"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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TheExodu5 said:
Hmm? It's ok to let a card run up that high? I know some people have said that they can run hot, and well I *thought* that my issue was my card getting too hot as it would crash around the 70C area (could have been a different issue though). I adjusted my profile to keep the temp lower... but we can let it get that hot and be ok?
BTW, that firmware update to my SDD seemed to do the trick. No longer having the pauses. Thanks for that
.Yeah, no problem. The cards can actually handle closer to 95C...but that's pushing it. The old 8800GT single slots ran at about that temp. Many manufacturers are just concerned about terrible reviews that don't bother sound level matching cards when they compare temperatures.TommyT said:Hmm? It's ok to let a card run up that high? I know some people have said that they can run hot, and well I *thought* that my issue was my card getting too hot as it would crash around the 70C area (could have been a different issue though). I adjusted my profile to keep the temp lower... but we can let it get that hot and be ok?
BTW, that firmware update to my SDD seemed to do the trick. No longer having the pauses. Thanks for that
chaosblade
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Not really, you might see a small benefit in games like Crysis or Witcher 2, not sure.Omiee said:
With the same amount of RAM, while trying to RAM limit yourself (fastest CPU and GPU possible at low resolutions) you'll see just a few extra FPS benefit at most between 1333 and 1600. Realistically people are not going to be running two 580s and a 4.5GHz+ 2500/2600k at low resolutions where RAM speed makes any difference. So 1333 RAM is fine. You can never have too much RAM though, even if you might not use it all
Not a great card, but it should run games at decent resolutions and medium-high settings. Don't expect to use tessellation (5000 series wasn't good at it) or much AA on it without sacrificing settings.
How much are you spending? You might be able to get a 460 for about the same price.
dangerbyrnes
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OK, i am thinking of buying my computer by the end of the week. what do you guys think of this build? anything look off, or strange? any suggestions are welcome.
Case: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower Gaming Case
CPU: Intel® Core i7-2600K 3.40 GHz
Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M Intel P67 Chipset DDR3 mATX Mainboard Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe x1 & 1 PCI
Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Dual GPU SLI 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card
Power Supply: 1,000 Watts - Raidmax RX-1000AE 80
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
SSD: 80 GB Intel 320 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-B123L 12X BLU-RAY Player & DVDRW Combo
OS: Windows 7 64 bit OS
also, this will cost me around $1,800, I'd like to know if that's a good price for this build. (includes building, and shipping) I did compare it to newegg prices and they are pretty close, and newegg doesn't assemble.
Thanks
Case: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower Gaming Case
CPU: Intel® Core i7-2600K 3.40 GHz
Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M Intel P67 Chipset DDR3 mATX Mainboard Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe x1 & 1 PCI
Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Dual GPU SLI 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card
Power Supply: 1,000 Watts - Raidmax RX-1000AE 80
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
SSD: 80 GB Intel 320 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-B123L 12X BLU-RAY Player & DVDRW Combo
OS: Windows 7 64 bit OS
also, this will cost me around $1,800, I'd like to know if that's a good price for this build. (includes building, and shipping) I did compare it to newegg prices and they are pretty close, and newegg doesn't assemble.
Thanks
8GB DDR3 1333 is pretty much the best RAM buy atm, IMO. The speed difference in between 1333 and 1600 is negligible (unless you're running an AMD A8...not likely if you plan on gaming). It costs about $15 to go from 4GB to 8GB. With that, you're future proofed and you'll never be bothered to add any more memory on that build.
While 4GB is plenty, it doesn't leave all that much breathing space. If you need to cut costs, then by all means go 4GB, but if money is not that large of a concern, you're not going to hurt yourself by pumping another $15 into the build.
While 4GB is plenty, it doesn't leave all that much breathing space. If you need to cut costs, then by all means go 4GB, but if money is not that large of a concern, you're not going to hurt yourself by pumping another $15 into the build.
chaosblade
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You've got some great components there, but you are totally skimping on the case and PSU. I don't know if that GPU will even fit in that case.dangerbyrnes said:
And don't get a Raidmax PSU. Get something from a quality brand. All the watts in the world aren't going to help you if it catches on fire of messes up one of your expensive components. Look into Seasonic, Corsair, XFX, etc. Not sure how much power a 590 draws so I can't really recommend anything specific there.
Looking at NewEgg, I think this would be my RAM pick:
G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1333
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
$43.99
It looks nice (black PCB), it's cheap, and the lack of heatsink is actually good thing as it ensures compatibility with aftermarket CPU heatsinks.
G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1333
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
$43.99
It looks nice (black PCB), it's cheap, and the lack of heatsink is actually good thing as it ensures compatibility with aftermarket CPU heatsinks.
dangerbyrnes
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chaosblade said:
well, those were two things i wasn't sure about, the last was the motherboard. is that a good motherboard for the components?
what's a great case, anything you recommend?
chaosblade
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HAF 912 is relatively cheap ($60, and usually has a $10 rebate) and will fit that GPU if you take out the top HDD bay. It's a solid case for the price.dangerbyrnes said:
And the motherboard is fine.
