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[ChoklitReign]

You think that's funny but that's just what I did. If you can't read it, here's the cliffnotes version:

1. Why are GTA IV, Bad Company 2, and Metro 2033 the best benchmarks for PC performance?
2. I'm poor. Can you show me an affordable gaming PC?
3. Why are PC gamers so elitist?
4. I'm sorry for arguing, here are some questions I want answered.

 

[SamuraiX-]

I've heard their tech support is horrible.

I've heard about this too. I'm more worried about how many potential problems with the PC could arise and how long it will last.

 

[ChoklitReign]

Since you would advise people to get the 768mb 460 and stick to a dual core processor, are we to assume that the crystal ball you're employing to see that the higher end part brain stew advocates are needlessly expensive is of a higher make?

All he's doing is reading patterns, and when people contradict him he usually explains in great detail why he's saying what he's saying, it's pretty obvious to anyone with a hint of reading comprehension that he's not just telling people to get more expensive parts just for the heck of it.

You remind me of the people who "boycotted" the tournament Kadey put together in the Street Fighter thread. I guess some people will always try to shit it up when someone is doing something cool for a community.

Anyway, the reason I started posting was just to say that I can see how someone could get frustrated at the attention that brain stew gets in this thread if they think they know more about PCs, but instead of asinine contradictory claims and name calling, how's about you actually back up what you're saying like stew does?

I'm not recommending video cards with less ram or dual-core CPUs. I want to know if those parts would be acceptable for a budget PC. I'm not claiming to know more than brain_stew, but it's strange how he is seen as the smartest person ITT. In my opinion he hasn't presented enough evidence (I'm a man of science) to convince me I should build a PC with the parts he recommends.

 

[kagete]

We make recommendations based on current tech. Prices go up and down and brain_stew and Hazaro try to stay on top of it and suggest cost savings and combo deals where possible. A person's budget will greatly influence what recommendations the people in the thread make, for those with $500-ish budgets they get parts spec'd from last gen value parts.

PC's are expensive items, so no one here will recommend specific items without backing them up with reviews, personal experience, and conviction. We're all strangers here but seeing someone spend $1,000 on poorly reviewed or mismatched parts makes me feel terrible. I think setups that are generally future-proof and will cause the minimal amount of buyer's remorse and tail costs are the norm here. You can always certainly choose to buy the current best value within your budget but as general retail availability, possibility of returns, buying used/new, local taxes, and a dozen other factors would steer us towards current gen items that people can actually buy and expect to have parts available for in case of problems.

GAFfers are pretty diverse. We have people trying to stretch the lifespans of their core2duo builds while a select few can easily afford spending thousands on pre-built boutique setups. Chill out dude, I don't think the people in this thread have any agendas

 

[Hazaro]

I'm also pissed off at the elitism of some PC gamers, especially the head honchos brain_stew and hazaro ITT. Their definition of an entry-level gaming PC is $700 with 4GB of RAM, an Athlon II quad-core CPU, and a GTX 460. Holy fuck, don't you realize that kind of computer is plenty for gaming? Surely you can cut back $50-$100 without critically reducing performance. But that's exactly what you believe.

I'm a college kid who's never had a job before and I just joined a program that strictly manages your money. I'll be lucky to save up to $600 by the end of the year.

I don't want to insult your intelligence or anything that would get me banned. I can concede that you know more than me (it's not easy admitting that; I guess I sort of have a superiority complex) after I've read what you think about my thoughts. I really want to know what this thread is all about: 1) how much money does an entry-level gaming PC cost, and 2) how popular is PC gaming?

Sounds like you are in a somewhat similar situation to my roommate. He's saving and will probably have around $600 to spend on a rig in 1 or 2 months.

When most people want a new PC they are used to paying $700-800. You see people with 1k budgets or higher all the time posting here. My first rig ended up costing me around $950.

The problem is when you go below a current point (say $600 right now) you start to lose important things that help for the future. A pure economical gaming focused rig on current games will cost you perhaps $150 less, but it will not last as long as one that you spend that extra amount on.

I have to take into account long term upgradabilty, importance of stuff like USB 3 / SATA 6, and what good products are available to most people. Most of that stuff does come at a premium. The $630 build I linked a little bit up is a fantastic example of value AND long term upgradabilty.

