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Archie said:
Newegg has the Phenom II X6 in stock for $210. Have there been any tests/benchmarks on it? I'm still a few months away from buying my PC and I was going to go with an i5, but if the X6 is better than I would go that route.
Phenom II X6 1055T
$208.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10012571&prodlist=gan


Phenom II X6 1055T
$222.29
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003FVNC0Q/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition
$324.65
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003FVI2KQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
So I'm working on my first desktop ever and I'd like some help/opinions/suggestions. Stuff so far:

Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $109.99
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor $180.99
RAM: CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 $114.99
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.99

Price so far: $505.96
Target Price: <$800, though I can go over a bit if necessary.

Is all that stuff good? I've read a bunch of the newegg reviews, and they seem pretty good; just want some GAF opinions. Is there anything wildly better for a fairly similar price; will this stuff be outdated in like a month?

I know I still need a GPU and a Motherboard (anything else I'm missing, other than the obvious keyboard/mouse/monitor and hard drives/disc drives?).

What GPUs are good but preferably under 200$ or 150$ ideally? I'm mostly looking to be able to run StarCraft 2 on Ultra with no slowdown or other issues or anything. And is SLI or whatever it is where you have two video cards worth it?

I have no idea what to look for in a motherboard. I plan on eventually filling the case with 6 hard drives + DVD drive (maybe a burner) + a floppy drive (juuuuuuuust in case). I have no idea if that information is actually helpful or not. Umm... That's all I can think of for now, any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
 
Jokey665 said:
So I'm working on my first desktop ever and I'd like some help/opinions/suggestions. Stuff so far:

Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $109.99
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor $180.99
RAM: CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 $114.99
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.99

Price so far: $505.96
Target Price: <$800, though I can go over a bit if necessary.

Is all that stuff good? I've read a bunch of the newegg reviews, and they seem pretty good; just want some GAF opinions. Is there anything wildly better for a fairly similar price; will this stuff be outdated in like a month?

I know I still need a GPU and a Motherboard (anything else I'm missing, other than the obvious keyboard/mouse/monitor and hard drives/disc drives?).

What GPUs are good but preferably under 200$ or 150$ ideally? I'm mostly looking to be able to run StarCraft 2 on Ultra with no slowdown or other issues or anything. And is SLI or whatever it is where you have two video cards worth it?

I have no idea what to look for in a motherboard. I plan on eventually filling the case with 6 hard drives + DVD drive (maybe a burner) + a floppy drive (juuuuuuuust in case). I have no idea if that information is actually helpful or not. Umm... That's all I can think of for now, any feedback would be greatly appreciated!


2 more cores and better OCing headroom for an extra $30 (and the clockspeed difference is only 100mhz due to turbo boost support):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...103851&cm_re=phenom_x6-_-19-103-851-_-Product
 
i wanna get another 5770 to have crossfire and i need a good benchmark site to see how big of an improvment it will be, and if the performance will be equal to a 5850 card.
anybody know a good site or have a link
 
Between the slight price difference and increased flexibility the 1055T seems like a clear winner over a 965BE.
If I was in the market for something like a 955 (or even a budget Athlon II X4 630 type build) I'd almost certainly stretch to an X6 as well.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6052731&CatId=4432


14959p0.jpg




This is getting interesting...
 
·feist· said:
Between the slight price difference and increased flexibility the 1055T seems like a clear winner over a 965BE.
If I was in the market for something like a 955 (or even a budget Athlon II X4 630 type build) I'd almost certainly stretch to an X6 as well.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6052731&CatId=4432


14959p0.jpg




This is getting interesting...

HOLY SHIT!

That's completely ridiculous, I can't recommend this enough. In the market for a CPU / new PC then just go ahead and buy this, its really not worth considering anything else imo, the bang:buck is just completely off the charts.

Edit: Remember this clocks upto 3.3ghz when using three threads or less, its an absolute beast.
 
Hopefully my second-hand Q9550 should arrive today, all this six-core talk and I'm very excited to finally get on the quad core ladder, those new AMD chips look awful nice for the money though.

Next up 5850 and that should be me done for a while.
 
In Europe, the i5/i7s are still a better choice. In most benchmark I've seen the i5 and i7 just outperforms the 1055 and the 1090. And the Intel processors are at most 20-30 euros more expensive then their AMD counterparts.
 
Reading online, it looks like the Core i5 performs better at gaming (which is what I'd primarily be using my computer for) but $150 is a very nice bargain. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? I can afford to buy the X6 right now and just put it in my closet or something until I can afford the rest of the system, lol. Also, what kind of power supply would I need to overclock something like that? I was planning to get this case/PSU combo but 500W seems kinda low.
 
