Gary Whitta
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Memtest just threw a ton of errors in my face, maybe it's bad RAM after all!
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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition
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THE:MILKMAN
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brain_stew said:
Hope you don't mind me pointing out that the asus motherboard linked above seems to take so-dimm memory?
So would require this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231214
Can anbody help me with this
what should i get
460 in SLI with i5 760
or 5870 crossfire with i5 760
which is faster and can i get some benchmarks..?
its either this setup
http://tweakers.net/gallery/367893?wish_id=85877#tab:wenslijst
or this one
http://tweakers.net/gallery/367893?wish_id=85873#tab:wenslijst
what should i get
460 in SLI with i5 760
or 5870 crossfire with i5 760
which is faster and can i get some benchmarks..?
its either this setup
http://tweakers.net/gallery/367893?wish_id=85877#tab:wenslijst
or this one
http://tweakers.net/gallery/367893?wish_id=85873#tab:wenslijst
Ogs said:Its also 1 of many reasons im going back to Nvidia, last bunch of ATI drivers have done more harm than good in many of my gamesGreat hardware, but there drivers just aint upto par with Nvidia in quick enough time (from my experience, of course).
I want to switch too. This was my first ATI experience and itll likely be my last. I wouldve changed already except that my current 5850 isnt even a year old and Id be throwing money away if I changed now.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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DennisK4 said:
Yes and no. They've improved a lot from where they used to be put they're drivers as a whole usually aren't as good as nvidia. Even newer ATI cards at work have problems reading the EDIDs correctly in the monitors we build where as Nvidia cards we have don't have that problem.
brain_stew
Member
DennisK4 said:Yup, thats an nVIDIA fanboy
Nvidia just have the best cards at the moment, no point in fighting it.
brain_stew
Member
Omiee said:
I'd go for a single GTX 480 personally, don't deal with potential multi GPU hassles (dodgy performance scaling at times, especially on the ATI side, increased input lag, micro stuttering, unreasonable power draws etc.) and a small framebuffer when you don't have to.
Standard GTX 480s are available for $450 these days or you can get the Zotac AMP edition for $510 and that gets rid of the noise and heat "issues" that come with buying a standard GTX 480 and it also has a big factory overclock making it the best card on the market atm, assuming you have the cash and PSU for it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500166&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-500-166-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130552&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-130-552-_-Product
DennisK4 said:Yup, thats an nVIDIA fanboy
Nvidia just have the best cards at the moment, no point in fighting it.
I've recommended 100s of ATI cards on here (more than Nvidia cards actually) but atm, Nvidia just have the best offerings at most of the major pricepoints. The better drivers/featureset are just an extra (very tasty) bonus.
Gary Whitta said:
Knew it.
brain_stew
Member
THE:MILKMAN said:
Good spot.
Of course I don't mind, one of the major reasons I only respond in this thread rather than PMs is because with the speed I have to answer posts, I'm bound to make mistakes from time to time, which is another reason people should always check over my recommendations themselves before buying.
DennisK4 said:
They're not "bad" or anything anymore but they are objectively worse. They're slower to update, rarely support extra features like forcing AA, only enable very mediocre crossfire scaling compared to SLI even while taking longer to provide profiles for new releases, and they have thrown up bugs in recent releases much more than Nvidia's drivers have recently.
For those reasons (and others, like more consistent performance and PhysX) I'd always take the Nvidia card if it offered similar price/performance.
Atm, the GTX 470 is having little trouble outperforming the 5850 (if you check benchmarks with recent drivers used that is) and is pretty much a match for the 5870. Considering its not uncommon to find the 470 for less than a 5850, well I know which one I'm going to recommend from now on. The 470 wasn't a great card at launch, but after huge price cuts and major performance boosts through driver upgrades, it is now.
Gary Whitta said:
Being an ATI owner can be quite taxing, I know.
Try the following and report back:
Download the 10.5a hotfix drivers (10.7s are still a buggy mess):
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/203..._10.5/ati_catalyst_10.5_hotfix_win7_vista.exe
Uninstall all drivers using ATI uninstall manager. Choose express uninstall.