In terms of value / $ or FPS a GTX 260 or 4870 will win. Those are great cards. So is a 4850 at $85 AR.

*Also I really would put 4GB as the norm, 2GB is simply not enough imo (I suppose you could close all programs before gaming, but still...)

 

[Blackface]

I'm getting as pissed off as you guys. My God, what is it going to take for you to realize using GTA 4, BC2, and Metro 2033 as benchmarks is misleading? These ludicrously unoptimized games are the exceptions, not the rule. It's going to be years before most PC games utilize video memory and CPU cores as well as Photoshop. They are meant to be future proof games. Three years ago, were you telling potential builders they had to run Crysis on Very High settings or else it wasn't a gaming PC? I don't give a fuck about having as many cores or virtual ram as possible. I and most PC gamers care about what components offer the best bang for the buck.

Why do I continue to argue about this shit? I don't know when the hell I'll be able to afford a gaming PC (hopefully Christmas), but it's been on my mind for over a year. I've done shitloads of research and I know as much information as you do (except for the actual building process). I'm pissed off that the price for an entry-level gaming PC is getting higher every month. At first my budget was $500-$600. You said game performance would be too bad. So now it's somewhere between $600 and $700. You're just going to complain in a few months that that's not enough either. I know that the PC hardware market is vicious, but can't you hypothesize a budget gaming PC that will be up to date for 6 months?

I'm also pissed off at the elitism of some PC gamers, especially the head honchos brain_stew and hazaro ITT. Their definition of an entry-level gaming PC is $700 with 4GB of RAM, an Athlon II quad-core CPU, and a GTX 460. Holy fuck, don't you realize that kind of computer is plenty for gaming? Surely you can cut back $50-$100 without critically reducing performance. But that's exactly what you believe. You also believe that PC gaming is only for mature adults who have jobs. I'm a college kid who's never had a job before and I just joined a program that strictly manages your money. I'll be lucky to save up to $600 by the end of the year. You don't give a fuck about hardware or sofware sales. The more restrictive your definition of a gaming PC is, the lower the sales. I want PC gaming to survive and it needs to access a larger audience to. You just want the best parts money can buy and have no interest in software sales. You know that PC games generally sell the least out of all the platforms and you don't care. I hate that.

I don't want to insult your intelligence or anything that would get me banned. I can concede that you know more than me (it's not easy admitting that; I guess I sort of have a superiority complex) after I've read what you think about my thoughts. I really want to know what this thread is all about: 1) how much money does an entry-level gaming PC cost, and 2) how popular is PC gaming?

You make some good points but you need to just fucking relax when doing so :lol

 

[brain_stew]

So you suggest I recommend people buy shitty components that are outdated and will give them a poor experience and make them end up spending more in the long term? Sounds like some smart advice you got there. Going cheap for cheap's sake doesn't make any real sense, its all about hitting that priceerformance sweet spot so that you'll get the most value out of your machine.

That's why people value my and Hazaro's (and others) advice, its got fuck all to do with being "elitist" its about monitoring the market and both current and future trends. Its not easy, my advice isn't perfect, but I'll be damned if you'll find a better source of free information than this thread.

Also, if you quit acting like a complete jerk for just one second maybe people would be willing to listen to what you have to say? I do this in my free time, I don't expect to be called a smug fuck, an arrogant prick or an elitist asshole because if that continues to happen I'll fuck off as its just not worth the hassle. You're literally the only person I can remember that has acted like a tosser in this thread, thanks for shitting it up, to be the first poster in over 2 years to achieve that is quite impressive.

 

[ChoklitReign]

Sounds like you are in a somewhat similar situation to my roommate. He's saving and will probably have around $600 to spend on a rig in 1 or 2 months.

When most people want a new PC they are used to paying $700-800. You see people with 1k budgets or higher all the time posting here. My first rig ended up costing me around $950.

The problem is when you go below a current point (say $600 right now) you start to lose important things that help for the future. A pure economical gaming focused rig on current games will cost you perhaps $150 less, but it will not last as long as one that you spend that extra amount on.

I have to take into account long term upgradabilty, importance of stuff like USB 3 / SATA 6, and what good products are available to most people. Most of that stuff does come at a premium. The $630 build I linked a little bit up is a fantastic example of value AND long term upgradabilty.

