Hellsing321
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Sometimes its just simply called Intel C-State Tech. Gigabyte calls it C3/C6/C7 state support for whatever reason.Odious Tea said:
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Odious Tea
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10.2. Downloading 10.3.vocab said:
I'll recheck my CPU Config upon reboot. Thanks.Hellsing321 said:
brain_stew
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K.Jack said:
Well at least its still a full 800 stream processor part like the other GPUs in the mobility 58xx series. Still, 128 bit bus and GDDR3 memory, ouch, that's going to be one hell of a bottleneck.
Odious Tea
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I'm glad I didn't wait. I'm VERY happy with how my 5770 performs at 1920x1080. Before it crashes everything, that is.brain_stew said:
NorrenRadd
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Well I'm getting really tired of not being able to play flash games and watch an avi video without my PC stuttering.
Budget: $500. I can cannibalize my DVD drive, hard drives, and case. I live near Frys and Microcenter in SoCal.
Main Use: Starcraft II, Diablo III, WoW, other random PC games. I do most of my gaming on my xbox. I REALLY need to be able to multitask (play a game on one monitor and watch a movie on another). That is the #1 important thing for me.
Resolutions: I run two Samsung T260HDs side by side. I want my PC to be able to watch a movie full screen on one and play a game full screen on the other, simultaneously. They are 1080p 16x10 monitors.
Games: Flash games, Starcraft II, Diablo III, WoW.
I saw the post about the bang for the buck of the Athlon II x4 620 and I was thinking that would be a good starting point? I'd like to have a bit of ability to upgrade in the future so I think I want the AM3 board and the DDR3?
I've been trying to put off building a new PC, but not being able to watch video and play a flash game is too damn frustrating.
Budget: $500. I can cannibalize my DVD drive, hard drives, and case. I live near Frys and Microcenter in SoCal.
Main Use: Starcraft II, Diablo III, WoW, other random PC games. I do most of my gaming on my xbox. I REALLY need to be able to multitask (play a game on one monitor and watch a movie on another). That is the #1 important thing for me.
Resolutions: I run two Samsung T260HDs side by side. I want my PC to be able to watch a movie full screen on one and play a game full screen on the other, simultaneously. They are 1080p 16x10 monitors.
Games: Flash games, Starcraft II, Diablo III, WoW.
I saw the post about the bang for the buck of the Athlon II x4 620 and I was thinking that would be a good starting point? I'd like to have a bit of ability to upgrade in the future so I think I want the AM3 board and the DDR3?
I've been trying to put off building a new PC, but not being able to watch video and play a flash game is too damn frustrating.
Odious Tea
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Thanks for reccomending 10.3, Hellsing. It seems to have done the trick. Managed to play through about a half-level of Crysis at a solid 30-45 FPS without trouble. Further testing will confirm tomorrow.
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Hitokage said:
Of course, that is why I have a single, slow running, 120mm rear fan with a noise level of under 30dB. A case fan isn't necessary either - I ran this PC with the rear fan disabled for a good while, and it was fine. I just decided to keep it on as I enjoyed the 20 degree idle CPU / 40 degree GPU temps.
Hitokage said:
Oh definitely, when I replied though I considered his circumstances as either a case OR my suggestion of aftermarket component cooling. A specially made case probably would cut noise, but given the choice, I would rather invest in solutions that would make a more significant impact. I think in the end I spent about £100 on cooling, and I think it was worth it. I pretty much covered all the bases, a holistic process as you say:
CPU -> Scythe Shuriken Rev. B, specifically bought as it is one of the quietest
GPU -> Arctic Cooling Accelero Twin Turbo. I also bought a dedicated VRM heatsink which just sits in there radiating heat.
Thermal Paste -> spread tons of MX-2 on CPU and GPU
Case -> got a large budget Coolermaster case with a 120mm fan. HDD doesn't rattle at all.
PSU -> I only buy Corsairs for this reason.