When that's done, use Driver Sweeper (from Phyxion.net) and remove all traces of ATI software/dlls.
REBOOT
When in windows, start the 10.5a installation. You may get an error about AVIVO, ignore it.
REBOOT and go into your Bios:
Make ABSOLUTELY SURE, you have the correct CPU and Memory *voltage set manually (do NOT leave it at auto) in the motherboard bios.
Goodluck!
*important since many motherboards default to 1.5v for many types of RAM, when in fact, more voltage is actually needed. In my case, my MSI had it at 1.55v when I should have been at 2.1v Like you, I was getting grey screens and reboots randomly.
edit: Also, do the memtest multiple times after checking voltage. If you get the same error in exactly the same spot everytime, it's 99% going to be a hardware failure. If the error locations are random, very well could be a voltage issue.
undu
Member
ATI cards don't support hardware accelerated h264 playback when it doesn't follow blu-ray standard (anime, series or movies enconded with x264 if you're not careful with the encoding etc) thanks to its drivers.DennisK4 said:
here are some tests about hardware accelerated h264 playback:
http://imouto.my/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/
I don't really understand why arent they implementing it if it has been requested for a long time. :/
This is quite an issue for me and aside from the price between the 5850 and the 460 is what is leaning me to buy the 460.
brain_stew said:I'd go for a single GTX 480 personally, don't deal with potential multi GPU hassles (dodgy performance scaling at times, especially on the ATI side, increased input lag, micro stuttering, unreasonable power draws etc.) and a small framebuffer when you don't have to.
Standard GTX 480s are available for $450 these days or you can get the Zotac AMP edition for $510 and that gets rid of the noise and heat "issues" that come with buying a standard GTX 480 and it also has a big factory overclock making it the best card on the market atm, assuming you have the cash and PSU for it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500166&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-500-166-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130552&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-130-552-_-Product
Nvidia just have the best cards at the moment, no point in fighting it.
I've recommended 100s of ATI cards on here (more than Nvidia cards actually) but atm, Nvidia just have the best offerings at most of the major pricepoints. The better drivers/featureset are just an extra (very tasty) bonus.
Knew it.
I dont wanna 480 first of all to much power consuming and noise and i heard its less porwerfull than the 5870
Any benchmarks to see which is faster a 5870 crossfire and the 460 SLI
brain_stew
Member
Mr_Brit said:
Well ATI are still selling their cards above RRP despite them being nearly a year old, while Nvidia's card have seen some huge price slashes after just a few short months in the marketplace. Its hardly surprising, especially considering introducing a brand new architecture meant that Nvidia's early drivers were far from optimal in terms of performance.
Big performance increase from driver updates + huge price cut = Much more appealing cards.
ATI were ruling the roost for a long ass time but the pendulum finally seems to be swinging the other way atm. ATI's cards need a price cut and badly.
Both wrong. A 480 is a lot faster and runs at a similar noise level, it's even quieter if you go for a custom cooler.Omiee said:
Yeah, pretty much. ATI prices in the UK are a joke, cheapest 5850s are around £40 more than a 1GB Gigabyte GTX 460. Even the 470 has come down to around the 5850s price whilst offering much better performance and features.brain_stew said:
brain_stew
Member
Omiee said:
It'll consume less power than a 460 SLI or 5870 crossfire setup so I don't see why that's an issue and the AMP edition is quieter than any GTX 460 or 5870 you can buy especially if you want to run two of the things!! If noise is a serious issue than that's a major reason to go with the 480 AMP.
See:
SLI GTX 460s a whole 12Db louder than the GTX 480 AMP, point proven, I think.
I don't know whoever told you a 5870 was faster than a GTX 480 but they're smoking some crazy shit. They're not even in the same performance category. The GTX 480 completely blows it away these days (especially that AMP edition card).
If you insist on going with a dual GPU setup (though I strongly recommend against it) then get the GTX 460s. Performance is pretty similar but pricing isn't and ATI's crossfire drivers just aren't upto snuff to SLI.
brain_stew said:
These are the options that i got, ( and i looked up some benchmarks the 460SLI almost everytime beats the 480 )
i can get a 5870 for 300 euro.
or i can get a 460 SLI for 400 euro.
the 480 is almost 420 euro.
the power supply i got is this one, can i have a second 480 in it after a year or 2..?
