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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition
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Technosteve
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gtx 460 is better then gtx 465 wtf? I need to lerk the other thread
alanias said:
If you want detailed help with a build, post your desired monitor resolution, primary uses, parts you need to buy etc, as well as your budget and country you'll be purchasing parts in. These guys are champs when it comes to this stuff but make sure you give them enough info or we'll start splitting hairs
Other... thread?Technosteve said:
*looks around
A bit late to the party with info, but I guess it was a good thing to announce it in a separate thread for everyone else.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400933
GazzaScotland
Member
I've been out the loop for a while when it comes to PC Gaming and what not. But its finally time to get something sorted, for gaming and Uni work (Doing a Games Development degree). Does this get a yay or nay?
Case: Coolmaster HAF 922
CPU: Intel i7 930 (2.80GHz)
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D Premium
RAM: 6GB Corsair XMS3 Tri-DDR 1600MHz (3x2GB)
GPU: 1GB Radeon HD 5870
Still sorting out the other parts like PSU, etc.
Cheers guys!
Case: Coolmaster HAF 922
CPU: Intel i7 930 (2.80GHz)
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D Premium
RAM: 6GB Corsair XMS3 Tri-DDR 1600MHz (3x2GB)
GPU: 1GB Radeon HD 5870
Still sorting out the other parts like PSU, etc.
Cheers guys!
That's mostly true, however it's been discovered that some brands of 465 are just locked 470 and can be unlocked with a simple BIOS flash. This is easily the best bang for buck model in the market if you don't mind unlocking which is relatively easy to do, you just need to find the right brand.Minsc said:
Ok, so my current mid-range build:
SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM 22.99
Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply 99.95
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 74.99
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard 139.99
EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 199.99 (might wait for the 1 gig version)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL 99.99
AMD Athlon II X4 635 Propus 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX635WFGIBOX 99.99
Subtotal $737.89
Assume a 30 dollar bump for the 1 gig version of the 460... anything I am doing wrong here? Will I be able to do SLI in the future with this?
Thanks for any help... I am kind of new at this.
SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM 22.99
Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply 99.95
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 74.99
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard 139.99
EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 199.99 (might wait for the 1 gig version)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL 99.99
AMD Athlon II X4 635 Propus 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX635WFGIBOX 99.99
Subtotal $737.89
Assume a 30 dollar bump for the 1 gig version of the 460... anything I am doing wrong here? Will I be able to do SLI in the future with this?
Thanks for any help... I am kind of new at this.
I really would save up to get the 955BE and a Cooler master hyper 212 plus CPU cooler. With that 635 and a stock cooler you're unlikely to get above 3.2GHZ and Athlon IIs are noticably slower at games. Going for my suggestions will net you around a 4GHZ OC and will not bottleneck you in any games and will stay relevant for a lot longer. Unless you specifically know you're going for a CF setup in the future then get a cheaper mobo as that one is overkill TBH or at least get one without inbuilt graphics since you're getting a GPU.alanias said:
ghst said:
As a fellow brit too I would just like to back what Mr_Brit and ghst have been saying and that Nvidia have had the same problem to with price and performance. I did rant about them already here:-
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22348440&postcount=102
This card is not as good as people say, its only good because of its awful previous entries, they set the bar so low, that anything good now looks some what of a success.
jambo said:
Save yourself the money and run a SMART test to confirm your HDD has gone bad, buy a new HDD and a decent CPU cooler, overclock your Q6600 to 3.4-3.6 and upgrade in a couple years when it's actually worth putting your old system to pasture.
gregor7777 said:
For a card that fails to outperform last generations 4870 it's a terrible value at 160$. Price/performance tooks a huge nosedive after the 5770 came out and compared to the 4770 when it was released was in the 110$ price range, performed on par with the 4850 and used less power. It was a great value in the 4000 series, and the moniker has done a complete 180 turn value-wise in the 5000 series. If they wanted the 5770 to be taken seriously it would retail in the <120$ range.
FleckSplat
Member
chixdiggit
Member
So thinking of doing an upgrade on my vid card. What do you guys think is a fair price to ask for my used Gigabyte GTX 260? Newegglink
Technosteve
Banned
Lkr said:Palit? I wasn't sure about the company
They have been around a while, but eh BFG was the gold standard but they are going bankrupt, XFX still has life time warranty i think they are partially owned by Nvidia? Gigabyte have been doing interesting things with after market stuff like super over clocks that they do through binning the best of the best chips.
demosthenes
Member
Lkr said:Palit? I wasn't sure about the company
That's what I bought.
I wasn't sure either so I checked Newegg for reviews on their other cards and they were pretty positive so I bought it. I'm not going to be home until later this week so I figured if horrible reviews did come out I could return it, but didn't want to miss out.
Newegg has shipped everything but my monitor, please Newegg ship it! I want it this week!