In terms of value / $ or FPS a GTX 260 or 4870 will win. Those are great cards. So is a 4850 at $85 AR.

*Also I really would put 4GB as the norm, 2GB is simply not enough imo (I suppose you could close all programs before gaming, but still...)

Thank you for such a polite reply. Can you PM me that $630 build?

We're still enemies, brain_stew. I'm not recommending shitty parts at all. Did you read my cliffnotes post?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

So you suggest I recommend people buy shitty components that are outdated and will give them a poor experience and make them end up spending more in the long term? Sounds like some smart advice you go there.

Pretty much what people fail to understand. By bumping up your budget by $100-$200 it lasts considerably longer than the older build and when that older build becomes too slow you can't spend $100-$200 to fix it.

Dude take it to pms then. Don't shit up the thread by calling people your enemies and starting vendettas.

 

[ChoklitReign]

Pretty much what people fail to understand. By bumping up your budget by $100-$200 it lasts considerably longer than the older build and when that older build becomes too slow you can't spend $100-$200 to fix it.

OF COURSE, Captain Obvious. But that doesn't apply to people who can't afford an extra $100. I'll stop ruining this thread for you guys. Sorry.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

OF COURSE, Captain Obvious. But that doesn't apply to people who can't afford an extra $100.

It's $100 dude, this isn't like an extra grand. And if you don't want to THEN DON'T. No one has a gun to your head, you're asking for best bang for the buck and asking for advice and they are giving it. Choose to follow it at your own discretion. Enough already.

 

[brain_stew]

OF COURSE, Captain Obvious. But that doesn't apply to people who can't afford an extra $100. I'll stop ruining this thread for you guys. Sorry.

I'm not going to consciously give bad advice and that's exactly what you're suggesting I do. There's a point where skimping and scraping too much can negatively backfire by an increasingly large amount so why the hell would I advise them to do that. If they haven't got the money to buy what they actually want then my advice would be to save up until you do, you'll only be fucking yourself over in the long run. People are free to take my advice or leave it, its their choice.

As for the GTX 460 example, I'd recommend stepping down to a ~$130/$140 5770 if you can't afford, the 768MB model just isn't a good buy in my book, for the sake of $30 you're seriously gimping a very decent card. It just makes no sense at all.

 

[Felix Lighter]

I've seen quite a few people come in here with $500-$600 budgets and I've seen some decent builds suggested. From time to time I've seen suggestions to stretch a budget a bit if it's possible but I don't think I've seen anyone turned away.

 

[Weenerz]

ChoklitReign, you're coming off like a complete dickbag, attacking the biggest helper in the thread. Go ruin other topics, or take a break from NeoGAF browsing to calm yourself.

 

[RadicalRad]

OF COURSE, Captain Obvious. But that doesn't apply to people who can't afford an extra $100. I'll stop ruining this thread for you guys. Sorry.

You know if you would have just cut off the first 4 words that reply would have actually been civil.

 

[brain_stew]

I'm not recommending video cards with less ram or dual-core CPUs. I want to know if those parts would be acceptable for a budget PC. I'm not claiming to know more than brain_stew, but it's strange how he is seen as the smartest person ITT. In my opinion he hasn't presented enough evidence (I'm a man of science) to convince me I should build a PC with the parts he recommends.

And I don't have to. I simply don't have the time to, you're free to make your own interpretation, you have all the same resources available to you so go ahead and read it. If you go to a computer shop and pay them $100 they won't do this for you so why the hell should I, you're not paying me, and fuck you're also insulting me and acting like a royal cunt so why in the fuck should I go out of my way to appease you and help you save money? Again, who the hell do you think you are?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

I'm not recommending video cards with less ram or dual-core CPUs. I want to know if those parts would be acceptable for a budget PC. I'm not claiming to know more than brain_stew, but it's strange how he is seen as the smartest person ITT. In my opinion he hasn't presented enough evidence (I'm a man of science) to convince me I should build a PC with the parts he recommends.

You should have just explained all this from the beginning, you made yourself out to be a total bitch.

It's kind of hard to provide evidence for his claims since, as he's explained, he's making recommendations that will provide the biggest bang for the buck now and for a couple years. He's noting that more and more AAA games like more RAM, it's pretty simple. I'm guessing the majority of people in this thread aren't college students struggling over months to save up for a computer, but you should still be able to use the information in the thread and your own research to find a build that fits your price level, there's no need to call people pricks and demand they explain themselves to you.