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/238476/antec-truepower-tp-750.html
also if everybody tells me the 480 is a better choise can u than choose a 480 from this list and not be over 420 or 430 euro
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/...40L9CgXvDPoz-L5jUKu1jqhQ1O6w9cp3TMbua5x1Ta-0H
and going by your chart the 5870 crossfire makes less noise than the 480SLI
also can u post a chart of performance between these 3 so i can know what i think is better for me
480 alone
5870 crossfire
and 460SLI
thanks in advance
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Yup, thats an nVIDIA fanboy
Well if there's an ATi fanboy out there there's got to be something seriously wrong with him.
brain_stew
Member
kinggroin said:Pshhh, scaredy cat
Once you've conquered xFire, SLI is a walk in the park:lol
See, that's the thing, you shouldn't have to "conquer" anything, that shit should just work. Many of the people jumping into a multi GPU setup don't release the many drawbaks you willl be facing and that it does make life more of a hassle than it needs to be. For those that are dedicated and can't notice stuff like micro-stutter and increased input lag, then go ahead but while a multi GPU setup isn't as straightforward as running a single GPU setup (and honestly, I think it never will be) then I can't consciously recommend it without a whole host of qualifiers.
It just isn't for everyone and when there's blazing fast single GPU solutions available for reasonable prices that come with a crapload of VRAM, well, forgive me for picking the single card solution as the one I choose to push. Its still a better fit for the majority of gamers in my book and I don't see anything changing that in the forseeable future. Go SLI if a single GTX 480 doesn't offer enough performance for you (only really applicable to gamers that use S3D or 2560x1600 resolutions) otherwise, its probably not worth the bother.
Mind 2x GTX 470s are starting to look an intriguing option. They can be had for as little as ~$550 and at least come with a reasonable amount of VRAM (though not as much as I'd like) and even when performance scaling isn't upto snuff a single GTX 470 is still a beast.
Mr_Brit said:
No.
Maybe if you're a novice and dont need the best performance possible, a sinlge card will be fine.
Many enthusiasts didn't get into the PC gaming hobby for "just fine" though. The few headaches are definitely worth it for someone looking for a no compromise system. The minority sure, but definitely not, "always better"
brain_stew said:
Of course no should HAVE to conquer anything. It's why I'd never recommend ATI hardware when goign dual GPU. I also NEVER said it's for everyone either (look above). However, SLI and even xfire does serve a purpose for many PC gaming enthusiasts.
A couble of thoughts:
1) No doubt the 460 is a great card for the money as long as people stay away from the 786 MB version.
2) While your hatred of dual-GPU setups is well known brain_stew, and certainly a single GPU is always better than a dual-GPU setup of comparable power, there is no getting around the obvious reason why its worth having more than one GPU: Power. If at all possible, I would recommend a dual or triple GPU setup for people who intend to game at resolutions above 1920x1200.
3) I am guessing that most people who game at very high resolutions are also mostly graphics whores, and let me tell you, the 1 GB VRAM standard is getting old. I would recommend getting the 2GB 460, 1.5 GB 480, 2GB 5870 or 4 GB 5970 for people intending to run heavily modded games at very resolutions with lots of AA.
Personal note: my ATI 4870x2 is no longer giving me power enough for 2560x1600, and I am hurting from the 1 GB per GPU limitation. It has, however, served me very well.
1) No doubt the 460 is a great card for the money as long as people stay away from the 786 MB version.
2) While your hatred of dual-GPU setups is well known brain_stew, and certainly a single GPU is always better than a dual-GPU setup of comparable power, there is no getting around the obvious reason why its worth having more than one GPU: Power. If at all possible, I would recommend a dual or triple GPU setup for people who intend to game at resolutions above 1920x1200.
3) I am guessing that most people who game at very high resolutions are also mostly graphics whores, and let me tell you, the 1 GB VRAM standard is getting old. I would recommend getting the 2GB 460, 1.5 GB 480, 2GB 5870 or 4 GB 5970 for people intending to run heavily modded games at very resolutions with lots of AA.
