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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition
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LaserBuddha
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brain_stew said:
Understood.
Any other opinions on that Dell rig? I should mentioned that I got financed for it, so that's a big part of the decision since I don't have the cash to drop on a system right now. It doesn't have to be the best deal in the world, but if you guys think it's a good deal then I'm getting it.
brain_stew
Member
LaserBuddha said:
Do you need financing for the entire system? Its not for me to judge but usually if someone is buying a machine on finance it means its a sizable amount of money for them, in which case I'd recommend that a ~$600 rig can accomplish what you actually want and is an option worth considering.
LaserBuddha
Member
brain_stew said:
I'll have the money to pay the machine off within the next month or so, I'd simply rather have it now than later. This machine also looks good because it includes a monitor, which I don't currently have. Plus I don't have experience building my own system.
I actually have a 7600 GT and a single core. Don't know what I said 6800.brain_stew said:
Was considering upgrading to a dual core, but I've having problems updating my chipset, and it says to do it before flashing the BIOS. I could use a new harddrive. I guess if I got a new one I could flash the BIOS without worrying about drivers to enable dual core, but that's racking up money that could be put toward a $500 dollar rig.
That's the motivation behind something cheap and similar to 7600 GT. Looks like the 4550 is balls compared to that too.
Anyways, how would a 4850 work with single core for the time being?
brain_stew
Member
LaserBuddha said:
Could you give us a rundown of the exact configuration you're considering?
brain_stew
Member
Minsc said:
Even vanilla WOW can do that. Its single threaded CPU performance which is the bottleneck, I believe.
LaserBuddha
Member
brain_stew said:
The one in the link as-is, though I would be upgrading to the 24" monitor. I'm open to suggestions if there are any other small upgrades that I should go for.
This won't be just for WoW, this will also be my starting-off point for going back to PC gaming in general. I've been itching to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
EDIT: here's a nice list view of the whole system:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...vw=icon&leadtime=10/29/2010&showleadtime=True
drhankmccoyphd
Member
Kind of an odd question, but roughly how much does a new gaming PC add to your monthly electric bill? I've been going over my usage since my bill has been creeping up by something like $17/mo. As far as I can tell the appliances and TVs block of usage has remained static for a year. Could a decent gaming PC, albeit splitting gaming time between 360/PS3 be enough to account for an extra $15-20 a month? I always thought that even monster rigs were relatively tame when compared to a refrigerator, AC.
Hey, guys.
Thanks to the help from this thread, I've built myself a nice new rig. Everything works great, except I've been messing with Dolphin (the GC/Wii emulator) today and wanted to check how much the cpu turboboosts when using only two cores and, well, thats when things started to get weird.
It doesnt. And the cpu doesnt run at it's default frequency of 2.80 at all, but at 2.88 and it doesn't change from that at all. I've upgraded the bios to the latest version but it hasn't changed anything. Any ideas whats going on?
CPU: Core i5 760
MB: Gigabyte P55A-UD3
RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR3 2x2GB 1600MHz (KHX1600C9D3K2/4G)
Halp?
Thanks to the help from this thread, I've built myself a nice new rig. Everything works great, except I've been messing with Dolphin (the GC/Wii emulator) today and wanted to check how much the cpu turboboosts when using only two cores and, well, thats when things started to get weird.
It doesnt. And the cpu doesnt run at it's default frequency of 2.80 at all, but at 2.88 and it doesn't change from that at all. I've upgraded the bios to the latest version but it hasn't changed anything. Any ideas whats going on?
CPU: Core i5 760
MB: Gigabyte P55A-UD3
RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR3 2x2GB 1600MHz (KHX1600C9D3K2/4G)
Halp?
marathonfool
Member
Like I said, it's a older PC, but would like to run L4D and L4D2 on it.Hazaro said:
The cpu is Pentium D 820 2.8 Ghz, 1 Gig of Ram, and thinking of upgrading the video card to GT240 for the low power consumption. Hoping to run at 1024 x 768 on XP. Just want some stable 30 FPS, doesn't need to be 60 FPS.