My mantra is, as long as you buy quality parts with good reviews from reputable manufacturers, they will do their job.
brain_stew
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NorrenRadd said:
Upping your budget by a $100 would be a great help, you'll not have to compromise much that way whereas without it you're going to end up with a lot of iffy parts. Use the parts in this post as a base reference:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19946382&postcount=3245
Hmm, first I've heard of the grey screen/stripe issue. I certainly haven't had it yet on my 5850. A few days ago I kept getting an annoying 'overclocking failed' at boot warning but I think it was related to a power bump we had. Just had to unplug my psu and reboot, seemed to resolve it. I also overclock the shit out my system (900/1250 @1.1V on the 5850).
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brain_stew said:
Okay so the 630 is the way to go?
Also, I don't really need a case, I can use my old one (Thermaltake Xaser III). What PSU do I need to run that 5770?
I'm hoping to capitalize on a Fry's CPU/MB combo for the 620/630 so that will save me some $
A stock cooler on that processor will be fine?
Odious Tea
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How do you get voltage control in MSI Afterburner?
brain_stew
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NorrenRadd said:
Depends on the individual PSU really. You certainly shouldn't ever need more than a decent 500w PSU for any single GPU rig though, at the very least.
Stock cooler should be fine if you're keeping your voltage at stock (which should still be good for an OC upto ~3.2ghz or so). The X4 630 is extremely good value, so yeah, its the way I'd go with your sort of budget.
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Big Baybee
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I want to build a PC, but I have no idea where to start, what to buy, etc. I'm scared I'll fuck everything up.
So I was originally going to get this motherboard ($169.99):
ASUS P7P55D PRO
Now Newegg is having a sale and I see this one (normally $159.99, now $129.99):
ASUS P7P55D-E
I probably won't be doing anything like SLI, which I wouldn't be able to do with the one that's on sale. Besides the expansion slots, I can't find anything different. Is there something better with the PRO that I'm not seeing? If not, I'm going to get the one that's on sale.
First, let me say you probably won't screw anything up. PCs are pretty simple to build.
The first thing you want to do is come up with a budget. Next, search for benchmarks of components (like processors and video cards) you are thinking about purchasing. Come up with a few options and weight the performance vs. the cost. It seems like for processors, AMD currently has the best performance vs. cost, but Intel has the edge on overall performance with their i7 and i5 lineup. You could make an awesome build with either one.
Once you have everything chosen, you can post it here to have people check it over. You'll either get the thumbs up, or a few suggestions on what components you may want to change.
ASUS P7P55D PRO
Now Newegg is having a sale and I see this one (normally $159.99, now $129.99):
ASUS P7P55D-E
I probably won't be doing anything like SLI, which I wouldn't be able to do with the one that's on sale. Besides the expansion slots, I can't find anything different. Is there something better with the PRO that I'm not seeing? If not, I'm going to get the one that's on sale.
Big Baybee said:
First, let me say you probably won't screw anything up. PCs are pretty simple to build.
The first thing you want to do is come up with a budget. Next, search for benchmarks of components (like processors and video cards) you are thinking about purchasing. Come up with a few options and weight the performance vs. the cost. It seems like for processors, AMD currently has the best performance vs. cost, but Intel has the edge on overall performance with their i7 and i5 lineup. You could make an awesome build with either one.
Once you have everything chosen, you can post it here to have people check it over. You'll either get the thumbs up, or a few suggestions on what components you may want to change.
I noticed the USB 3 thing after posting and thought Newegg might have forgotten to add that to the PRO's specs. I just looked it up, and it appears it does not have any USB 3 ports. I didn't notice the 6GB SATA ports, but that sure can't hurt either. There's another strike against the PRO.Fredescu said:
captain wow
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Finally got my 5850 issues sorted, was the psu apparently. As soon as i installed my new one i got a good 20fps jump in crysis warhead. The same friend i got the card from gave me his old ram so ive now got 8gb, perfect after seeing the metro 2033 requirements!
captain wow
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GHG said:
Dont remember the name of my previous psu ill have a look later but it was a 550w no named thing that i struggled to find by googling it. Replaced it with a corsair 650w one. Dont know if that was actually what was causing my problems to be honest but its all working nicely now.
