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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition

kagete said:
he has $1.5K to spend! You can go AMD for a bit above 1k and pocket the change or you can go 1.5k for i7. With that much budget, you can start looking into either an SSD, 3D gaming, expensive sound setup, a better monitor, etc. No need to blow all available cash on just the desktop. PC gaming man, you have options

I just didn't post the rig because I've been lookin at this shit all day. Here are the three options as they are now:

Antec 902 mid tower
AMD 1055T
ASUS Crosshair IV Formula Mobo
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB 1600 RAM
GTX 480
Corsair 650HX PSU
Intel X25 80GB SSD
Samsung F3 1TB HDD
Sony DVD burner
Windows 7 Premium - system pack for builders
Hyper 212 +

Price : $1654

The i5 setup has a different motherboard and case but everything else is the same and it comes out to $1584.

The i7 930 setup has a different mobo, different ram (triple channel) but everything else is the same. I get the processor from Microcenter for $200 and this build comes out to $1740.

So there's the break down.

i5 > amd > i7 in order of expense.
 
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Is this good for a budget system?

I wanted to go micro atx because I want to put the thing in a suitcase, do you think it'll cause any air flow problems?
 
1stStrike said:
Just FYI, I was a newb years ago and a guy built my first two PC's for me. He helped me pick out the parts, built them and I payed him the cost. He did it all for no additional fee. If it'll save you some cash I'd be willing to do the same. I'll even post the specs here so other gaffers can verify the build before I build it. Shoot me a PM if you're serious about it.

My last PC was an HP because I was lazy and didn't feel like building one. The case was pretty crappy, it was rivetted together so I'd have to pop the rivets out in order to get to any of the hardware, and it just didn't last the test of time like the PC's I've built on my own in the past.

I spent $1176 on my new PC. That's including a 23.6" monitor and wireless keyboard/mouse as well. I can build you one for less then that since you don't need the monitor and an SSD drive isn't a requirement (unless you want one).
:lol
 
Alright, got together two different builds with an i5 760 and an AMD Phenom II x4 965. I have no idea which one is better but we'll see. In fact, I have no idea what motherboard to get either, so these may be terrible.

AMD build:
vsj7yw.jpg


i5 build:
4uz5vo.jpg
 
I currently have an Intel c2d e8400 @3.4GHz. I don't want to upgrade my mobo or ram, so i was wondering what the best cpu upgrade i can get is. Would going to a Q6600 make a significant difference?

Thanks!
 
Alright, I'm in the market for a fairly good gaming rig.
My budget is about $800, although the more money I can save the better.

With some help from a couple friends I've compiled this:
compspecs.jpg

Any suggestions on ways to improve or save money without cutting corners would be great.
The power supply in particular is something I'm clueless on, so any recommendations there would be especially helpful. Thanks in advance!
 
Chaser said:
Alright, I'm in the market for a fairly good gaming rig.
My budget is about $800, although the more money I can save the better.

With some help from a couple friends I've compiled this:
compspecs.jpg

Any suggestions on ways to improve or save money without cutting corners would be great.
The power supply in particular is something I'm clueless on, so any recommendations there would be especially helpful. Thanks in advance!

That 5770 is a bad value. You would be better off in dropping down to a 500GB and switching to a gtx 460.
 
Stormtrooper30 said:
Alright, got together two different builds with an i5 760 and an AMD Phenom II x4 965. I have no idea which one is better but we'll see. In fact, I have no idea what motherboard to get either, so these may be terrible.

AMD build:
vsj7yw.jpg

If I'm not completely wrong, you definitely have the wrong motherboard here as it's a micro ATX mobo (read: smaller), and you seem to be building an ATX machine.
 
mcdomination said:
I currently have an Intel c2d e8400 @3.4GHz. I don't want to upgrade my mobo or ram, so i was wondering what the best cpu upgrade i can get is. Would going to a Q6600 make a significant difference?

Thanks!

Can you find a new Q6600 anywhere? I was looking at possible upgrades for my brother's rig and everything that isn't a Q8000 series chip are still quite pricey.
 
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Samsung's faster EcoGreen F4EG hard drive does 2TB for less
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/samsungs-faster-ecogreen-f4eg-hard-drive-does-2tb-for-less/

Samsung latest 3.5-inch EcoGreen desktop hard disk does with three platters what its F3EG did with four: obtain a 2TB capacity. That's 667GB per platter for what Samsung calls the world's highest areal density, environmentally friendly hard disk drive on the market. Specifically, this 3.0Gbps SATA disk with a 32MB buffer brings a 19 percent improved standby performance and requires 23 percent less power in standby mode than its EcoGreen F3EG. Better yet, it does all this for $60 less (just $119.95) when it ships to the US and EU markets in early September.
And I just bought and filled up two 2TB F3 greens...
 
