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TheExodu5 said:
I'm not seeing a single good alternative to G.Skill. They're all rated 1.65V. G.Skill is rated 1.5V, which means it at least has 0.15V of headroom before reaching the safe voltage point for the i5/i7.

edit: these are nice. Better timings, and rated for 1.65V.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145285

edit2: oh again...you're not getting an Intel. I don't believe the voltage will be an issue for you then.

I'm getting a i5 in the near future, and looking at your recommendations (only for overclocking though), I should be going for 2x2gb DDR3 1.5V ram?

Like this Geil http://www.geil.com.tw/products/show/id/125 or the above Corsair/G.Skill.
 
Three questions guys.

1) How much thermal compound am I supposed to apply on the CPU? Am I supposed to put a little then spread it around the CPU or let the cooler spread it out for me?

2) Should I also apply thermal compound on the GPU or is this not really necessary?

3) What's a better video hookup: DVI or HDMI?

Thanks!
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
Three questions guys.

1) How much thermal compound am I supposed to apply on the CPU? Am I supposed to put a little then spread it around the CPU or let the cooler spread it out for me?

2) Should I also apply thermal compound on the GPU or is this not really necessary?

3) What's a better video hookup: DVI or HDMI?

Thanks!


1) Not a lot. Less is more. Application is debateable. I did a horizontal line so the spread would be better for quad core. My temps are super low, and with my heatsink, and airflow, my case is ice cold when its on. Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXLu1Ms-q4 You get an idea of how much to apply.

2) No.

3) DVI is fine.
 
vocab said:
1) Not a lot. Less is more. Application is debateable. I did a horizontal line so the spread would be better for quad core. My temps are super low, and with my heatsink, and airflow, my case is ice cold when its on. Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXLu1Ms-q4 You get an idea of how much to apply.

2) No.

3) DVI is fine.

Thanks for the quick reply. When you say DVI is fine, do you mean its preferable? I have both HDMI and DVI cables. Which would you recommend I use?
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
Thanks for the quick reply. When you say DVI is fine, do you mean its preferable? I have both HDMI and DVI cables. Which would you recommend I use?

Same picture signals but HDMI has an audio signal. Also depends on the quality of your HDMI cable.
 
Anton668 said:
So with any luck I should be building a new computer soon. Prob using the $600 one in the OP.

But for now, I need to get a new monitor. Any brands to check out, any to avoid? Im looking at around 22"

I bought a 25.5" Samsung TOCHD for $299 at Home Depot last week. I'm actually really surprised at how nice it is. I was initially worried about viewing angles, but I'm perfectly happy with it. The Dell 22 inch monitor I have sitting next to it is utterly depressing now - so much so that I'm almost tempted to buy another one of these and toss out my 22" altogether.

Here's a comparison. I tried taking the pic from the same viewing angle I have from my chair:

1538bc3.jpg
 
my ancient Samsung DVD/CD-RW drive has epic failed. I wanted to squeeze the juice out of it, so let it be on my new system.

I'm looking for a new optical disk drive - should I go blu-ray or should stick to a DVD-R/DVD-RW combo?

Blu-ray drives are expensive as fuck, and I think I'd probably nabbing a Blu-ray reader/DVD RW combo at best. Blu-ray writers are beyong my budget.

So GAFFers, you think sticking to the quickly-becoming obsolete medium is the wise choice or jump ship and get a blu-ray/DVD RW combo?
 
dmshaposv said:
So GAFFers, you think sticking to the quickly-becoming obsolete medium is the wise choice or jump ship and get a blu-ray/DVD RW combo?
Quickly? It's not a matter of when DVD will finally die off, it's whether or not you even have any Blu-ray media in the first place. :lol
 
brain_stew said:
This is significantly better than any of those machines and comes from a better brand as well:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220696

Fast DX 11 graphics, quad core, turbo boost, LED display, HDMI out, you're not going to do better than that imo.