Archie said:
Reading online, it looks like the Core i5 performs better at gaming (which is what I'd primarily be using my computer for) but $150 is a very nice bargain. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? I can afford to buy the X6 right now and just put it in my closet or something until I can afford the rest of the system, lol. Also, what kind of power supply would I need to overclock something like that? I was planning to get this case/PSU combo but 500W seems kinda low.
Depends. What type of system you're aiming to build?
 
Archie said:
Reading online, it looks like the Core i5 performs better at gaming (which is what I'd primarily be using my computer for) but $150 is a very nice bargain. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? I can afford to buy the X6 right now and just put it in my closet or something until I can afford the rest of the system, lol. Also, what kind of power supply would I need to overclock something like that? I was planning to get this case/PSU combo but 500W seems kinda low.

The difference in today's games is pretty much none existant between an i5-750 and an X6 Phenom with a typical single GPU setup, you might as well have those extra two cores for future games and other tasks imo. I just can't recommend a i5-750 anymore.

We've had this sort of "contest" in the past. Athlon 64 4000+ vs. Athlon X2 3800 and e8400 vs. q6600 are good points of comparison and in both those cases those who bought more cores ended up with the much better buy in the end. Its surprising just how quickly software (including games) is becoming increasingly multi threaded and historically people tend to underestimate the progress.

Remember in tasks that only use three cores or less this is a 3.3ghz Phenom ii, that sort of chip can mop up any of that software and it really isn't a million miles away from an i5-750 in performance.

Oh and you've also got a confirmed upgrade path in octo core Bulldozers, so yeah, AMD is the way to go for those looking for bang for their buck. If its performance you want then the Core i7 970 is your best option imo. Its the only worthwile step up from the $200 CPUs.
 
Archie said:
Thanks. I pretty much take your word on PC stuff as gospel. I'll probably grab the X6 this afternoon.

Don't do that. I'm just one voice in the choir and I do make mistakes. I try my best but take on board the opinion of as many as you can and prioritise what matters to you.

Edit: For those in the UK wanting a big ass media drive for cheap, Ebuyer have a 1.5TB Samsung F2 Ecogreen drive for £70:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166989

No good for an OS drive but perfect for backups and media and as cheap as it gets in terms of GB:£ and I'm strongly considering getting one as my drives are pretty much full.
 
brain_stew said:
The difference in today's games is pretty much none existant between an i5-750 and an X6 Phenom with a typical single GPU setup, you might as well have those extra two cores for future games and other tasks imo. I just can't recommend a i5-750 anymore.

We've had this sort of "contest" in the past. Athlon 64 4000+ vs. Athlon X2 3800 and e8400 vs. q6600 are good points of comparison and in both those cases those who bought more cores ended up with the much better buy in the end. Its surprising just how quickly software (including games) is becoming increasingly multi threaded and historically people tend to underestimate the progress.

Remember in tasks that only use three cores or less this is a 3.3ghz Phenom ii, that sort of chip can mop up any of that software and it really isn't a million miles away from an i5-750 in performance.

Oh and you've also got a confirmed upgrade path in octo core Bulldozers, so yeah, AMD is the way to go for those looking for bang for their buck. If its performance you want then the Core i7 970 is your best option imo. Its the only worthwile step up from the $200 CPUs.
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I agree, but sometimes people find good local bargains on the 4 core i7 920/930s, which beat the X6s in multi-threaded gaming engines, like Valve's Particle Simulation test. A $200 i5 860 or i7 920/930 would give the X6 a run for its money, and probably beat it most of the time I think. The 980X scores literally double the X6, despite having the same # of cores... something to keep in mind.

Plus the X6s use more wattage than the i5 and i7s, though that is only a minor consideration, it will add a small cost to the PC over its lifetime.
 
brain_stew said:
Edit: Remember this clocks upto 3.3ghz when using three threads or less, its an absolute beast.

Any good place you can recommend where I can read how this works? Do you disable cores? Does it require OC? Does it work with the stock cooler?

Edit: never mind, I see Anand covers it in his review.
 
·feist· said:
Along those lines, Newegg has the 2TB Samsung F3 5400rpm HDD for $119 + free shipping.