Osaka said:
If I'm not completely wrong, you definitely have the wrong motherboard here as it's a micro ATX mobo (read: smaller), and you seem to be building an ATX machine.

You can generally mount mATX motherboards in ATX cases nowadays.
 
Guys, I just need to upgrade my video card but I don't want to upgrade anything else. Like, I don't want to have to get a new motherboard or power supply along with it.

What's the best card out there that I can replace my 8800GT with? Something that doesn't require any more things than the 8800GT
 
ethic said:
Guys, I just need to upgrade my video card but I don't want to upgrade anything else. Like, I don't want to have to get a new motherboard or power supply along with it.

What's the best card out there that I can replace my 8800GT with? Something that doesn't require any more things than the 8800GT
A 1GB GTX 460.
 
Milabrega said:
Hazaro, an i5-750 + that gigabyte 460 will use 446 watts under full load not counting any other component, so I think a 500w PSU should be the minimum recommended in the build, especially since AMD's X6 line uses more wattage than the i5's currently.
Maybe with both overclocked high? That's a lot of wattage.
The 430w in the build is for the budget parts (quad/4850/5770).
Stormtrooper30 said:
Is 650W the minimum I need for my rig? That DVD drive and 500W power supply come out to only $45 after the discounts and rebate, the HDD and PSU combo would cost more, but its also more power so idk. And I already combo'd the i5 and a mobo together, but I have no idea what discerns a good motherboard from a bad one, so your insight would be great (maybe that's what you meant with the ASUS? I have trouble figuring these things out).

And now that Microcenter is selling the i5 at $160, would it be smarter to buy from there (as well as the HDD and Disc drive)?
How does the i7 930 compare to the i5 750? I looked on the CPU comparison site but they don't have the 930 on there. Would it be smarter to buy the i7 930 from Microcenter instead of the i5?
500W is minimum for what you need.
Mobos are listed on the image, newegg reviews are generally a decent indicator. Asus, MSI, Gigabyte make good boards. http://i.imgur.com/A55hA.jpg
Get the i5 750 at MC if you can, i7 is not worth the cost to a large majority of people.
If you want a decent cpu now you can get a x4 955 or x4 635, then upgrade later.
projekt84 said:
http://imgur.com/9FiqV.png

Is this good for a budget system?

I wanted to go micro atx because I want to put the thing in a suitcase, do you think it'll cause any air flow problems?
I wouldn't really call that a budget system, but it looks fine. Mobo seems to be ok.
Might need to toss in a few fans. You can get some low speed 120mm 4-packs from Amazon (Cooler Master fans) or Yate Loons from Petras tech shop, both $20 for 4.
Stormtrooper30 said:
Alright, got together two different builds with an i5 760 and an AMD Phenom II x4 965. I have no idea which one is better but we'll see. In fact, I have no idea what motherboard to get either, so these may be terrible.

AMD build:
http://i29.tinypic.com/vsj7yw.jpg

i5 build:
http://i27.tinypic.com/4uz5vo.jpg
Want AMD? Want future upgradability? Buy this:
If you want Intel swap in an i5 750 (save money vs 760) and a GA-P55A-UD3 / or similar board.
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I post builds and component lists, then people go and change them, then ask me if they are ok. I am so confused.
 
Is there any way to reformat and reinstall Windows 7 with an OEM disc?

When I boot from this disc it loads and takes me to a home screen without any users on it...
 
Curufinwe said:
For $500 you're not going to get a discrete graphics card and I think you'll struggle to run Diablo 3 without one.

I am also looking to buy a laptop from Best Buy soon for about that price, so hopefully you'll get more (and better) responses than mine.

ah, thanks man. here's some examples of what i had in mind though:

Toshiba dual core (good screen size)

Gateway AMD dual core, better hard drive

etc - here's the page im grabbing them from - like i said, im new at this, so dual core processor, big-ass drive (by my standards), 4 gigs of RAM & a large screen (my vision sucks) sound awesome, but im not sure how shitty these video cards are. is going from $500 to $600 really gonna make a difference here? im mostly reading comics/movies/emulators/browsing etc but it'd be awesome if i could emulate PS2 or GC (kinda doubtful) and i know we're speculating without having the specs, but Diablo 3 is about the only newish PC game i'd aim to run, if i could...most of my Steam purchases have specs well within these parameters, i wanna say.

appreciate any insight i can get here. im also planning on using headphones, but if i wanna show someone a movie, im assuming the sound card/speaker on board are likely shit, and that i might want some speakers at some point.
 