That doesn't look bad. Better graphics card, slightly bigger screen, a numpad (big plus for me, I hate going without one), and I just read that a recent laptop reliability test ranked ASUS at first, and lenovo at I think 5th or 6th. I always thought lenovo was a staple for reliability, but I guess ASUS would be the way to go. I think that seals the deal for me. Cosmetically it's pretty basic, but I've seen MUCH uglier laptops, and the other positives outweigh that. And to think I was about to pull the trigger on the lenovo Y550P.

Thanks!
 
Need help friends...

Have the following machine that I'm looking to upgrade:

E6600 Core 2 Duo
4gig Ram
8800gt

I was thinking of upgrading the video card but am open to the cpu/mobo as well. Wanted to go Nvidia again, so recommendations?

I'm a middle ground budget kind of guy btw

Thanks!
 
I want to build the cheapest possible PC that can run 360/PS3/PC games (Mass Effect 2, GTA 4, etc) at 720p with a stable framerate (30fps is fine if that's what the console versions run at). Any tips? Just need the mobo/cpu/memory/vga.
 
Dina said:
I'm getting a i5 in the near future, and looking at your recommendations (only for overclocking though), I should be going for 2x2gb DDR3 1.5V ram?

Like this Geil http://www.geil.com.tw/products/show/id/125 or the above Corsair/G.Skill.

1.65V is fine if it has good timings.

Well, really you don't need to worry too much about anything, but if you're looking at similarily priced RAM, RAM with the best timings and lowest voltage requirements would be best.

Massa said:
I want to build the cheapest possible PC that can run 360/PS3/PC games (Mass Effect 2, GTA 4, etc) at 720p with a stable framerate (30fps is fine if that's what the console versions run at). Any tips? Just need the mobo/cpu/memory/vga.

Can't give you the exact specs since I'm not completely versed in the lower end hardware at this point, but you'll be looking at an AMD chip and a Radeon HD 5770.

I'd recommend a quad-core CPU even if it costs you $30-50 more or so. Big performance increase in games like Mass Effect, GTA4, and BC2 over dual-core.
 
AgentOtaku said:
I was thinking of upgrading the video card but am open to the cpu/mobo as well. Wanted to go Nvidia again, so recommendations?

I'm a middle ground budget kind of guy btw

Thanks!

Just wait. Nvidia's current offerings are a complete waste of money.
 
TheExodu5 said:
1.65V is fine if it has good timings.

Well, really you don't need to worry too much about anything, but if you're looking at similarily priced RAM, RAM with the best timings and lowest voltage requirements would be best.

What are best timings for i5?
 
AgentOtaku said:
Need help friends...

Have the following machine that I'm looking to upgrade:

E6600 Core 2 Duo
4gig Ram
8800gt

I was thinking of upgrading the video card but am open to the cpu/mobo as well. Wanted to go Nvidia again, so recommendations?

I'm a middle ground budget kind of guy btw

Thanks!

Depends on the games you're playing. I was playing ME2, DAO, BFBC2, and GTA4 which all got great improvements from me going quad-core. If you're CPU limited on a quad-core enabled game that you really want to play, then a CPU upgrade would be worthwhile. Otherwise, stick with the C2D as long as you can.

I just upgraded my E6600 to a Q8300 for $150 and am loving it.

As for graphics card, you're going to get the best bang-for-buck upgrade going to a Radeon HD5850, but that's $300.
 
AgentOtaku said:
Need help friends...

Have the following machine that I'm looking to upgrade:

E6600 Core 2 Duo
4gig Ram
8800gt

I was thinking of upgrading the video card but am open to the cpu/mobo as well. Wanted to go Nvidia again, so recommendations?

I'm a middle ground budget kind of guy btw

Thanks!
Overclock to 3.0 Ghz or 3.2Ghz
Upgrade to a GTX260 if you really need to, but I'd wait it out right now.
 
I finally got my Eyefinity setup up and running last night and if anyone else is thinking about trying it out, I can't recommend it highly enough.

My setup is an xfx 5850 with 3x Dell 2209WA (ips) monitors. The monitors are 1680x1050 so I am running games at 5040x1050. I used the display port to vga adaptor from monoprice ( http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10428&cs_id=1042801&p_id=5135&seq=1&format=2 ) for about $20, instead of the super expensive display port to dvi active adaptors.