ChoklitReign
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How important are thermal paste and heatsinks to keep my CPU and GPU running properly?
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People say you should replace it once a year for optimum cooling. It sort of dries out over time, at least the stuff I left on for 7 years did. It's a decent idea to replace any generic stuff with a good brand like MX-2. MX-2 has the advantage over Arctic Silver 5 paste, not only in temps, but also because it can be used on GPUs safely (AS5 has certain metals in it that can harm GPU parts... apparently).ChoklitReign said:
A generic heatsink will do the job just fine - it's the noise and additional heat caused by overclocking that people want to improve. Just keep it clear of dust and it'll do you well provided you don't need/want a new heatsink.
ChoklitReign
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So should I get it for a new build?
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It's like $5 for a tube that will last years, so yeah.ChoklitReign said:
captain wow
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Looking to overclock my 5850 now but the fan is crazy loud. Any suggestions for cooling? Same goes for my cpu actually. Although its not too hot with my current OC i feel i could push it a bit further with some better cooling.
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Arctic Cooling Accelero Twin Turbo, or Scythe Musashi VGA cooler. I'd recommend the former, though you can't go wrong either way.captain wow said:
fatty
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OK guys, since Starcraft 2 is coming up pretty quick I think I'm ready to start building. I see it coming out around May to July timeframe so unless a new processor or graphics card comes out that will be the new bang for your buck standard I figure I should start doing my research now.
My brother just built one and I'd like something similar to his (basically I want to run Starcraft 2 at max settings with the option of future upgrade-ability):
So far I have:
Antec 300 computer case ($30 after promo and rebate)
Saitek Eclipse II keyboard ($20 after promo)
Next on my to get list is a power supply. I'm considering getting the CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V from newegg for $69.99 after promo and rebate. Could you guys let me know your thoughts on this one or if there is a better one that I should be looking at?
My main goal is to have a good PC for gaming (though I don't really play FPS) and Home Theater use. I don't care too much for overclocking (haven't tried it yet), but more with a nice reliable rig that I don't have to worry about overheating.
Thanks for your help, I'll keep updating as I go forward as this will be a work in progress. Thanks again! Budget is under $1000 but ideally I'd like to keep it much less that's why I'm on the lookout for the deals in the next couple of months.
My brother just built one and I'd like something similar to his (basically I want to run Starcraft 2 at max settings with the option of future upgrade-ability):
Mi hermano's buildo said:
So far I have:
Antec 300 computer case ($30 after promo and rebate)
Saitek Eclipse II keyboard ($20 after promo)
Next on my to get list is a power supply. I'm considering getting the CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V from newegg for $69.99 after promo and rebate. Could you guys let me know your thoughts on this one or if there is a better one that I should be looking at?
My main goal is to have a good PC for gaming (though I don't really play FPS) and Home Theater use. I don't care too much for overclocking (haven't tried it yet), but more with a nice reliable rig that I don't have to worry about overheating.
Thanks for your help, I'll keep updating as I go forward as this will be a work in progress. Thanks again! Budget is under $1000 but ideally I'd like to keep it much less that's why I'm on the lookout for the deals in the next couple of months.
vocab said:
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemai...c=EMC-IGNEFL022510-_-email-_-E0-_-Combo#Combo
My mobo cpu combo is $30 less right now :lol
Tiger strikes back amazing deal here http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3228&sku=B69-1186
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 3.0GHz system
diztrukted
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question PC Gaf,
I'm in the market for a new SSD and people have been recommending the Intel X25-M Main 80 gig SSD. So, I put this on my wish list a few months ago, and at the time this was around $300 ($288.00 to be exact) on newegg. So now that I get the chance to buy it, its now $219.00 and not that I'm complaining, I just wonder whats with the sudden price drop? Is there a firmware bug that I don't know about? are they planning on releasing a new SSD model?