Personal note: my ATI 4870x2 is no longer giving me power enough for 2560x1600, and I am hurting from the 1 GB per GPU limitation. It has, however, served me very well.
brain_stew
Member
kinggroin said:
I don't doubt that.Its why I said that SLI GTX 470/480 are the two interesting multi-GPU options atm. Buying two midrange cards instead of one high end card though? Nah, I'm not seeing what exactly this achieves other than unnecessary headaches.
In the current climate, I don't see how I could recommend absolutely any crossfire setup though.
brain_stew
Member
DennisK4 said:
Actually, I think we're mostly on the same page here.
1) Goes without saying.
2) This is precisely where I recommend dual GPU setups. Its why I ask for the gaming resolution and whether or not 3D is involved when someone queries it. There's very little a multi GPU setup can offer a 1080p gamer unless they're a supersampling whore but if you game at 2560x1600 or use stereo 3D then an SLI 470 or SLI 480 setup definitely begins to make sense. This is also why I reserve multi GPU setups for those where a single GTX 480 won't satisfy. Go multi GPU if you need more than a GTX 480 can offer, not if a single GTX 480 will satisfy you. You can always add a second later on.
3) This is another reason why I'm going cold on these dual midrange SLI setups. 1GB VRAM. Most are choosing 2x1GB GTX 460s and sorry to say it but that 1GB framebuffer is going to prove a major bottleneck in the future if it isn't one already. Its why I see the 1.5GB GTX 480 as a better option than SLI 460s and why I'd push the true enthusiast to SLI 480s, 'cos you're going to need that VRAM. 2GB 460s haven't hit the states yet but they may make things at least a little interesting. Until they do I see SLI 460s as a bad option.
brain_stew said:Actually, I think we're mostly on the same page here.
1) Goes without saying.
2) This is precisely where I recommend dual GPU setups. Its why I ask for the gaming resolution and whether or not 3D is involved when someone queries it. There's very little a multi GPU setup can offer a 1080p gamer unless they're a supersampling whore but if you game at 2560x1600 or use stereo 3D then an SLI 470 or SLI 480 setup definitely begins to make sense. This is also why I reserve multi GPU setups for those where a single GTX 480 won't satisfy. Go multi GPU if you need more than a GTX 480 can offer, not if a single GTX 480 will satisfy you. You can always add a second later on.
3) This is another reason why I'm going cold on these dual midrange SLI setups. 1GB VRAM. Most are choosing 2x1GB GTX 460s and sorry to say it but that 1GB framebuffer is going to prove a major bottleneck in the future if it isn't one already. Its why I see the 1.5GB GTX 480 as a better option than SLI 460s and why I'd push the true enthusiast to SLI 480s, 'cos you're going to need that VRAM. 2GB 460s haven't hit the states yet but they may make things at least a little interesting. Until they do I see SLI 460s as a bad option.
>: )
I'll never go back, mwuahahaha.
brain_stew
Member
Smo21 said:
I don't respond to PC related PMs and haven't for ages.
Get way too many, it gives people unfair priority if I do and it doesn't have the luxury of someone else being able to check and counter my recommendation.
Post here and if I've the time/motivation I'll respond, if I don't at least someone else might. I could only reasonably respond to masses of PMs personally if I was being paid but I'm not so I can't.
I was getting a dozen a day at one point.
THIS GOES FOR EVERYBODY
dr3upmushroom
Banned
Wow, is that chart accurate? 470's are actually slightly quieter than 460's?brain_stew said:It'll consume less power than a 460 SLI or 5870 crossfire setup so I don't see why that's an issue and the AMP edition is quieter than any GTX 460 or 5870 you can buy especially if you want to run two of the things!! If noise is a serious issue than that's a major reason to go with the 480 AMP.
See:
SLI GTX 460s a whole 12Db louder than the GTX 480 AMP, point proven, I think.
I don't know whoever told you a 5870 was faster than a GTX 480 but they're smoking some crazy shit. They're not even in the same performance category. The GTX 480 completely blows it away these days (especially that AMP edition card).