I do have the display flicker problem on the one monitor using display port (about once every 5 minutes or so) but I am hoping a firmware flash of the video card will take care of that.

Other than that I couldn't be happier. Especially with the performance of games like l4d2 and tf2 running a max settings at 5040x1050 and still getting a great framerate.
 
The C2Q Q9550 is $180 right now (missed it at $170 last week) at Microcenter. I don't know if I should jump on this for an upgrade from my C2D E7200 or wait for another good mobo+cpu deal for one of the Core i7s. Fry's B&M had a Core i7 860+mobo for $230 a few weeks ago.
 
turnbuckle said:
I bought a 25.5" Samsung TOCHD for $299 at Home Depot last week. I'm actually really surprised at how nice it is. I was initially worried about viewing angles, but I'm perfectly happy with it. The Dell 22 inch monitor I have sitting next to it is utterly depressing now - so much so that I'm almost tempted to buy another one of these and toss out my 22" altogether.

Here's a comparison. I tried taking the pic from the same viewing angle I have from my chair:

1538bc3.jpg

The new monitor, like most Samsungs, is probably just set to a higher temperature (blue-shift) which makes it look brighter in comparison. Just bring the temperature and colors in line. I'd be inclined to think your Dell is the more accurate one, though that's just a hunch. If you like the Samsung better, then just up the temperature of your Dell monitor and give it a blue tint.

RotBot said:
The C2Q Q9550 is $180 right now (missed it at $170 last week) at Microcenter. I don't know if I should jump on this for an upgrade from my C2D E7200 or wait for another good mobo+cpu deal for one of the Core i7s. Fry's B&M had a Core i7 860+mobo for $230 a few weeks ago.

Well $230 for an 860 + mobo is ridiculous. If you could get that I would. Still, a Q9550 for $180 is an awesome deal, and that's a massive upgrade from an E7200 for the games that will make use of quad-core.
 
BloodySinner said:

Time doesn't go any slower than when you're waiting for one last part to be released to complete a build, these next two months are going to be brutal for anyone looking to jump in to a new PC with a brand new nVidia card, but it will be worth the wait. High end PC gaming these days is the best it's ever been.

I just hope you don't have to deal with the out of stock problems people had to experience (myself included) trying to get a 5800 card. My advice would be to camp out newegg since they only sell what they have in stock, and when you get an order through them you know you won't be cheated and told it's back-ordered a few days later only to wait weeks and weeks for the card to ship out.
 
RotBot said:
The C2Q Q9550 is $180 right now (missed it at $170 last week) at Microcenter.
Hot damn. I'd be interested in one of those, but it looks like the Microcenter deal is in-store pickup only. Are there any U.S. sites out there that will match the price and ship to Washington State? Does NewEgg or NCIX US match prices?
 
Whatg are the thoughts on Dell/alienware's m11x? The little netbook looking thing that supposedly ran crysis and l4d 2 without a hitch at ces? Its coming in a week for 800 bucks, is it worth it?
 
TheExodu5 said:
The new monitor, like most Samsungs, is probably just set to a higher temperature (blue-shift) which makes it look brighter in comparison. Just bring the temperature and colors in line. I'd be inclined to think your Dell is the more accurate one, though that's just a hunch. If you like the Samsung better, then just up the temperature of your Dell monitor and give it a blue tint.

I'm still using the default "home" option on the Samsung, but I've played around with the Dell settings a bunch of times. The picture has the Dell set at what I think is the "optimum" level, and when I switch it to the blue pre-set the whole screen is a cooler, darker tone. The Dell is set to the max in brightness too. It's a 3-4 year old monitor though and isn't from the ultrasharp line so it was never great to begin with, but I'm really happy with how big a difference the Sammy is even in its default settings.

I was looking for a 25-26 monitor that I hoped would have at least the same quality as the Dell for under $450, and was happy to find one that met both requirements for "under" $300.
 