Edit: For the PSU, looks like something in the 850W range will give you some headroom. 750W would run it but might limit OCing.
chaosblade
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You don't need it for the stock heatsinks. With aftermarket ones check the contents of the cooler you're ordering. Some include thermal paste, some don't.ACE 1991 said:
You're getting a Hyper 212+ right? That includes thermal paste.
black_vegeta
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ACE 1991 said:
In most cases, it comes with the aftermarket cpu cooler if you're going to buy one.
iSurvivedTheOutage
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amazon still hasnt refunded me...im growing impatient.
fuzzyreactor
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i have it. decent but dont expect to run upcoming games @1080p and good framerate.Kentpaul said:
Im playing Deus ex nearly maxed and 1080p and good frames but that game isnt very demanding
dangerbyrnes
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chaosblade said:
OK, i took your suggestions and now i have changed the case and PSU.
CoolerMaster HAF 912 (only $11 more than the other one)
1,050 Watts - Corsair HX1050W 80 Plus Power Supply (about $100 more than the Raidmax, but it's worth it for a better PSU)
Thanks
Doc Holliday
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ACE 1991 said:
Yea, it really helps with cooling the cpu. You put thermal paste in between the CPU and the cooler. Don't put too much or you'll have a mess lol.
Red Blaster
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Having an issue where my monitor goes black for a second and the message "nvidia display driver stopped responding but has been recovered". Any ideas what this means?
Red Blaster said:
Found this on a Nvidia forum at the end of a long long list of people having the same error and no answers.
"I use to get the error all the time in certain games and seemed to happen in certain parts of the game more then others. I found out that changing the power management mode in the Nvidia Control panel under manage 3D settings from Adaptive to prefer maximum performance made all of the driver crashes go away. I have been running for several weeks now without a single driver crash laugh.gif If only if I would have found out about that a long time ago "
Hope it helps you,
VibratingDonkey
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Revised build.
And I'll give the 212+ a shot. Might as well try to get it right from the start.
Oh geez, just discovered the top and rear fans on the P182 have three adjustable speeds. Turned one to M and the CPU temp dropped by 9C.
Think this means I can't remove them though.
Upon reflection I'll probably be better off replacing my P182. Things will just be easier and cleaner and better and nicer and new.
And I'll give the 212+ a shot. Might as well try to get it right from the start.
Oh geez, just discovered the top and rear fans on the P182 have three adjustable speeds. Turned one to M and the CPU temp dropped by 9C.
Think this means I can't remove them though.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I own one. I love it for medium settings. What's your budget? I recently purchased GTX 460. Buy that instead since that is a better performer than 5770.Kentpaul said:
chaosblade
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Only if you "thrashing" and are constantly using your page file because you don't have enough RAM. A RAM upgrade will be more effective, or for rendering a CPU upgrade would help.Soi-Fong said:
If you already have a lot of RAM and a high end modern CPU, you're probably just limited by the tech that's available right now.
iSurvivedTheOutage
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570 on its way! w00+!
black_vegeta
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iSurvivedTheOutage said:
Have you contacted their customer service recently?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Alright. Moment of truth. I just cancelled a bunch of preorder and I have $200 in my pocket right now. My current card is 1GB HD 5770. What does GAF recommend:
1. Get another 1GB HD 5770 and enjoy dual cards; or
2. Get a better card for $200 and sell 5770?
Of course, the money is going to cost the same cause I might need a better power supply to support both cards (currently 550W).
Decisions, decisions...
Bonus/alternate question: What should I replace/change/upgrade to get a better performance/fps if my current budget is around $250.
My current specs are:
AMD Athlon X4 - Quad Core @ 2.90Ghz
4GB RAM
1GB HD 5770
550W PSU
1. Get another 1GB HD 5770 and enjoy dual cards; or
2. Get a better card for $200 and sell 5770?
Of course, the money is going to cost the same cause I might need a better power supply to support both cards (currently 550W).
Decisions, decisions...
Bonus/alternate question: What should I replace/change/upgrade to get a better performance/fps if my current budget is around $250.
My current specs are:
AMD Athlon X4 - Quad Core @ 2.90Ghz
4GB RAM
1GB HD 5770
550W PSU
chaosblade
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$200 before rebate will get you a 6870/560 (they perform very similarly). That won't perform as well as two 5770s, but it will be more reliable. I'd go with the single card just because it's less of a hassle, multi-GPU configurations tend to bring out the worst in PC gaming (dealing with drivers, profiles, compatibility, etc).shagg_187 said:
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Yeah, upgrade the GPU to a 6870/560, and get a Hyper 212+ to OC your CPU. Don't think you will run two 5770s on that PSU, at least not with much headroom.
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TommyT said:
HAHAHAHA! Sorry man. My "Engrish" ain't that special.
chaosblade said:
Hmm! I guess I'll sell my 5770 then. HEY! A gaffer is looking for one... maybe I can sell it to him for 50% discount...