If you insist on going with a dual GPU setup (though I strongly recommend against it) then get the GTX 460s. Performance is pretty similar but pricing isn't and ATI's crossfire drivers just aren't upto snuff to SLI.
I know you already said that they have an average noise level, but I guess I've been conditioned by the uproar when Fermi launched to think that they're horrendously noisy and hot.
kinggroin said:
I never think to check there.
I really need to just wipe this idea from my head. I should just let my 5850 run its course and then make the switch to Nvidia. Im so crazy about my rig being able to run FFXIV the best though and its largely compatible with Nvidia cards. I need to chill the hell out.
NintendoGal
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So I'm upgrading my motherboard/CPU (and now ram since the new boards have moved onto DDR3). Just need a question answered:
Will this memory -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227558
work with this motherboard -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131406R
???
Generally I can figure it out for myself, but can't seem to get a definite answer with searching and such.
Will this memory -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227558
work with this motherboard -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131406R
???
Generally I can figure it out for myself, but can't seem to get a definite answer with searching and such.
Mr Nightman
Banned
Am condsidering doing a video card/ motherboard upgrade this holiday season, just had a question. I'm leaning towards a GTX 460 card, and currently have a 9800GT that I plan to use as a physx card, would my 600 Watt PSU be able to handle both?
Mr Nightman
Banned
Mr_Brit said:
Ok just wanted to make sure, so do the GTX 460's use less power then a 9800GT?
brain_stew
Member
Aesius said:
You could get a 2x2GB kit and have 6GB. Don't get a single 2GB stick.
NinjaTehFish
Banned
brain_stew said:
First up, thanks for your time.
Ok.....but i still want a decent setup for my bro too.
So, say i keep the Q6600 and get a cheaper phenom x4 for my bro....Is the gtx460 That much of an improvement over the 4870?
I figured i can cross fire later if need to and i know i'll be paying well under rrp.
brain_stew
Member
NinjaTehFish said:
Not really, about 30% or so. The GTX 470 is a pretty good option now that you can get an EVGA card with a lifetime warranty for as little as $280 after rebate.
ok so guys im going for the 480 card
but is it better to keep my 1055X6 ( well my order for it )
or cancell the order and get a i5 760 and how much is the difference between that for gaming and a i7 860.
keep in mind only for gaming i dont plan to use it for heavy programms or what ever.
should i just settle with the 1055 or get the i5 or spend more and get the i7
also will my cooler master 750W be enough for the 480 and if i plan to do a SLI later or does it consume to much power the 480SLI.
also the difference in price between the i7 860 and i7 930 is nothing so which one is better.
but is it better to keep my 1055X6 ( well my order for it )
or cancell the order and get a i5 760 and how much is the difference between that for gaming and a i7 860.
keep in mind only for gaming i dont plan to use it for heavy programms or what ever.
should i just settle with the 1055 or get the i5 or spend more and get the i7
also will my cooler master 750W be enough for the 480 and if i plan to do a SLI later or does it consume to much power the 480SLI.
also the difference in price between the i7 860 and i7 930 is nothing so which one is better.
I would like to purchase another monitor and have a dual monitor setup. I have a samsung syncmaster 2243 and would like to add a 24 inch samsung monitor. My graphics card is an ATI 5870 Sapphire.
I would like to work while having a dvd on or even game and have one monitor with porn on.
How would the sound work for 2 monitors both playing different stuff on?
Regards
Rocky
I would like to work while having a dvd on or even game and have one monitor with porn on.
How would the sound work for 2 monitors both playing different stuff on?
Regards
Rocky
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Avyrocky said:
The sound would play simultaneously just like every other time you have 2 programs open... I'm going to assume this was a joke post.
Omiee said:
Those are all pretty good choices so no matter what you chose I don't think you'll notice much difference. Nothing can take advantage of the i7 1366 socket extra 4 threads so that's why people have been recommending i5s since they were stereotypically cheaper but i7 prices have been coming down. The AMD are nice processors also and have a known upgrade path in the future so it's cheaper now and you have a known upgrade path for the future. AFAIK the intels still have not declared upgrade path so it's hard to future proof those a little more. If you already have the AMD processor I don't think you'll be disappointed or be worth the effort to exchange but someone else may have a different preference.