Also, don't try to backpedal and say you "just want to know if those parts would be acceptable." You called brain stew a "smug prick" for recommending people get a $100 quad core processor, that's not exactly asking whether if would work for you or not.

 

[brain_stew]

We're still enemies, brain_stew.

The fuck is this shit?

How old are you? 10?

 

[Hazaro]

OF COURSE, Captain Obvious. But that doesn't apply to people who can't afford an extra $100. I'll stop ruining this thread for you guys. Sorry.

It's just the strong way you came across, that's all. Calling out people was not smart though, and very discourteous.

Many people who come in saying they can only afford $400-500 get told that it's not the best idea and usually they can come up with it.

Here's what I whipped up at $500. Has SATA 6 and USB 3 as well.
You can actually buy the 1TB F3 at ewiz for $65 so that is only $10 more.
Shipping is $20

 

[K.Jack]

This has gotten a bit uncomfortable.

Okay, more laptop questions. I've narrowed it down to the:

$1100 MSI GX640 - Core i5-450M 2.4 GHz 1066 MHz 3MB L2 Cache Processor, ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 VRAM, 4GB DDR3 RAM, 500GB 7200rpm Hard Drive, 1680x1050

and
$1000 (on sale I guess...) Asus G51jx-X3 - Intel Core i5-430M Processor 2.26 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 2.53 GHz, 4GB DDR3 1066MHz RAM, 500GB Hard Drive (7200 RPM), NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M 1GB GDDR5 VRAM, 1920x1080

Which do I go for? My gut tells me I should just shell out the extra 100 for the MSI, but I do like the Asus' higher resolution and 1 year accident warranty... What does GAF recommend?

(also, budget is around $1000 - will not pay more than $1100)

The MSI's GPU should, on average, give you a 25% framerate advantage. It will handle 1680x gaming comfortably for two to three years.

The GTS 360M is completely unsuited for 1080p gaming, and notebook LCDs look horrid below native res.

 

[·feist·]

Yes as in both things are fine or the DDR question?

I meant to edit that. The yes was to the ram being supported, as well as the PSU being compatible. While Dell tends to use proprietary connectors in their systems, your PSU has the necessary connections (though limited) to transition into a another ATX build.

Edit: What does your CPU power connector look like? Can you take a pic?

 

[jtb]

This has gotten a bit uncomfortable.



The MSI's GPU should, on average, give you a 25% framerate advantage. It will handle 1680x gaming comfortably for two to three years.

The GTS 360M is completely unsuited for 1080p gaming, and notebook LCDs look horrid below native res.

Thanks, that's kind of what I was thinking. Sounds like the MSI is the right one for me

 

[Smo21]

So my PC finally died(Motherboard) and I'm looking for a new pc. Considering that ive had it since 2004, nothing on it is really salvageable aside from maybe the optical drive. I dont kno to much about PC's and am a bit overwhelmed by all this so any help with this would be great. I've been lurking this thread for the last couple days trying to figure you what I should consider.

Im looking for something that will be able to handle most games on high. I know the nature of PC gaming is steady upgrading but im hoping for something i wont need to break the bank to upgrade 2 years down the line. My price range is about 1400-1600 Canadian before taxes.

I'm not sure wtf im doing but this is what i was thinking of going with:

Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SATA2 7200RPM 32MB Cache 3.5IN

ASUS P6T X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 3PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI CrossFire SLI SATA2 GBLAN Motherboard

Intel Core i7 930 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.8GHZ 8MB L3 Cache 130W 45NM Retail Box

Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan

GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Cyclone OC 725MHZ 1024MB GDDR5 (Im thinking if i need to upgrade Ill just buy a second one and SLI them up)

Dont really know about RAM, SSD's or what kind of case is best for cooling and all that jazz. Same with cpu cooling. If im missing anything please let me know


I hope that wasn't to long. Let me know what yall think and anythings i should change. Hell if you want just recommend something else altogether since anyone willing to help prolly knows way more than I do.

Thanks in advance PC-Gaf.

 

[MikeE21286]

Just got my GTX460....I'm looking at possibly a new monitor and I'm wondering....