Ok, I finally tried to build my pc tonight and I probably screwed something up in the process, since it went out as soon as I turned it on for the first time, and a smell of burnt came up that did not last long.
Any idea on what I screwed up and what I lost in this mistake?
 
Kerrinck said:
Ok, I finally tried to build my pc tonight and I probably screwed something up in the process, since it went out as soon as I turned it on for the first time, and a smell of burnt came up that did not last long.
Any idea on what I screwed up and what I lost in this mistake?
What components are you using? Specifically, the PSU - Please don't tell me that you used a generic one that came with a $40 tower.

Also, I've noticed the endless barrage of Brie avatars are now slowly creeping out of the O/T and into the gaming side. Multiple angles of her fellating a strawberry. Jesus, you guys.
 
MoFuzz said:
What components are you using? Specifically, the PSU - Please don't tell me that you used a generic one that came with a $40 tower.

Also, I've noticed the endless barrage of Brie avatars are now slowly creeping out of the O/T and into the gaming side. Multiple angles of her fellating a strawberry. Jesus, you guys.

Corsair 450w. I use a 5770, i5 750 and a p55 ud4 so I think it was enough.
Considering this is my first time ever building a PC, i probably screwed something up.
Is there any risk of losing a part? Since I imported most of it, I cant return them.
The smell of burn freaked me out.
 
Kerrinck said:
Corsair 450w. I use a 5770, i5 750 and a p55 ud4 so I think it was enough.
Considering this is my first time ever building a PC, i probably screwed something up.
Is there any risk of losing a part? Since I imported most of it, I cant return them.
The smell of burn freaked me out.
Is it this one? http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817139003
It should definitely be sufficient to power everything.

Have you doubled checked all your connections to make sure each part is plugged into the PSU? Anything that sticks out or doesn't quite fit properly?

Burning smell is not good, but may not mean a part is permafried beyond repair. Can you isolate which part it is, where the fumes are coming from?
 
brain_stew said:
Are some of the deals in the op not working anymore, as that's a better system for the money.

Yeah, there's some better combos now for a budget system. Antec 300 went out of stock before I could order, but they added a combo discount for the CPU & MOBO.



$519 after rebates (without a case).
 
Thanks for the input guys. Guess I'm inclined to upgrade the cpu/mobo. Will wait for Nvidia's next outing

For about $200, what do you recommend cpu wise?
 
2 quick question guys...

I'm looking to upgrade the old 8800 GTX to an ATI 5870, any brands that are recommended over others? I know XFX has the 'double lifetime warranty' which is nice - however any big differences in terms of performance?

Secondly, I'm also looking to upgrade my soundcard. The one I've been using for a few years is lacking in driver support. The one I've been looking at is the AuzenTech Forte (bout 150 bucks) - any bad things I should know about? Any cards that are as good, if not better in the same price range?

Thanks =)
 
Saterium said:
2 quick question guys...

I'm looking to upgrade the old 8800 GTX to an ATI 5870, any brands that are recommended over others? I know XFX has the 'double lifetime warranty' which is nice - however any big differences in terms of performance?

Secondly, I'm also looking to upgrade my soundcard. The one I've been using for a few years is lacking in driver support. The one I've been looking at is the AuzenTech Forte (bout 150 bucks) - any bad things I should know about? Any cards that are as good, if not better in the same price range?

Thanks =)

I went with the FXF 5870 because of the warranty. I've only had it about a month but so far so good
 
Saterium said:
2 quick question guys...

I'm looking to upgrade the old 8800 GTX to an ATI 5870, any brands that are recommended over others? I know XFX has the 'double lifetime warranty' which is nice - however any big differences in terms of performance?

Secondly, I'm also looking to upgrade my soundcard. The one I've been using for a few years is lacking in driver support. The one I've been looking at is the AuzenTech Forte (bout 150 bucks) - any bad things I should know about? Any cards that are as good, if not better in the same price range?

Thanks =)

No difference in terms of performance. They all have good cards and they all have lemons (when it comes to overclocking). It's the luck of the draw. XFX is great for their warranty.
 