IrishNinja said:
Like i said, im new at this, so dual core processor, big-ass drive (by my standards), 4 gigs of RAM & a large screen (my vision sucks) sound awesome, but im not sure how shitty these video cards are. is going from $500 to $600 really gonna make a difference here? im mostly reading comics/movies/emulators/browsing etc but it'd be awesome if i could emulate PS2 or GC (kinda doubtful) and i know we're speculating without having the specs, but Diablo 3 is about the only newish PC game i'd aim to run, if i could...most of my Steam purchases have specs well within these parameters, i wanna say.

4) Prospective laptop buyers please fill this out and ask their forum as well.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/wha...ould-i-buy-form-must-read-before-posting.html
 
I think I am going to get a new iMac, in (small) part for gaming. I know these are not perfect gaming machines, but I am completely out of the tech loop (last pc was a 2800XP+ and GT7800, I think).

How do these different configurations fare (I understand more $ = better performance, but I am guess I am curious about the value of each increment).

a) 3.60GHz Intel Core i5, $1900, with a HD 5670 512MB
b) $2050 with HD 5750 1GB

c) 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, $2000 with HD 5750 with 1GB
d) 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 , $2,199.00 with the same as above

These are with four gigs of ram. I assume I'll actually put 8. Apple makes you pay 200 bucks for 8 gigs, but I assume it's cheaper to sell the 2x2 gigs and buy the 8 gigs myself?

So in particular, b) and c) have very similar prices, so I am wondering which one has more oomph for games (I am assuming b), I am not sure how well games use multiple cores).

Is d) worth the extra money over b/c?

Help! :)
 
harriet the spy said:
I think I am going to get a new iMac, in (small) part for gaming. I know these are not perfect gaming machines, but I am completely out of the tech loop (last pc was a 2800XP+ and GT7800, I think).

How do these different configurations fare (I understand more $ = better performance, but I am guess I am curious about the value of each increment).

a) 3.60GHz Intel Core i5, $1900, with a HD 5670 512MB
b) $2050 with HD 5750 1GB

c) 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, $2000 with HD 5750 with 1GB
d) 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 , $2,199.00 with the same as above

These are with four gigs of ram. I assume I'll actually put 8. Apple makes you pay 200 bucks for 8 gigs, but I assume it's cheaper to sell the 2x2 gigs and buy the 8 gigs myself?

So in particular, b) and c) have very similar prices, so I am wondering which one has more oomph for games (I am assuming b), I am not sure how well games use multiple cores).

Is d) worth the extra money over b/c?

Help! :)

I'd say d) is not worth the extra money. Is a) and b) a quad core i5? If not, then c) would be the way to go. Though the graphics card options are a little disappointing.
 
Felix Lighter said:
I'd say d) is not worth the extra money. Is a) and b) a quad core i5? If not, then c) would be the way to go. Though the graphics card options are a little disappointing.
Thanks a lot for feedback. Yea, a/b are not quad core, only c and d are. So quad core is worth it, but i7 not so much?
For the graphics card, yea, it's always (one of the) problems with macs. Is that card that bad? Can I be expected to play games (not necessarily the most demanding ones) at medium settings for a couple of years?
I am assuming mac pros will have more options for graphics, but the price is just beyond anything reasonable for me....
It's not even that I don't want a pc with good specs for gaming, along with my mac for work - it would be ideal, but i just don't have the space, and I dislike having to juggle my files between too many different computers..

edit: actually, I am curious. If I wanted a smallish pc (ideally shuttle-sized), say for $1000 (no screen), with a displayport output, dedicated to gaming, would i get much better than c) above?

sorry for being a specs noob.
 
IrishNinja said:
ah, thanks man. here's some examples of what i had in mind though:

Toshiba dual core (good screen size)

Gateway AMD dual core, better hard drive

etc - here's the page im grabbing them from - like i said, im new at this, so dual core processor, big-ass drive (by my standards), 4 gigs of RAM & a large screen (my vision sucks) sound awesome, but im not sure how shitty these video cards are. is going from $500 to $600 really gonna make a difference here? im mostly reading comics/movies/emulators/browsing etc but it'd be awesome if i could emulate PS2 or GC (kinda doubtful) and i know we're speculating without having the specs, but Diablo 3 is about the only newish PC game i'd aim to run, if i could...most of my Steam purchases have specs well within these parameters, i wanna say.

appreciate any insight i can get here. im also planning on using headphones, but if i wanna show someone a movie, im assuming the sound card/speaker on board are likely shit, and that i might want some speakers at some point.