Is it recommendable to go 1920x1080 with this GPU and if so, what monitors would you suggest. I have a 24" right now (1680x1050) and would like to stay at this size, if not go to a 27".

I hear the new hotness are IPS monitors, but I really don't know anything about those. Any suggestions?

 

[Aurarian]

I meant to edit that. The yes was to the ram being supported, as well as the PSU being compatible. While Dell tends to use proprietary connectors in their systems, your PSU has the necessary connections (though limited) to transition into a another ATX build.

Edit: What does your CPU power connector look like? Can you take a pic?

LOL! Nevermind, he just told me to get a new one and stop bothering him. Thanks for all your help PC GAF.

 

[Hazaro]

So my PC finally died(Motherboard) and I'm looking for a new pc. Considering that ive had it since 2004, nothing on it is really salvageable aside from maybe the optical drive. I dont kno to much about PC's and am a bit overwhelmed by all this so any help with this would be great. I've been lurking this thread for the last couple days trying to figure you what I should consider.

Im looking for something that will be able to handle most games on high. I know the nature of PC gaming is steady upgrading but im hoping for something i wont need to break the bank to upgrade 2 years down the line. My price range is about 1400-1600 Canadian before taxes.

Thanks in advance PC-Gaf.

Keep the 750W if you might SLi later.
Another SSD to add is the Western Digital Blue 128GB

i5/i7 is faster now, but a solid x4 or x6 AM3 will give you upgrade possibilities in 2 years without the need for a new mobo (and new OS install).

http://i.imgur.com/A55hA.jpg

 

[Curufinwe]

This page has been like arriving at work to find a new hire drunk, with his pants round his ankles, screaming obscenities and challenging people to fights. Embarrassing, uncomfortable, and hopefully quickly and permanently remedied so we can all have a laugh about it.

 

[Branson]

Ok, so why am I getting worse framerates and performance out of my 460 than my 8800? Used driver sweeper, installed the new drivers, and I'm down to like 30fps on my games. Sometimes even 20fps.

 

[SuperAwesome]

Just got my GTX460....I'm looking at possibly a new monitor and I'm wondering....


Is it recommendable to go 1920x1080 with this GPU and if so, what monitors would you suggest. I have a 24" right now (1680x1050) and would like to stay at this size, if not go to a 27".

I hear the new hotness are IPS monitors, but I really don't know anything about those. Any suggestions?

1920x1080 will be fine assuming it's the 1gb version.

 

[Coldsnap]

What companies make the best pre builds? I need to upgrade in about a year and I really would like not having to build a PC again... something with good tech support would be nice.

 

[DrForester]

So if I were to get a 5850 or even a 5870 (I know they are much more) any recommendations on brand? the GTX 460 issue with FFXI is just getting annoying and Nvidia has known of the problem for months and just said "we're working on it"

 

[vilmer_]

1920x1080 will be fine assuming it's the 1gb version.

Even if it was the 768gb version, it's more more than enough.

 

[BigBlackGamer]

So if I were to get a 5850 or even a 5870 (I know they are much more) any recommendations on brand? the GTX 460 issue with FFXI is just getting annoying and Nvidia has known of the problem for months and just said "we're working on it"

I usually go XFX because of there double lifetime warranty. any brand is fine IMO as long as the warranty and support is decent.

 

[Branson]

Any help guys?

 

[MikeE21286]

Awesome...yeah, it's the 1gb.

Anyone recently buy a large widescreen monitor, what'd you get? how you like it?

 

[kagete]

Any help guys?

Did you OC your 460? If so, try dialing back to stock settings and making sure you don't overheat. It might be your GPU dialing back due to heat. Also, do you have your two 6pin connectors on snugly on your card?

If you used to OC your old card, make sure you uninstall the previous program you used to OC the old card.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Any help guys?

Have you tried a different revision of video drivers? They can sometimes kill performance.

 

[Branson]

Did you OC your 460? If so, try dialing back to stock settings and making sure you don't overheat. It might be your GPU dialing back due to heat. Also, do you have your two 6pin connectors on snugly on your card?

If you used to OC your old card, make sure you uninstall the previous program you used to OC the old card.

I just installed the card. It's factory overclocked. Tried going to older drivers but it didn't help. I'll check the cables.