Got myself a Microcenter credit card today, took advantage of the no interest financing bought myself a new motherboard to go with the Phenom II X3 720 I got; 500GB HDD, 600 watt PSU, 4GB DDR3, and the Antec P183 case.

Credit is a dangerous thing, spent ~$500 easy, but thank goodness for tax returns and no interest financing.

I usually go really cheap on the computer cases, but damn, I figured I never got a case I liked visually or internally, and this one is something I'm going keep longer than the the processor and maybe even the motherboard, though with AMD sticking to AM3 sockets I don't think I have to worry when the 6-core processors come out.

My precious...
antec_performance_one_p183_homepage.jpg


Next up, a new graphics card to replace my 8800GT.
 
newsguy said:
Whatg are the thoughts on Dell/alienware's m11x? The little netbook looking thing that supposedly ran crysis and l4d 2 without a hitch at ces? Its coming in a week for 800 bucks, is it worth it?
Well, GPU-wise, housing the GT 335M (entry level 40nm G200 core, 72 stream procs) is an unprecedented of amount of power for an 11" machine. The main concern will be the 1.3Ghz CULV holding up in CPU bound games, though it can be OC'd to 1.6Ghz for some extra headroom.

Hardware Heaven has a pretty nice review up (graphs), with DIRT 2, Modern Warfare 2, and L4D2 tested. IGN tested (no graphs) Mass Effect 2, Borderlands, Left 4 Dead, and Company Of Heroes.

It seems to be the real deal, especially with its long battery life. It does indeed start at $799, but that's with a Pentium (+100 for Core 2 Duo).

It's a nice machine, and I'm shocked that there's no Alienware Tax™ .
 
Well, i just found out my little 3yr old nephew pulled off the warranty serial sticker off my GPU (I was boxing the thing up to send to evga, torn to pieces). Absolutely gutted i remembered a thread on [H]ardocp about graphics card repairs.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1421792

By baking... figuring i have nothing left to lose i tried it out. Within 45 minutes i had the thing stripped, baked and then put back together...the fucking thing WORKS, just played a few hours of dark void and absolutely no issues. Bearing in mind this GPU was artefacting in POST, windows would default to 640x480 and games would crash instantly.

I'm as happy as a pig in shit, hopefully it'll survive till the new nvidia cards arrive. Gonna get some proper thermal paste and try this with my RROD 360. I'll post results if anyones interested.

Remember, little boys, computer hardware and loose warranty stickers don't mix!
 
AgentOtaku said:
Need help friends...

Have the following machine that I'm looking to upgrade:

E6600 Core 2 Duo
4gig Ram
8800gt

I was thinking of upgrading the video card but am open to the cpu/mobo as well. Wanted to go Nvidia again, so recommendations?

I'm a middle ground budget kind of guy btw

Thanks!

OC your CPU before upgrading it, see if a ~3.2-3.4ghz clock delivers you enough performance. If that's not enough on the CPU side then I'd say a cheap quad (like a used Q6600) clocked to 3ghz+ is the way to go, better than spending an extra $400 for no noticeable ingame performance gains.

GPU wise go with a 5850 if you can afford it, a 5770 if you can't. Nvidia are currently withdrawn from the high end so they offer you no upgrade options until Fermi hits (and that's unlikely to be in your price range anyway).
 
dynamitejim said:
Yeah, there's some better combos now for a budget system. Antec 300 went out of stock before I could order, but they added a combo discount for the CPU & MOBO.



$519 after rebates (without a case).

Yeah some really good combo deals just went up today. I still haven't went through with it though, i'm torn between building my first desktop or not spending the money and staying with my 1.8GHz duo , ATI Mobility 1400X laptop for moderate Steam gaming.
 
Massa said:
I want to build the cheapest possible PC that can run 360/PS3/PC games (Mass Effect 2, GTA 4, etc) at 720p with a stable framerate (30fps is fine if that's what the console versions run at). Any tips? Just need the mobo/cpu/memory/vga.

5670
770/785g AM3 motherboard
4GB DDR3 (guess you could go with 2GB but its not recommended)
Athlon ii X3 435


Will net you significantly more than you're after for very little.