Is it going to work? Or am I out of luck.
grap3fruitman
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Okay, so my brother's got an i7-875k and a Radeon 5870 and he's running Fallout New Vegas maxed out at 1680x1050 right now. We're throwing in a second 5870 today, so what kind of benefits should we expect to see, if any?
Masta_Killah
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brain_stew
Member
marathonfool said:
L4D 1 & 2 are going to be CPU bound on a rig like that, increasing your resultuon and using higher setting shouldn't have any real negative effect on your framerate so no need to turn them down like that.
Going to need to upgrade to 2GB/3GB RAM.
I'd pick a 5670 over a GT 240:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102871&cm_re=5670-_-14-102-871-_-Product
If you do go with a GT 240, make sure its the GDDR5 variant.
marathonfool
Member
Ah, yeah. That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll try it out and see how it performs. I won't be shocked if it drops in the teens when there's tons of action. Thanks for the 5670 recommend, can I run it on a stock 300 watt power supply and I'm assuming it doesn't need a power rail.brain_stew said:
edit:BTW, anyone have success with Game Booster?
LaserBuddha
Member
bumpin' hoping for help.
My only worry is that the proc (Phenom II X6 1045T) isn't quite going to cut it for something like WoW.
I also configured this Studio XPS 8100 system, which might be better for what i need due to the processor:
PROCESSORS Intel® Core i5-760 processor(8MB Cache, 2.8GHz)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
MONITOR Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only
VIDEO CARD ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB DDR3
HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
Comes out to $1207.99 before my $75 employee purchase program discount. I would be upgrading the video cards in either machine at some point so those aren't a big concern for me right now. Same with the optical drive.
My only worry is that the proc (Phenom II X6 1045T) isn't quite going to cut it for something like WoW.
I also configured this Studio XPS 8100 system, which might be better for what i need due to the processor:
PROCESSORS Intel® Core i5-760 processor(8MB Cache, 2.8GHz)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
MONITOR Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only
VIDEO CARD ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB DDR3
HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
Comes out to $1207.99 before my $75 employee purchase program discount. I would be upgrading the video cards in either machine at some point so those aren't a big concern for me right now. Same with the optical drive.
TouchMyBox
Member
Dr. Acid Avatar said:
Heh, last time i cleaned my computer there was still stains on my 5870 from me knocking blueberry smoothie ontop of my computer (the top of my case is all fan grilles). Yeah, kinda freaked me out for several minutes there. :lol
opticalmace
Member
Shouldn't you be able to do that anyway with an i7 and one 5870 at 1680x1050?K.Jack said:
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Crimefighta
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Hi guys: monitor/display question here.
I'm looking to buy a monitor/display that's between 24/29 inches for connecting my laptop, a rig I'm putting together and one or two consoles. Its in my room, so it's doubling as sort of my workstation (when I'm not elsewhere on my laptop) and my "I got they lady over and we're gonna curl up with movie" display.
Going the monitor route, I can't find anything with multiple HDMI inputs and if I go with a nice TV (which has it's upside, especially with a super-thin LED LCD) its tough to find something that's going to have high enough res for me when I hook up a computer (especially under 32")
Thoughts? Displays you REALLY like, even if they don't fit my unreasonable requests? Knowledge of a solution that will make you my favorite person? Looking at spending less than 500 bucks but I can be convinced to spend money like a crazy person for the right piece of hardware).
Thanks, this is the best collection of smart dudes for hardware on the internet.
I'm looking to buy a monitor/display that's between 24/29 inches for connecting my laptop, a rig I'm putting together and one or two consoles. Its in my room, so it's doubling as sort of my workstation (when I'm not elsewhere on my laptop) and my "I got they lady over and we're gonna curl up with movie" display.