Generally anything with integrated graphics is not going to run the games you want it to. Any amount of discrete graphics memory is better than a crapton of integrated graphics memory.
 
Mr_Brit said:
Get a Phenom II quad core first if you don't want to limit your performance.


It's better for me to buy a new mobo and cpu instead I guess.
But there are so many choices.
I don't need SLI though.
 
harriet the spy said:
Thanks a lot for feedback. Yea, a/b are not quad core, only c and d are. So quad core is worth it, but i7 not so much?
For the graphics card, yea, it's always (one of the) problems with macs. Is that card that bad? Can I be expected to play games (not necessarily the most demanding ones) at medium settings for a couple of years?
I am assuming mac pros will have more options for graphics, but the price is just beyond anything reasonable for me....
It's not even that I don't want a pc with good specs for gaming, along with my mac for work - it would be ideal, but i just don't have the space, and I dislike having to juggle my files between too many different computers..

edit: actually, I am curious. If I wanted a smallish pc (ideally shuttle-sized), say for $1000 (no screen), with a displayport output, dedicated to gaming, would i get much better than c) above?

sorry for being a specs noob.

For $1000 you can definitely do better than c). A shuttle pc would be tricky though. You'd have to be extremely conscience of airflow and temperatures. I know some people here have built smaller PC's though. They could probably give you some good cooling advice.
 
Im looking for a good backup drive...something I can just back up my other drives to and something I can record FRAPs video to. Do I need to go all out on a WD Caviar Black or will Blue suffice? What about Samsung F3?
 
Elfish said:
It's better for me to buy a new mobo and cpu instead I guess.
But there are so many choices.
I don't need SLI though.
Not really. There is no point in getting a new mobo, just check if your mobo can accept AM2+ CPUs. If it does, pick up a Phenom II quad core and a GTX 460.
 
Smokey said:
I just didn't post the rig because I've been lookin at this shit all day. Here are the three options as they are now:

Antec 902 mid tower
AMD 1055T
ASUS Crosshair IV Formula Mobo
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB 1600 RAM
GTX 480
Corsair 650HX PSU
Intel X25 80GB SSD
Samsung F3 1TB HDD
Sony DVD burner
Windows 7 Premium - system pack for builders
Hyper 212 +

Price : $1654

The i5 setup has a different motherboard and case but everything else is the same and it comes out to $1584.

The i7 930 setup has a different mobo, different ram (triple channel) but everything else is the same. I get the processor from Microcenter for $200 and this build comes out to $1740.

So there's the break down.

i5 > amd > i7 in order of expense.

SLI GTX 460's are both significantly faster and cheaper than a single GTX 480.
 
Shambles said:
SLI GTX 460's are both significantly faster and cheaper than a single GTX 480.
Yeah but you've then got all the hassles of having an SLI setup which may not be worth it to many people just for the sake of a few more FPS.
 
Keyboard question; do they make a very basic keyboard will good parts? Sort of like a no frills thing. I currently have a razer keyboard and I'm tired of all the lights and additional buttons I do not use, plus it's a eye sore.
 
Felix Lighter said:
For $1000 you can definitely do better than c). A shuttle pc would be tricky though. You'd have to be extremely conscience of airflow and temperatures. I know some people here have built smaller PC's though. They could probably give you some good cooling advice.
:/
Damn Apple and their lack of options. This is tempting... Last time I built a shuttle pc it died a horrible (and unexpected) thermal death. CPU burnt, took the mobo in its death. It sucked. But I really don't want a big tower.

Thanks for the advice in any case :)
 
Mr_Brit said:
Yeah but you've then got all the hassles of having an SLI setup which may not be worth it to many people just for the sake of a few more FPS.


Have you seen the SLI 460 numbers? Hardly, "a few more FPS". Remember, it's not about having insane max frames, but the minimum being high as well.

As good as the 480 is by itself, you're not going to see 60fps 1080p 8xAA gaming for a every game. Those wanting that framerate consistency at the very best IQ, will see great value in adding a second 460. ~$400 for performance that blows by even the incredibly overpriced 5970? That's a helluva deal.
 
I need to stay away from PC websites. I have so many ideas these past few days.

My mobo (GA-P55-UD4P) only supports 3GB/s. I have an SSD (Crucial C300 64GB) that supports 6GB/s. I recently re-formatted and did a full reinstall of Windows 7 onto the SSD and I love the speed.