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3EG HD203WI
2TB 5400 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$30 off w/ promo code HD4263, 48-hours only
$149.99
Free Shipping

$119.99 after 48-hour code

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152202


I have no idea when the 48-hour period began, though.
Man, I've been waiting for a price drop on a 2TB drive for months, and when it finally happens I have no cash :lol
 
Minsc said:
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I agree, but sometimes people find good local bargains on the 4 core i7 920/930s, which beat the X6s in multi-threaded gaming engines, like Valve's Particle Simulation test. A $200 i5 860 or i7 920/930 would give the X6 a run for its money, and probably beat it most of the time I think. The 980X scores literally double the X6, despite having the same # of cores... something to keep in mind.

Plus the X6s use more wattage than the i5 and i7s, though that is only a minor consideration, it will add a small cost to the PC over its lifetime.

A $200 I7 or i5-860 is indeed a great deal but they're normally $300 CPUs, the i5-750 is its current competitor and weighing everything up I just have to side with the AMD chip every time. Simply having a recognised upgrade path could be enough to swing things imo. That's an area where Intel have really dropped the ball.

Oh, and you're right I shouldn't have left out the higher TDP. It wouldn't sway me but a 125w CPU is pretty difficult to class as "mainstream".

Its hard to judge really, as we're going future software trends, but I think I just prefer to err on the side of "buy the most cores your money will get you" as honestly, any 3ghz quad core CPU is more than enough for today's software and in the past this route has always seemed the best option. Anyone who bought a Q6600 instead of an E8400 back when many sites were pushing gamers to the latter can attest to this.


Now if only these AMD chips offered hyper threading.............


I should probably clarify I'm not biggest fan of the $300 variant, I think Intel may just have better options at that pricepoint but that $200 chip, damn, that things priced to fly off the shelves. My argument of course would be that most are set with that $200 chip and if you want more performance then aim for the upcoming "mainstream" 12 thread i7-970, it'll be a big leap in price , sure, but its the next big breakthrough in performance and it definitely justifies a price premium. I don't think anything below it really offer enough to justify the expense over AMD's new $200 hexa core, personally.
 
dekjo said:
Any good place you can recommend where I can read how this works? Do you disable cores? Does it require OC? Does it work with the stock cooler?

Edit: never mind, I see Anand covers it in his review.

Yeah, its just AMD's take on Intel's turbo boost technology and its all automatic. It pretty much makes some of AMD's best selling chips like the 940, 955 and 965 defunct! :lol There's just no good reason to not make the step up to a hexa core.
 
Here comes another one-

It's been about 4-5 years since I've upgraded my MB and processor.

I'm looking for a MB, 4 GB RAM and a processor for about $500. I may need a PSU, although I just bought a 600watt PSU 6 months ago for my current system (P4 3.4ghz, 9800 GT).

Doesn't have to be completely kick ass, but that 3.4ghz CPU just isn't cutting it anymore.

Oh god I guess I need a copy of Windows 7 too.

What do you guys suggest?
 
brain_stew said:
The difference in today's games is pretty much none existant between an i5-750 and an X6 Phenom with a typical single GPU setup, you might as well have those extra two cores for future games and other tasks imo. I just can't recommend a i5-750 anymore.

We've had this sort of "contest" in the past. Athlon 64 4000+ vs. Athlon X2 3800 and e8400 vs. q6600 are good points of comparison and in both those cases those who bought more cores ended up with the much better buy in the end. Its surprising just how quickly software (including games) is becoming increasingly multi threaded and historically people tend to underestimate the progress.

Remember in tasks that only use three cores or less this is a 3.3ghz Phenom ii, that sort of chip can mop up any of that software and it really isn't a million miles away from an i5-750 in performance.

Oh and you've also got a confirmed upgrade path in octo core Bulldozers, so yeah, AMD is the way to go for those looking for bang for their buck. If its performance you want then the Core i7 970 is your best option imo. Its the only worthwile step up from the $200 CPUs.

What!?! Since when? I thought these 6 core CPU's were pretty much the end of the line for AM3. So your trying to tell me I will be able to upgrade to an 8 (or even 16) core CPU when these things come out without having to upgrade my mobo?

*Runs round in circles*
 
I don't really understand why the i5-750 hasn't dropped in price. I bought mine quite a few months ago for like $150 and I look now and the MSRP is $200? I guess Intel has been able to get away with it lately, but with that thing hitting shelves they'd better react fast.
 
brain_stew said:
Yeah, its just AMD's take on Intel's turbo boost technology and its all automatic. It pretty much makes some of AMD's best selling chips like the 940, 955 and 965 defunct! :lol There's just no good reason to not make the step up to a hexa core.

Kinda makes me cry since I just purchased a 965BE but it was cheap. Until games are quadcore optimised the impact on gaming will be minimal for hexacores so it is no big loss.