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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TommyT said:
Money grows on tree, mayyynnn!!
OK, so I guess I'll sell my 5770 then. any one wants to buy it?! AUCTION HOUSE! PM ME YOUR BEST OFFER!
Krauser Kat
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Must hold out for ATI 7xxx series.
wandering goat
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VibratingDonkey said:
If money's not too big a concern, the R3 should be better than the P182 for the Asus GPU you want. I tried the 580 DCU II myself in my P183, and the temps were horrible. That's with the top exhaust blocked off though, which should definitely have made a difference, though how big, I don't know. With the R3, you can customize the air flow a lot more, so if things are too hot, you can open up the top exhaust, and then the side if you need even more.
As for the P182's fans, they should be just as removable as any others. If they're like the P183's, they just have an RPM control as part of their fan cables, and the control is screwed into the opening at the back. You can probably re-use them in the R3, it's just that the controls will be inside the case.
i used to have ddr3 kingston 1333 4gb, but i helped my friend with his build and got tempted to upgrade.
so tomorrow im going to get these: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/271292/corsair-vengeance-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9.html
so tomorrow im going to get these: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/271292/corsair-vengeance-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9.html
Well, Irene didn't do any real physical damage to my location, but they managed to take out my internet connection for a solid day. New computer pictures time!
i5-2500k
GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3
GTX 460
8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
1TB Samsung Spinpoint
700w XIGMATEK
ASUS 24x DVD Burner
Cooler Master Hyper 212+
Antec Three Hundred
http://i54.tinypic.com/ogaxkk.jpg
All of the parts together, but at the same time not together.
http://i52.tinypic.com/8yg61c.jpg
Yeah, it's a bit messy in there. I'll clean it up a bit next time I have to open it up. Installing that Cooler Master was a bitch, to say the least. Had a brief scare with the motherboard, but everything looks good and it's running well. It's MUCH quieter than my old computer. I think I need to emphasis that.
Total (before rebates): $755.96
Total (after rebates): $710.96
i5-2500k
GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3
GTX 460
8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
1TB Samsung Spinpoint
700w XIGMATEK
ASUS 24x DVD Burner
Cooler Master Hyper 212+
Antec Three Hundred
http://i54.tinypic.com/ogaxkk.jpg
All of the parts together, but at the same time not together.
http://i52.tinypic.com/8yg61c.jpg
Yeah, it's a bit messy in there. I'll clean it up a bit next time I have to open it up. Installing that Cooler Master was a bitch, to say the least. Had a brief scare with the motherboard, but everything looks good and it's running well. It's MUCH quieter than my old computer. I think I need to emphasis that.
Total (before rebates): $755.96
Total (after rebates): $710.96
shagg_187 said:Money grows on tree, mayyynnn!!
OK, so I guess I'll sell my 5770 then. any one wants to buy it?! AUCTION HOUSE! PM ME YOUR BEST OFFER!
I could see 560 ti's going to $200 before BF3, if you can wait. They're right at that price now after rebate, and it shouldn't be too long before they can be had for that price outright.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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LordCanti said:
Hmm... I guess I'll wait then!
foomfoom415
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Karmum said:
As someone who has the same Cooler Master coming and has never installed such a thing, any tips/advice? What was the toughest part?
JohnOfMars
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Hi,
I have a simple question over a PC that's already built that's just using the OS I had lying around.
Would I see any performance boost for upgrading from XP SP3 to Windows 7?
I have a simple question over a PC that's already built that's just using the OS I had lying around.
Would I see any performance boost for upgrading from XP SP3 to Windows 7?
wandering goat
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foomfoom415 said:
Doing it the first time, I remember it being a bit of a hassle, but that was mostly because I installed it with the motherboard already in the case, through a heatsink cutout that wasn't all that well placed for the mobo. I repeated it many times after that when helping my brother test his out, and it was easy enough then. The included instructions aren't the greatest as well. Probably the best advice is to have the motherboard outside of the case when you're attaching it. This should make it much easier to screw in the support to which the heatsink will attach.
For this kind of cooler (direct heat pipe contact), TIM application is said to be best when done something like this, only the 212+ has three places to put the TIM instead of two.
It's also said you should try to fill in the cracks between the pipes (what the red arrows are pointing at). I found with mine though, there weren't really any gaps, so I just did the lines between the pipes and it worked well.
chaosblade said:
Looking to spend around 90 British pounds, the HD5770 seems to be the best one in that range i can see, could you guys link me to a card around price that is allot better..
Graphics card hunting on a budget is a nightmare!
I think it's a bigger problem when you're looking to upgrade from a very good one and sorta need to in order to comfortably play some games you really want. If I was still on a 9800GT I'd gladly have gotten a 460 or 6850/6870, but it felt like that was too little of an upgrade from a 4870 to those, yet I couldn't stand the stuttering in the Witcher 2. If only video cards could support ram upgrades.
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