I'm in the market for a new SSD and people have been recommending the Intel X25-M Main 80 gig SSD. So, I put this on my wish list a few months ago, and at the time this was around $300 ($288.00 to be exact) on newegg. So now that I get the chance to buy it, its now $219.00 and not that I'm complaining, I just wonder whats with the sudden price drop? Is there a firmware bug that I don't know about? are they planning on releasing a new SSD model?
since i jumped to 1080p gaming my HD4850 jumps to around 90c @ 75% fan speed
That accellero twin turbo seems REALLY nice and cheap too, but i saw a YT vid where someone had some trouble with installing it, a vram heatsink hit the coole rheatsink, any problems with that in general?
from what i heard the next gen is being worked on atm, smaller nm so cheaper price for more gb
That accellero twin turbo seems REALLY nice and cheap too, but i saw a YT vid where someone had some trouble with installing it, a vram heatsink hit the coole rheatsink, any problems with that in general?
diztrukted said:
from what i heard the next gen is being worked on atm, smaller nm so cheaper price for more gb
diztrukted
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Tiduz said:
So it'd probably be best to wait then? I'm sure these next gen ones are going to cost an arm, a leg, and your first born son. I don't know, maybe this is good, this way I can get these for far less then I what I would've paid in november. I just find it odd that price changed so drastically in a matter of months.
Not just that, I compared the prices between NCIXUS an NEWEGG and NCIXUS has it for 267.00 not including shipping. Am I missing something here, like a newegg liquidation sale where all Intel SSD's have to go (I actually wouldn't mind that),lol.
I guess I'll get the 80 gig from newegg, and if I feel buyers remorse I'll just return it. Thanks Tiduz!
diztrukted said:
i guess its supply and demand too, theyve been hard to get for a while in my country, around 5 week backorder.
And when the next gen hits, i dunno, but WHEN it does i suspect big pricedrops
im in the middle of building a core i7 system myself and am going with the x-25m 80gb. cause im not a patient person
Odious Tea
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Reposting in hopes of an answer. I think bumping the voltage a bit would fix my problems, but I wanna be sure to be safe. Thanks.Odious Tea said:
Go to this site for the tools and info. http://forums.techpowerup.com/index.phpOdious Tea said:
diztrukted
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Tiduz said:i guess its supply and demand too, theyve been hard to get for a while in my country, around 5 week backorder.
And when the next gen hits, i dunno, but WHEN it does i suspect big pricedrops
im in the middle of building a core i7 system myself and am going with the x-25m 80gb. cause im not a patient person
me too, lol....me tooo
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Tiduz said:
I had to buy an extra VRM heatsink because of this, but iirc that issue only affected the 4870 and 4890. You'd need to check online to see if it affected the 4850 as well.
Only other minor issue is that one of the cooling pipes sort of crushes one of the RAM heatsinks, so I had to move the RAM heatsink up by a few milimeters. Also, I don't know if this will be an issue for your smaller card, but some of the screws to adjust the positioning of the heatsink are too hard to get off. I don't think it really matters.. you're GPU just won't look as symmetrical.
Hazaro said:
The RAM sinks stick fine, but the VRM sinks fucking suck.
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fatty said:
Tech Report just updated their system guides today, taking a look through that would be a great starting point I think.
I don't know how much you've been paying attention to the complaining over Starcraft 2, but basically to boil it down, the game limits itself to use about 25% of a high-end system, delivering a sub-60fps experience. It doesn't use the GPU well, and it doesn't use the CPU well either, so don't go by it at all as much as you'd like to.
The most important thing for it right now is a modern CPU, so it performs best under overclocked i5/7s, but performance of the final build should hopefully be much better. I posted a link to a chart showing CPU performance a page or two back, check that out if you want more concrete #s on how CPUs are stacking up, and remember those numbers should basically be over DOUBLE, if only Starcraft 2 used more than 1.5 cores and the GPU fully.