Diablohead
Member
I have been having some fun (and minor scares) today with overclocking my pc, built last year with an e7400 and gtx 260, I've been playing around with the system bios and RivaTuner all day and hit what I think to be a great sweet spot considering that I am still on stock coolers + two case fans I installed today after the questions about temp the other day in this thread.
First of all I tweaked around with RivaTuner learning about what it does and how loud my gtx fan can be at 100%, I managed to push up my card's Core and Shader clock rates from 576 to 638 / 1242 to 1375 (going by RivaTuner numbers) with the fan running at 65-75%, keeping temps below 72C. The boost helped a little bit in TF2 and raised my FFIX benchmark from the original 2685 up to 2758 :lol this is where I realise my e7400 2.8 is holding me back more then I originally realised.
So after spending HOURS reading about overclocking, voltages and ratio status I found an area in my bios which does this all automaticly under something called "overclock settings" hidden away in the voltage area
I hate changing this stuff as it always gives me butterflies but I stick it on 5% to give it a go, windows appeared fine so I gave FFIX another shot and this time it hit 2909! to me that is a nice jump from just a 5% boost. I know that I should run some CPU stress tests overnight to make sure everything is ok (I am actually running Prime95 right now at 59C) but I thought i'd give 15% a shot first, it's what I am currently on as I run the tests and the new score for FFIX this time was 3112 with quite an obvious increase in frame rate due to the test not dropping frames as often.
Tonight I will allow Prime95 to continue testing and tomorrow if all goes will try out 20% cpu overclocking but I personally don't expect to go higher then that, this machine needs to last me a good while
Overclocking is awesome, quite amazed I never tried this with my old pc years ago when it started to feel slow.
*edit* 15% going by my poor math is 2.8 up to 3.2ish
First of all I tweaked around with RivaTuner learning about what it does and how loud my gtx fan can be at 100%, I managed to push up my card's Core and Shader clock rates from 576 to 638 / 1242 to 1375 (going by RivaTuner numbers) with the fan running at 65-75%, keeping temps below 72C. The boost helped a little bit in TF2 and raised my FFIX benchmark from the original 2685 up to 2758 :lol this is where I realise my e7400 2.8 is holding me back more then I originally realised.
So after spending HOURS reading about overclocking, voltages and ratio status I found an area in my bios which does this all automaticly under something called "overclock settings" hidden away in the voltage area
I hate changing this stuff as it always gives me butterflies but I stick it on 5% to give it a go, windows appeared fine so I gave FFIX another shot and this time it hit 2909! to me that is a nice jump from just a 5% boost. I know that I should run some CPU stress tests overnight to make sure everything is ok (I am actually running Prime95 right now at 59C) but I thought i'd give 15% a shot first, it's what I am currently on as I run the tests and the new score for FFIX this time was 3112 with quite an obvious increase in frame rate due to the test not dropping frames as often.Tonight I will allow Prime95 to continue testing and tomorrow if all goes will try out 20% cpu overclocking but I personally don't expect to go higher then that, this machine needs to last me a good while
Overclocking is awesome, quite amazed I never tried this with my old pc years ago when it started to feel slow.
*edit* 15% going by my poor math is 2.8 up to 3.2ish
FleckSplat
Member
How long do you guys think an AMD Phenom II X6 1055T will last if I OC it to 4.0 GHz? I want it to last. Does OC'ing significantly reduce the lifetime of a chip?
Diablohead
Member
For what I have learned today overclocking = more voltage = more heat, and more heat = less life time before performance drops.FleckSplat said:
The time length I have no ideas especially with today's cpu chips.
FleckSplat
Member
Thanks.
FleckSplat
Member
Okay. I'm using a guide I found online, so everything should be good.
Diablohead
Member
I found this guide and the one linked from it to be quite good, but as I said in my post above in the end my bios has an automatic overclocking feature but knowing what does what helped me feel better about it all.FleckSplat said:
kinggroin said:
Athlon 635 101$
GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3 80$ after MIR
Something like that anyways. I'm assuming you already have DDR3 memory and aren't trying to use old DDR2 stuff?
brain_stew
Member
Diablohead said:I have been having some fun (and minor scares) today with overclocking my pc, built last year with an e7400 and gtx 260, I've been playing around with the system bios and RivaTuner all day and hit what I think to be a great sweet spot considering that I am still on stock coolers + two case fans I installed today after the questions about temp the other day in this thread.
First of all I tweaked around with RivaTuner learning about what it does and how loud my gtx fan can be at 100%, I managed to push up my card's Core and Shader clock rates from 576 to 638 / 1242 to 1375 (going by RivaTuner numbers) with the fan running at 65-75%, keeping temps below 72C. The boost helped a little bit in TF2 and raised my FFIX benchmark from the original 2685 up to 2758 :lol this is where I realise my e7400 2.8 is holding me back more then I originally realised.