Edit - After seeing the below I'll just wait for them Zambezi's CPU's :D
 
GHG said:
What!?! Since when? I thought these 6 core CPU's were pretty much the end of the line for AM3. So your trying to tell me I will be able to upgrade to an 8 (or even 16) core CPU when these things come out without having to upgrade my mobo?

*Runs round in circles*

At least the first generation of Bulldozers will use the AM3 platform, yes. Now, there's no guarantees that your motherboard will support them but the chances are very good yes, and I'd say anyone buying a 890GX/FX board from Gigabyte/Asus/MSI are pretty much guaranteed this and potentially so are a lot more people, including you (assuming you have DDR3 RAM ofcourse).

See:

2ivl5vq.jpg
 
FlyinJ said:
Here comes another one-

It's been about 4-5 years since I've upgraded my MB and processor.

I'm looking for a MB, 4 GB RAM and a processor for about $500. I may need a PSU, although I just bought a 600watt PSU 6 months ago for my current system (P4 3.4ghz, 9800 GT).

Doesn't have to be completely kick ass, but that 3.4ghz CPU just isn't cutting it anymore.

Oh god I guess I need a copy of Windows 7 too.

What do you guys suggest?

Easy:

MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&Tpk=890gx gigabyte

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227495

Thats under the budget.

If you're looking to include the OS and PSU in that budget you might struggle a bit though. If thats the case go for this processor instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...03704&cm_re=amd_x4_630-_-19-103-704-_-Product

or even this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...103652&cm_re=phenom_x3-_-19-103-652-_-Product
 
brain_stew said:
A $200 I7 or i5-860 is indeed a great deal but they're normally $300 CPUs, the i5-750 is its current competitor and weighing everything up I just have to side with the AMD chip every time. Simply having a recognised upgrade path could be enough to swing things imo. That's an area where Intel have really dropped the ball.

Oh, and you're right I shouldn't have left out the higher TDP. It wouldn't sway me but a 125w CPU is pretty difficult to class as "mainstream".

Its hard to judge really, as we're going future software trends, but I think I just prefer to err on the side of "buy the most cores your money will get you" as honestly, any 3ghz quad core CPU is more than enough for today's software and in the past this route has always seemed the best option. Anyone who bought a Q6600 instead of an E8400 back when many sites were pushing gamers to the latter can attest to this.


Now if only these AMD chips offered hyper threading.............


I should probably clarify I'm not biggest fan of the $300 variant, I think Intel may just have better options at that pricepoint but that $200 chip, damn, that things priced to fly off the shelves. My argument of course would be that most are set with that $200 chip and if you want more performance then aim for the upcoming "mainstream" 12 thread i7-970, it'll be a big leap in price , sure, but its the next big breakthrough in performance and it definitely justifies a price premium. I don't think anything below it really offer enough to justify the expense over AMD's new $200 hexa core, personally.

Well said, I really have nothing further to contribute! I think people buying these CPUs are really going to enjoy them, and hopefully like you said, they make the 955/965 defunct, so maybe prices will finally drop a bit... something the GPU market can use too!

Wallach said:
I don't really understand why the i5-750 hasn't dropped in price. I bought mine quite a few months ago for like $150 and I look now and the MSRP is $200? I guess Intel has been able to get away with it lately, but with that thing hitting shelves they'd better react fast.

They're pretty much touted as one of the best CPUs you can buy for gaming, even high-end gaming they perform similarly to more expensive CPUs. Most guides use them in their configurations, so they're selling extremely well, even if price did go up a little. The MSRP is actually $199 though, so you just got a good deal when you bought yours... historically they've always been around $200 afaik.
 
brain_stew said:
At least the first generation of Bulldozers will use the AM3 platform, yes. Now, there's no guarantees that your motherboard will support them but the chances are very good yes, and I'd say anyone buying a 890GX/FX board from Gigabyte/Asus/MSI are pretty much guaranteed this and potentially so are a lot more people, including you (assuming you have DDR3 RAM ofcourse).

See:

2ivl5vq.jpg

Nice. I got an 790xta chipset (one of the last of the 790 variants since the 890's weren't available yet when I bought) so we will see. Gigabyte are normally good with this kind of thing though.
 
FlyinJ said:
Here comes another one-

It's been about 4-5 years since I've upgraded my MB and processor.

I'm looking for a MB, 4 GB RAM and a processor for about $500. I may need a PSU, although I just bought a 600watt PSU 6 months ago for my current system (P4 3.4ghz, 9800 GT).

Doesn't have to be completely kick ass, but that 3.4ghz CPU just isn't cutting it anymore.

Oh god I guess I need a copy of Windows 7 too.