If I bought something like this HighPoint Rocket 620 PCI-Express 2.0 x1 Low Profile Ready SATA 6.0Gb/s Controller Card and plugged my SSD to that instead, will I need to freshly install Windows 7 again?

Again, my PC feels so speedy and smooth the way it is that Im not sure how big of a difference something like this will make. Its just an idea though. Im becoming a speed nut and Im not so sure thats a good thing.
 
Hazaro said:
Want AMD? Want future upgradability? Buy this:
If you want Intel swap in an i5 750 (save money vs 760) and a GA-P55A-UD3 / or similar board.
Ok, this is what confuses me. Are you saying AMD is the better route instead of the i5 750? I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not with the AMD CPUs. Is there a specific plus for one over the other? I see a lot of people like the i5 here over the AMD but don't know why.
 
Stormtrooper30 said:
Ok, this is what confuses me. Are you saying AMD is the better route instead of the i5 750? I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not with the AMD CPUs. Is there a specific plus for one over the other? I see a lot of people like the i5 here over the AMD but don't know why.

The i5 750 outperforms the AMD processors in most cases when it comes to gaming right now. At some point the 6 core AMD processors may begin outperforming the i5 because developers begin taking advantage of the additional 2 cores. Also, if you go with AMD you will have upgrade options in the future, with the i5, you probably will not.

The question is what's important to you, current performance, potential performance or upgrade paths.
 
Okay, almost everything's here. Just two more packages to arrive later today from UPS and it's time to build.

Where exactly should I start if I want to do some overclocking? I've built a couple systems before but I've never OC'd anything. I figure since I've got decent cooling I might as well give it a shot.

ALSO, anyone know any good/cheap small speakers? Just looking for a simple 2-channel set as I'm pretty sure for now I'm putting this PC in the living room.
 
Felix Lighter said:
The i5 750 outperforms the AMD processors in most cases when it comes to gaming right now. At some point the 6 core AMD processors may begin outperforming the i5 because developers begin taking advantage of the additional 2 cores. Also, if you go with AMD you will have upgrade options in the future, with the i5, you probably will not.

The question is what's important to you, current performance, potential performance or upgrade paths.
Ahh, thanks for that.

So I just put in my zip code and apparently Newegg has a station in Memphis, TN... where I live. So there's a 77 dollar sales tax added on. Looks like I may be buying from Amazon with this one. Unless there's a cheaper route for me.

Also, here's my current build. Basically Hazaro's build but with a bigger HDD and different case. One question though: Why go with the Phenom II x4 955 instead of the 965? Is there a noticable performance difference between the two? Also, my products seem to be missing your awesome rebates and savings.
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Stormtrooper30 said:
Ahh, thanks for that.

So I just put in my zip code and apparently Newegg has a station in Memphis, TN... where I live. So there's a 77 dollar sales tax added on. Looks like I may be buying from Amazon with this one. Unless there's a cheaper route for me.

Also, here's my current build. Basically Hazaro's build but with a bigger HDD and different case. One question though: Why go with the Phenom II x4 955 instead of the 965? Is there a noticable performance difference between the two? Also, my products seem to be missing your awesome rebates and savings.

http://promotions.newegg.com/TNfree/080610/index.html

Amazon if you can. But for parts that are cheaper, you can maybe hold off till Friday.

Edit: whoops looks like the tax-exempt weekend is a type of rebate. :( Maybe try tigerdirect or ewiz for your parts. Tigerdirect usually has good prices and hardocp.com usually has discount codes for products there.
 
after 4 hrs, finally finished my build, so far no technical issues, going to get some sleep and start on kotor tomorrow... later today
 
Alright, so now that I figured Newegg charges tax, I have put together a list at tigerdirect and the prices are rediculous. Here is what I have now:

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ANd add ontop of that a $60 Antec 300 case and it comes out to about $1000 on a build that was $800 before tax on Newegg. FML.
 
You can always check Amazon. Free 2-day shipping with the student prime. I ended up getting most of my stuff from amazon, with anything that I couldn't get prime shipping for I got on newegg.
 
Really should have checked this before I bought it...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131621

That's the motherboard I have on the way to me right now. Last PC was my first build and I forgot to look it up, and in my haste I forgot to check on this. When I built my last PC I was unable to add a media card/more front USB ports. It only had one connection on the motherboard and I used that for the USB built into the case.

Will that motherboard let me add a media reader without having to install a pci card with an onboard USB? The specs on newegg say "Oboard USB: 3 x USB connectors support additional 6 USB ports" That means I'm good, right?
 
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