So after spending HOURS reading about overclocking, voltages and ratio status I found an area in my bios which does this all automaticly under something called "overclock settings" hidden away in the voltage area
Tonight I will allow Prime95 to continue testing and tomorrow if all goes will try out 20% cpu overclocking but I personally don't expect to go higher then that, this machine needs to last me a good while
Overclocking is awesome, quite amazed I never tried this with my old pc years ago when it started to feel slow.
*edit* 15% going by my poor math is 2.8 up to 3.2ish
I urge you not to use automatic voltages. Its "easier" but its much more dangerous and can really mess with stability.
Also, you should be using OCCT to stress test, Prime95 no loner stresses a modern CPU nearly enough to be taken as decent judge of stability, and its also lacking in extra features (like temp momitoring, auto shut off, that sort of thing).
FleckSplat said:
As long as you keep your voltages and temps within specification, she'll be fine. Most CPUs are built like tanks and will last 10+ years just fine, an OCed chip is going to have no problem lasting through its useful life so long as its in spec.
A point of note, a good OC should be more stable, and run cooler than any CPU stuff in an off the shelf hotbox. You've just got to make sure you stick within the predefined boundaries.
Allright so I'm building a PC for FFXIV mainly, and here is what I've got so far:
CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache
Case: Antec Sonata III Black ATX 16IN Mid Tower Quiet Case 3X5.25 2X3.5 4X3.5IN 500W 120MM Fan
MOBO: Gigabyte P55M-UD2 mATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN Motherboard
RAM: G.SKILL F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-10666 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL7-7-7-21 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit
GPU: GTX 460 1GB
Monitor: Need suggestions, is the Samsung Samsung E2220X for $169 CAD any good?
I need recommendation for a CPU Cooler for overclocking (something around the $30 range) and a 1080P LCD Monitor (Sub $200) . Everything else I already have (HDD, DVD Drive etc).
CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache
Case: Antec Sonata III Black ATX 16IN Mid Tower Quiet Case 3X5.25 2X3.5 4X3.5IN 500W 120MM Fan
MOBO: Gigabyte P55M-UD2 mATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN Motherboard
RAM: G.SKILL F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-10666 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL7-7-7-21 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit
GPU: GTX 460 1GB
Monitor: Need suggestions, is the Samsung Samsung E2220X for $169 CAD any good?
I need recommendation for a CPU Cooler for overclocking (something around the $30 range) and a 1080P LCD Monitor (Sub $200) . Everything else I already have (HDD, DVD Drive etc).
brain_stew
Member
Shambles said:
He really should be aiming for an 870 motherboard and it can be done in budget. Might be able to afford a low end Phenom ii X4.
Hyper 212 Plusbardia said:
Diablohead
Member
I'll take that into account as I keep on testing, want to make sure everything is 100% before I can relax about it all.brain_stew said:
brain_stew
Member
What HDD do you currently have? It could be dog slow and a huge bottleneck.
kinggroin said:
Well that rules out the 870 boards, or USB 3.0 or SATA3 for that matter. Not that can't be solved with a 30$ card down the road. Do you need integrated video on the MB?
Here's an el cheapo 44$ motherboard that you could pair with the X6 if you only have 2 sticks of memory.
brain_stew
Member
kinggroin said:
Hmm, you really got to hold onto the DDR2 RAM? How much of it has he got?
If you go with a new DDR3 board you'll be set for a long time to come.
If you stick with a DDR2 board then just get a cheap motherboard as its only going to last for this one upgrade. A ~$70 motherboard + a 1055T X6 processor could be the ticket,
FleckSplat
Member
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
Will my corsair 400 watt PSU handle a GTX 460?
Dr.Acula said:
GeForce GTX 460: Minimum 450W or greater system power supply (with a minimum 12V current rating of 24A)
Doh.
Diablohead
Member
Metalic Sand said:
Dr.Acula said:
magical posting
brain_stew
Member
Dr.Acula said:
Huh? That PSU has 32A on its 12V rails, it'll power if just fine.
brain_stew
Member
Metalic Sand said:
That PSU is seriously underrated, can't see it having any problem really.
Baloonatic
Member
Bleh, my PSU only has one 6-pin connector. No new 460 for me I can afford one of those as well I guess.
Shambles said:
$115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1328&cm_re=radeon_5770-_-14-131-328-_-Product
512MB version, but still not too horrible. If you don't have the case or power to support a GTX 460, then its not a bad card. The only other acceptable option would be a GTS 250.
brain_stew said:
The only problem is the unit has a single 6-pin PCIE connector.
TheExodu5 said:
Sadly, not in Canadia
I'm definitely a skeptic of MIRs. I guess the next two weeks are open game on all low to mid GPU market segments after everything adjusts to the 460. Hopefully that 5770 keeps coming down.kinggroin said:
I keep forgetting those handy things exist. I don't think it comes with them from the pictures I see but they're dirt cheap to obtain anyways. Yeah the Corsair 400W is one of the best choices for 80% of PC gamers out there.