 

[SuperAwesome]

I just installed the card. It's factory overclocked. Tried going to older drivers but it didn't help. I'll check the cables.

A couple things I recommend:

- Try installing MSI afterburner to monitor your clocks while playing a game.

- Uninstall your Nvidia drivers via control panel, restart, run driver sweeper, and THEN reinstall your drivers.

 

[Blackface]

It's just the strong way you came across, that's all. Calling out people was not smart though, and very discourteous.

Many people who come in saying they can only afford $400-500 get told that it's not the best idea and usually they can come up with it.

Here's what I whipped up at $500. Has SATA 6 and USB 3 as well.
You can actually buy the 1TB F3 at ewiz for $65 so that is only $10 more.
Shipping is $20

Good build for $500, but I would take the 5770 and I would also get a AMD Phenom II X2 555 if it's a gaming PC hands down.

A dual core like the one above outperforms the Athlon X4's in just about every game on the market. I don't know why dual core CPU's are not recommended in this thread for budget gaming PC builds.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Good build for $500, but I would take the 5770 and I would also get a AMD Phenom II X2 555 if it's a gaming PC hands down.

No... It should definitely be an X4.

 

[Blackface]

No... It should definitely be an X4.

The CPU I posted above beats the X4 in 90 percent of gaming bench marks and is an overall superior CPU. For a budget gaming PC, you would get superior performance in a vast majority of titles.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

The CPU I posted above beats the X4 in 90 percent of gaming bench marks and is an overall superior CPU. For a budget gaming PC, you would get superior performance in a vast majority of titles.

No... Just no. Quad core is going to come in handy a lot more.

 

[Blackface]

No... Just no.

I am pretty sure this is the dumb shit the guy above was talking about.

 

[Owzers]

potential game plan:

Wait for the holidays and see if i can get a decent laptop for around $450-500.

Think a i5 processor and some type of graphics card ( ati 4800s or something comparative) will be able to play civ 5, diablo 3, and kotor mmo at mild settings the laptops resolution ( probably x768 or 900 tops) ?????????

 

[Sanjay]

Thank you for such a polite reply. Can you PM me that $630 build?

Made this quickly, good enough system to play games but highly dependent on what resolution you play at.

 

[zlatko]

I have a question for you guys again.

So I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm just not going to find a better deal than that Dell 7100. I have my sights settled on it. I was going to bundle in and add a monitor and speakers, but I figured I have friends with extras or I could always find them for way cheaper on even Amazon or newegg.

My question is monitor related. What size monitor will I want for the two games I care about the most for this PC to be doing on max which is Star Craft 2 and FFXIV. I'm guessing it has to be at least 23 inches?

 

[Branson]

So the 460 keeps on defaulting to a resolution that's like 1024x768 in 75hz in the game. In the desktop I ran it at 720p because I use it on my HDTV. It looks fuzzier around the edges of stuff now at 720. This is so strange.

Ok so I have msi afterburner now. What settings do i need to look for to see if its performing like its suppose to?

 

[kagete]

I have a question for you guys again.

So I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm just not going to find a better deal than that Dell 7100. I have my sights settled on it. I was going to bundle in and add a monitor and speakers, but I figured I have friends with extras or I could always find them for way cheaper on even Amazon or newegg.

My question is monitor related. What size monitor will I want for the two games I care about the most for this PC to be doing on max which is Star Craft 2 and FFXIV. I'm guessing it has to be at least 23 inches?

If you're looking for an affordable 1080p monitor just take your pick. for the same amount of pixels a smaller 21-22" will look sharper because of the higher pixel density as compared to a 23 or 24". Personally I think the 23.6 Asus ones are pretty good. Like most of GAF i bought one of the 2ms ones they have that supposedly has real good response times.

Newegg is your friend! Read some reviews but generally you can't miss with the top brands:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ption=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=

 

[NinjaFromTheFuture]

What do people here think of the CyberpowerPC brand?

Brain_stew recommend me this build and it looks perfect for me, but I've never had any experience with the brand before. I've heard a lot of bad things about them, but then I've heard they've cleaned up their act in the past 6 months?

Help please.

Short story time: Bought a PC from them in late March. I got it working about a week and a half ago. Avoid.

EDIT: By the way, when I read "I've heard their tech support is horrible." quoted at the top of the page, I knew it was about them. Funny how that works.