What do you guys suggest?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...103851&cm_re=phenom_x6-_-19-103-851-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&cm_re=890gx-_-13-128-435-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0231277&cm_re=4gb_ddr3-_-20-231-277-_-Product

~$450

Excellent motherboard with crossfire support, a reconginised upgrade path, USB3, Sata 6

A fast 6 core CPU

4GB of very reliable and OCable RAM.
 
Minsc said:
They're pretty much touted as one of the best CPUs you can buy for gaming, even high-end gaming they perform similarly to more expensive CPUs. Most guides use them in their configurations, so they're selling extremely well, even if price did go up a little. The MSRP is actually $199 though, so you just got a good deal when you bought yours... historically they've always been around $200 afaik.

They were always an incredible deal at $200, the best value performance CPU around imo (I never saw the 965 as a viable alternative as some did) before these new AMD chips so there was never a need for them to drop in price. I think Intel would sooner replace it with a higher clocked variant before budging from that $200 pricetag.
 
brain_stew said:

Same as mine apart from the RAM :P .

Those 6 cores will sell like hotcakes. Will be interesting to see how they're priced in the UK.
 
GHG said:
Same as mine apart from the RAM :P .

Those 6 cores will sell like hotcakes. Will be interesting to see how they're priced in the UK.

I tend to shy away from recommending OCZ RAM as if you look carefully they almost always require extra voltage to reach the advertised spec, which is a little misleading and not exactly desirable imo. Having said that, I have got 4 sticks of OCZ RAM in my PC! :lol
 
Just installed my Q9550 that I received today, only running at @ 3.4ghz atm but it's hitting 78c in Prime95 :-(, I am using a 'Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2', cpu cooler, I tried remounting the heat-sink a few times now using AS5 thermal compound but no joy on lowering the temps, my room temp is 26c ambient though so maybe this is the problem ?
 
Thanks for all the advice guys. Very helpful as I don't know a damn thing about processors these days.

Now, as for getting Windows 7 for a decent price. It seems like these "premade" systems I'm looking at have semi-decent processors and RAM in them, but the price is still <500 with Win7 included.

I'm assuming this is because manufacturers get a special deal on OEMing Win7 into these boxes for super cheap. I actually priced out the components in these boxes, and if I were to buy them separately and buy Win7, it would be -twice- the price. That's so absurd.
 
brain_stew said:
I tend to shy away from recommending OCZ RAM as if you look carefully they almost always require extra voltage to reach the advertised spec, which is a little misleading and not exactly desirable imo. Having said that, I have got 4 sticks of OCZ RAM in my PC! :lol

Its the same as the Corsair DDR3 I have. Its because AM3 boards will default RAM to 1333mhz for stability issues. Regardless of brand, if you pair a Phenom with 1600mhz ram the motherboard bios will drop it down to 1333mhz, so you'll need to do a little bit of tweaking (timings and volts) if you want it stable at 1600mhz.

Theres no difference in price between 1333 and 1600 DDR3 anyway so everyone may aswell get the 1600 even if they don't intend to tweak so that they have the option there should they want to.

EDIT:

FlyinJ said:
Thanks for all the advice guys. Very helpful as I don't know a damn thing about processors these days.

Now, as for getting Windows 7 for a decent price. It seems like these "premade" systems I'm looking at have semi-decent processors and RAM in them, but the price is still <500 with Win7 included.

I'm assuming this is because manufacturers get a special deal on OEMing Win7 into these boxes for super cheap. I actually priced out the components in these boxes, and if I were to buy them separately and buy Win7, it would be -twice- the price. That's so absurd.

Can you post examples of these pre-built systems? The catch with them is they have dodgy PSU's, cheap mobos and terrible graphics cards so your upgrade options beyond that system will be severly limited. Also, I'm not entirely convinced you'll even be getting a decent CPU (or even DDR3 ram) for your money.
 
I just remembered I have a copy of Vista Pro that I never even opened. Can I get the Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade and use it to upgrade my Vista Pro?

How does this upgrade thing work exactly? Do I have to install Vista Pro on the drive first? I never actually installed Vista, I just stuck with XP all these years.
 
FlyinJ said:
I just remembered I have a copy of Vista Pro that I never even opened. Can I get the Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade and use it to upgrade my Vista Pro?

How does this upgrade thing work exactly? Do I have to install Vista Pro on the drive first? I never actually installed Vista, I just stuck with XP all these years.

Yes you can. You can even do it with XP as well.
 
I'm thinking I don't want to deal with the hassle of building a box myself. Anybody have a favorite place for pre-builts? I saw the Maingear link up top. Any advice?
 
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