Big Baybee
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After doing a bit of research, this is what I've come up with so far.
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
HardDrive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
MotherBoard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128406
Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
My Budget is somewhere between the $800-$900 dollar range. closer to $800. I'm buying the parts over time. I figured I might as well do this right the first time instead of going the cheapo route. Whadayathink?
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
HardDrive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
MotherBoard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128406
Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
My Budget is somewhere between the $800-$900 dollar range. closer to $800. I'm buying the parts over time. I figured I might as well do this right the first time instead of going the cheapo route. Whadayathink?
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Big Baybee said:
Don't do this. Three months down the line when you finally get the last piece, the first piece you bought will be out of date and 20% cheaper.
Lord Phol
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What Gafs take on the PowerColor brand?
I heard both good and bad things, like they use inferior parts for the graphics cards, as well as texture and flickering problems.
The computer I've ordered is being built with a PowerColor HD5850, so I'm a bit worried it might fail on me. It's an expensive computer, and i'm not the most technical of guys.
This is the computer btw, it's goes for a total of ~1700$.
I heard both good and bad things, like they use inferior parts for the graphics cards, as well as texture and flickering problems.
The computer I've ordered is being built with a PowerColor HD5850, so I'm a bit worried it might fail on me. It's an expensive computer, and i'm not the most technical of guys.
This is the computer btw, it's goes for a total of ~1700$.
Odious Tea
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I made my way there on my own, I just don't know how to decipher which are safe and which are not.vazel said:
Help me PC-GAF, you're my only hope!
I'm looking to build my first HTPC, and I don't have much (read: any) experience with HTPC's. I've never even used one. I have build quite a few desktops though, so I can handle the assembly part fine.
The reason I want to build an HTPC is the new Radeon 5450. From everything I've read, this is the video card for an HTPC. I just have no idea what else to put in it because I haven't been following the PC hardware scene for a few years now. I really have no idea what is out there.
I want it to replace my PS3 as my bluray player as well, so keep in mind that I will be watching 1080p videos on this thing.
The only criteria I have are that it is as quiet as possible (another plus for the 5450 due to it's passive cooling) and that it has a lot of HD space - 2TB or more.
Budget is not really an issue, so just recommend away. Especially cases. Most of the HTPC cases I've seen are either cheap and crappy looking, or cost $500 and have a 52-inch touch screen. I'd like a nice middle ground. :lol
I'm looking to build my first HTPC, and I don't have much (read: any) experience with HTPC's. I've never even used one. I have build quite a few desktops though, so I can handle the assembly part fine.
The reason I want to build an HTPC is the new Radeon 5450. From everything I've read, this is the video card for an HTPC. I just have no idea what else to put in it because I haven't been following the PC hardware scene for a few years now. I really have no idea what is out there.
I want it to replace my PS3 as my bluray player as well, so keep in mind that I will be watching 1080p videos on this thing.
The only criteria I have are that it is as quiet as possible (another plus for the 5450 due to it's passive cooling) and that it has a lot of HD space - 2TB or more.
Budget is not really an issue, so just recommend away. Especially cases. Most of the HTPC cases I've seen are either cheap and crappy looking, or cost $500 and have a 52-inch touch screen. I'd like a nice middle ground. :lol
fatty
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Minsc said:
Thanks for the help, I read up on SC2 a couple pages back and I'm hoping that by the time the actual game comes out that most of the issues (shaders, etc.) will be cleared up. SC2 isn't what the system will be built specifically for, but it will be THE game that is played on it for the coming years so as long as it runs smoothly and looks really good I'll be happy.
I'll be sure to check out the techreport link you posted, seems very helpful. Along with the PSU stated above and with just a tiny bit of research I'm leaning toward an i5 processor and an ATI Radeon HD 5770 for my graphics card (seems to be low power consumption with good performance) but I still need to check out that link first.