV speakers?

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

DarkUSS said:
Are Samsung HDDs reliable though? I once had an HDD die on me (not Samsung mind you) and I can't say it was a rather pleasant experience.

No problems with the three Samsung F1s I've bought in the last couple of years. I don't think any brand is all that much more succeptible to a drive breaking down, HDDs inevitably fail due to their mechanical design. They've a 3 year warrranty as well which is pretty decent.

SuperEnemyCrab said:
Absolutely, they usually have 5 year warranties standard where WD and seagate have moved to mostly 3 year unless its a special line.

I actually own that exact samsung drive for about a year now, it's awesome. The hdd access noise is almost silent, makes my 750gb seagate drive sound like a semi downshifting. It's also very fast. I said the same thing before I bought one too, Samsung hdd wtf?? But I am very glad I bought a spinpoint F3.

They've very quietly become a major player. Their F1 drives seemed to come from no where and were the fastest around when they launched a few years ago yet were priced very reasonably. They seem to have followed that tradition with the F3 range and have made the transition to 500GB platters faster than anyone. They're cheap, fast, spacious and quiet and come with a decent warranty, honestly unless you're going for an SSD I wouldn't consider anyone else.

Erebus · Jan 25, 2010

Thanks everyone for the input, I'm getting the Samsung.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

DarkUSS said:
Thanks everyone for the input, I'm getting the Samsung.

Oh and incase you need convincing of just how fast the thing is, then check here:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/samsung-spinpoint-f3-1tb-review/3

Yes, it really is faster than that $250 Velociraptor despite being quieter and coming with more than 3 times the storage!

ElectricThunder · Jan 25, 2010

IT WORKS ! IT WORKS! It WOOORKS! Ahahahhhahah!

So freaking excited that Monoprice sent me the right DVI cables this time(though they aren't very long and the others I saw were overkill...so it may take more doing than I thought to get the dual monitor thing going). Took a little over an hour and a half to install Win 7 Pro 64...no errors and no scary moments!

Many thanks to GAF for the gist of many things, even if my actual build went a bit different due to weird timings for things in stock. An especially savvy friend will make his way around here sometime soon I hope and from there we'll get an internet connection up on the thing, files copied over from my external HD, 2nd monitor working/workspace organizing, and everything tweaked and set up proper so I can finally, hopefully, retire my old PC here and enter into the modern computing and development age.

EXCITE!

Baker · Jan 25, 2010

Why did everyone tell me to get a WD Black last week?

:lol

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

Baker said:
Why did everyone tell me to get a WD Black last week?

:lol

Probably because the F3s have kept going in and out of stock on Newegg............or I didn't catch your post.

Bloodsent · Jan 25, 2010

brain_stew said:
GAF's recommended "best bang for buck" high end rig (US edition):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128406
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100302
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131184
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136167

Total = $935

Thanks brain_stew,

I know I have been out of the game for a while, but I was under the impression that most higher end video cards, even with just a single card, are better off with a 650W or so power supply. The 500W with the Sonata case is sufficient for a 5850? No major space issues with the Sonata case? That is the only piece on this list that I am a bit leary about.

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

Bloodsent said:
Thanks brain_stew,

I know I have been out of the game for a while, but I was under the impression that most higher end video cards, even with just a single card, are better off with a 650W or so power supply. The 500W with the Sonata case is sufficient for a 5850? No major space issues with the Sonata case? That is the only piece on this list that I am a bit leary about.

A quality 500w PSU will power any single GPU rig just fine and yes, that case will fit a 5850, considering it fits a GTX 280 which is even longer.

By all means go with a more roubst PSU and case, but for the money that combo is a really good deal and is more than sufficient, hence why its chosen.

Edit: After being given the heads up on that awesome 600w modular PSU deal, the high end build now includes a 600w PSU and a larger case, so both of your potential fears are completely eradicated.

Owzers · Jan 25, 2010

brain_stew said:
GAF's recommended "best bang for buck" high end rig (US edition):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128406
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100302
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131184
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136167

Total = $935

GAF's recommended ultimate budget gaming rig (US edition):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136167
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119203
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131603
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.312206

$635- $35MIR = $600

I'll sort the formatting out later but I'd recommend people to consult these as a base guide to work on. Any recommendations to improve them are welcome.

Right now there is a combo deal with the samsung hard drive and the ozc 600W one that is cheaper than buying the 500w and HD seperately.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.323089

but also, that HIS 5770 graphics card is the one with the worst newegg ratings, is it still good to get?

brain_stew · Jan 25, 2010

sillymonkey321 said:
Right now there is a combo deal with the samsung hard drive and the ozc 600W one that is cheaper than buying the 500w and HD seperately.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.323089

but also, that HIS 5770 graphics card is the one with the worst newegg ratings, is it still good to get?

They all use the same design, and that cooler is better than the old model, so there shouldn't be an issue.

Thanks for the heads up on the combo. Both the budget and high end configs are now slightly different.

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