Going the monitor route, I can't find anything with multiple HDMI inputs and if I go with a nice TV (which has it's upside, especially with a super-thin LED LCD) its tough to find something that's going to have high enough res for me when I hook up a computer (especially under 32")
Thoughts? Displays you REALLY like, even if they don't fit my unreasonable requests? Knowledge of a solution that will make you my favorite person? Looking at spending less than 500 bucks but I can be convinced to spend money like a crazy person for the right piece of hardware).
Thanks, this is the best collection of smart dudes for hardware on the internet.
Anyone got experience with Apevia Aspire Cases (Mainly the PSU it uses)
This one comes with a 500W power supply. Does anyone know if its a good quality one? Or should I just buy the cheaper version of the case (only comes with a 420W power supply) and get a different PSU?
This one comes with a 500W power supply. Does anyone know if its a good quality one? Or should I just buy the cheaper version of the case (only comes with a 420W power supply) and get a different PSU?
LaserBuddha
Member
Making one more pass through here to show the latest config I'm going for. Just looking for thoughts before I take the plunge.
The video card will be upgraded at some point in the next year.
Studio XPS 7100 - 1324.99
PROCESSOR & GRAPHICS CARD AMD Phenom II X6 1045T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
OPTICAL DRIVE Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
MONITOR Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only
SOUND CARD THX® TruStudio PC
BLUETOOTH Dell Wireless 365 Bluetooth 2.1 Module
The video card will be upgraded at some point in the next year.
Studio XPS 7100 - 1324.99
PROCESSOR & GRAPHICS CARD AMD Phenom II X6 1045T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
OPTICAL DRIVE Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
MONITOR Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only
SOUND CARD THX® TruStudio PC
BLUETOOTH Dell Wireless 365 Bluetooth 2.1 Module
Felix Lighter
Member
LaserBuddha said:
When buying a prebuilt that you plan on upgrading, you'll want to check the power supply they include. It may not be suitable for the graphics card you plan on getting.
LaserBuddha
Member
Felix Lighter said:
It's 460w, how does that sound?
Felix Lighter
Member
LaserBuddha said:
If it's the one they use for the HD 5870 configuration, it should be fine for just about any single graphics card.
LaserBuddha
Member
Yeah it's the only PS listed in the tech specs so that sounds right.
OK, I'm doing this, may God save my soul...
OK, I'm doing this, may God save my soul...
Nvidia has dropped the price of the 1GB 460 to $199 and the 470 to $259.99 FYI
Update: Prices already in effect on newegg.
MSI Cyclone version is $199.99 - $15 rebate = $185
Gigabyte is 199.99 - $20 rebate = $180
MSI Hawk is 214.99 - 20 rebate = 195
Also new Hawk Talon version with higher OCs. 810 versus 780 on the core and 1620 versus 1560 on the memory. This new Hawk is $214.99.
Update 2: There is an EVGA 470 @ $259.99 - $30 rebate = $239.99 WITH MAFIA 2!
Well I would say this should keep AMDs prices in line just in case they had any ideas of taking advantage of the X800 name.
Update: Prices already in effect on newegg.
MSI Cyclone version is $199.99 - $15 rebate = $185
Gigabyte is 199.99 - $20 rebate = $180
MSI Hawk is 214.99 - 20 rebate = 195
Also new Hawk Talon version with higher OCs. 810 versus 780 on the core and 1620 versus 1560 on the memory. This new Hawk is $214.99.
Update 2: There is an EVGA 470 @ $259.99 - $30 rebate = $239.99 WITH MAFIA 2!
Well I would say this should keep AMDs prices in line just in case they had any ideas of taking advantage of the X800 name.
And going further down from retailers. There is a 1 GB 460 for 172$ after MIR from the egg now. Finally at least gets its value close to the 768 460. 