K.Jack said:
Well, GPU-wise, housing the GT 335M (entry level 40nm G200 core, 72 stream procs) is an unprecedented of amount of power for an 11" machine. The main concern will be the 1.3Ghz CULV holding up in CPU bound games, though it can be OC'd to 1.6Ghz for some extra headroom.

Hardware Heaven has a pretty nice review up (graphs), with DIRT 2, Modern Warfare 2, and L4D2 tested. IGN tested (no graphs) Mass Effect 2, Borderlands, Left 4 Dead, and Company Of Heroes.

It seems to be the real deal, especially with its long battery life. It does indeed start at $799, but that's with a Pentium (+100 for Core 2 Duo).

It's a nice machine, and I'm shocked that there's no Alienware Tax™ .

This little thing caught my eye as well, its a damn little miracle machine. An 11" laptop that is CPU bound in games!?? Wtf!?

Heck, it hasn't even been beaten by the Alienware ugly stick all that much, that thing should fly off shelves.

How does one go about OCing a laptop CPU?

Edit: Dell offer OCing through the BIOS!? The hell, I trully have entered bizarro world now, this little machine just shouldn't exist going by all conventional wisdom.
 
fizzelopeguss said:
Well, i just found out my little 3yr old nephew pulled off the warranty serial sticker off my GPU (I was boxing the thing up to send to evga, torn to pieces). Absolutely gutted i remembered a thread on [H]ardocp about graphics card repairs.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1421792

By baking... figuring i have nothing left to lose i tried it out. Within 45 minutes i had the thing stripped, baked and then put back together...the fucking thing WORKS, just played a few hours of dark void and absolutely no issues. Bearing in mind this GPU was artefacting in POST, windows would default to 640x480 and games would crash instantly.

I'm as happy as a pig in shit, hopefully it'll survive till the new nvidia cards arrive. Gonna get some proper thermal paste and try this with my RROD 360. I'll post results if anyones interested.

Damn, Iron Chef ain't got nothing on you! :D
 
:lol :lol

That Dell machine starts from £750 in the UK, compared to $800 in the US. Knew they'd have to leave a tranny surprise somewhere.
 
So I want to get another 2GB of RAM (currently have 2x1GB) but I absolutely can't find anyone who still stocks 2x1GB packs of OCZ Gold XTC PC6400. The alternatives are obviously to mix-and-match, or get a 2x2GB set. Mixing and matching shouldn't be too much of an issue right? I mean, the sticks I have now are underclocked anyway (333 vs. 400) so it'd just be an issue of getting sticks that have the same timings at 333 Mhz.

But it looks like the RAM prices are kind of high atm. Are we near the high of the RAM pricing curve right now?
 
brain_stew said:
This little thing caught my eye as well, its a damn little miracle machine. An 11" laptop that is CPU bound in games!?? Wtf!?

Heck, it hasn't even been beaten by the Alienware ugly stick all that much, that thing should fly off shelves.

How does one go about OCing a laptop CPU?

Edit: Dell offer OCing through the BIOS!? The hell, I trully have entered bizarro world now, this little machine just shouldn't exist going by all conventional wisdom.

It is indeed a nice laptop. To be a bit cynical though, in the end, it's still a $1000 11" laptop, that struggles to run DiRT 2 at medium, no AF, and at a low resolution and no AA on most of those games (then again, it is just an 11" screen, I'm not knocking the pixel-per-inch count, just saying you aren't really stressing the hardware at a low resolution as you would be at 1.5x+ the resolution on a normal high res display).

For me, it's amazing and a little disappointing, it truly has some nice power under the hood, but I don't see the point in playing DiRT 2 at medium, you need to spend $1000 + warranty to buy it in the US configured properly (4GB RAM + duo core CPU). For that money you can buy a rig with a 1200p display that will run the game at twice the framerate at the highest settings across the board with AA.

I'd be just as happy playing Starcraft, Red Alert 2 or the like maxed out on a $400 netbook, or better yet, playing some nice puzzle/tower defense games on an iPhone, and save the real gaming for my main rig.
 
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