Here's a combo deal for 2 Gigabyte 1GB 460's for 320$ after 40$ in MIR. Go SLI or split it with a friend for 160$ 1GB models *drool*
Here's a combo deal for 2 Gigabyte 1GB 460's for 320$ after 40$ in MIR. Go SLI or split it with a friend for 160$ 1GB models *drool*
Looks like reports of the price drops happening today or tomorrow were true. There's absolutely no way AMD can launch the 6870 higher than $250. The $270-280 estimates were almost certainly never going to happen, so now that they've gotten Nvidia to show their hand, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to undercut the 470 and 1GB 460 by ~$15-20.
Hey guys, i was thinking of this build -
Any changes anyone would recommend?
Im not too bothered about the price, but if anyone could suggest any cheaper alternative parts without loosing much performance it would be welcome :lol
Also - would i be better waiting for the new AMD cards?
Any changes anyone would recommend?
Im not too bothered about the price, but if anyone could suggest any cheaper alternative parts without loosing much performance it would be welcome :lol
Also - would i be better waiting for the new AMD cards?
Adamm said:
That is what I'm doing. I am going to probably change out my case and get a 750 watter separately (don't think the 500 watt is beefy enough). Anyway, here's my (modest) build:
It should be enough to run pretty much anything, once I drop a 6870 in there. I'm going to order this as soon as the 6870s are available. Any comments welcome!
That's the case I'm using right now...it's pretty sweet. Let me know if you have any specific questions.Cheech said:That is what I'm doing. I am going to probably change out my case and get a 750 watter separately (don't think the 500 watt is beefy enough). Anyway, here's my (modest) build:
It should be enough to run pretty much anything, once I drop a 6870 in there. I'm going to order this as soon as the 6870s are available. Any comments welcome!
Only thing that sucks is that the motherboard plate or whatnot isn't removable. A minor annoyance.
ChoklitReign
Member
There's a 768MB G460 for $150 after a rebate. Should I buy that over the R6850? Will the 6850 offer a performance boost worth $50 more? I can afford either one but spending less is always a good thing.
So much for pricing...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410880
Now to wait for legit benches to come in from more sites.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410880
Now to wait for legit benches to come in from more sites.
Have a look at the link above. Benches will continue to come in, and in the next week or so, you should have a better feel for which card meets your need/budget. No need to rush, as the GTX460 rebates + drops won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Also, who knows what retailers will do with their 5850/5870 inventory.ChoklitReign said:
Most cases lack a removable motherboard tray. You really can't expect to find an enclosure in the Sonata's price bracket to have that feature.TheEastonator said:
http://hardocp.com/news/2010/10/21/price_drops_by_nvidia_announced·feist· said:
$200 for GTX460 1GB
$260 for GTX470
Ah, I think my wording could've been better. I meant I wouldn't been surprised if AMD tried to undercut the newly announced 460/470 prices. Since the 68xx seem set at $200/$250 (instead of the rumored $230/$280), they really don't need to (assuming benches hold steady), but it would just increase the pressure on Nvidia.
As much as most of us dislike AMD's restructured line-up, I always saw it as another way for the company to easily compete at every price point with high level products. They simply need to adjust prices accordingly.
As much as most of us dislike AMD's restructured line-up, I always saw it as another way for the company to easily compete at every price point with high level products. They simply need to adjust prices accordingly.
Mr Nightman
Banned
I was going to comment on getting an i5 rig, but then I say you had 2x GTX 480. :lolAdamm said:Hey guys, i was thinking of this build -
Any changes anyone would recommend?
Im not too bothered about the price, but if anyone could suggest any cheaper alternative parts without loosing much performance it would be welcome :lol
Also - would i be better waiting for the new AMD cards?
Buying high end right now is not what I'd do. 2 new chipsets around the corner and little to no upgrade path on your current socket. Dual 480's will suck power like mad and with AMD releasing their new flagship card and nVidia making a response I'd definitely wait it out.
Will be a few months though. So it's up to you.