"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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Is the number of "phases" a motherboard has something to be worried about? I'm not looking for extreme overclocking, but I'd like to push a 2500k cpu over 4GHZ.
 
Heppell said:
Hey PC GAF

im just installing steam and its just stuck when im creating my account.

It just says creating account and hasnt progressed to the next stage of installation, what should i do?

Reinstall steam then go to http://store.steampowered.com/ and try logging in to see if your account was created or not.


jett said:
Is the number of "phases" a motherboard has something to be worried about? I'm not looking for extreme overclocking, but I'd like to push a 2500k cpu over 4GHZ.

4GHz is extremely easy on a 2500k, you don't have to worry about phases unless your going over 5Ghz. Here's an Intel Engineer talking about VRMs.
 
jett said:
Is the number of "phases" a motherboard has something to be worried about? I'm not looking for extreme overclocking, but I'd like to push a 2500k cpu over 4GHZ.

only when you get to the 4.8+ghz/1.4+v territory

most boards have decent amount of phases/vrm components ... only the cheapest models (like the Asus LE versions) don't, but even those should do 4.4 easily.
 
So... new PC complete, but I'm really, really not happy with the quality of the onboard sound. Can anyone suggest a good solution? Don't mind too much if it's expensive as long as it works well.
 
Hmm

Someone here linked a descriptive article about different kinds of AA and, IIRC, the gist of it was that Supersampling is the best AA in terms of IQ, however it is so taxing that is has led to other techniques getting developed, like ogssaa,trssaa, sgssaa etc.

However I was under the impression that SGSSAA ( in conjunction with MSAA ) actually trumped, in terms of IQ, regular supersampling? Have I understood this incorrectly?
 
Corky said:
Hmm

Someone here linked a descriptive article about different kinds of AA and, IIRC, the gist of it was that Supersampling is the best AA in terms of IQ, however it is so taxing that is has led to other techniques developed, like ogssaa,trssaa, sgssaa etc.

However I was under the impression that SGSSAA ( in conjunction with MSAA ) actually trumped, in terms of IQ, regular supersampling? Have I understood this incorrectly?

I read the same thing (and some other stuff) quickly and I believe SGSSAA is another "trick" to get as close to real "regular" supersampling as possible quality-wise while trying to minimize the enormous performance hit (SGSSAA still requires very heavy calculations obviously) =]
 
n0n44m said:
I read the same thing (and some other stuff) quickly and I believe SGSSAA is another "trick" to get as close to real "regular" supersampling as possible quality-wise while trying to minimize the enormous performance hit (SGSSAA still requires very heavy calculations obviously) =]

Oh I see, I guess the option is obvious if you have a setting that is as close to the best as possible yet requires less calculations, so in that sense I reckon sgssaa > ss. I seriously love tinkering with these kind of things :3
 
scogoth said:
4GHz is extremely easy on a 2500k, you don't have to worry about phases unless your going over 5Ghz. Here's an Intel Engineer talking about VRMs.


n0n44m said:
only when you get to the 4.8+ghz/1.4+v territory

most boards have decent amount of phases/vrm components ... only the cheapest models (like the Asus LE versions) don't, but even those should do 4.4 easily.

I see, thanks. Any clue the number of phases this has?
 
jett said:
I see, thanks. Any clue the number of phases this has?
4 phase I believe. MSI claims they use higher quality phases with their boards, so I guess that's why they don't have as much as the competition. I use a p67a gd65 and that is only 6+2 but I'm running on 4.5 just fine and think I can push it much more higher if I wanted to. You should be fine with that board. You could even go past 4.5 if you tweaked it right and have the right cooling setup.
 
georaldc said:
4 phase I believe. MSI claims they use higher quality phases with their boards, so I guess that's why they don't have as much as the competition. I use a p67a gd65 and that is only 6+2 but I'm running on 4.5 just fine and think I can push it much more higher if I wanted to. You should be fine with that board. You could even go past 4.5 if you tweaked it right and have the right cooling setup.

Thanks, I think I'll be going with either board. BTW do you have any problems with the network adapter? I've read some rumblings about it randomly going into hibernation mode.
 
Alright, I've been waiting for a Fractal R3 price drop, but it isn't happening. Can someone post me great alternatives that are cheaper? I don't know what is what when it comes to cases. I liked the simplicity of the R3, and figured you get what you pay for, but there must be something cheaper that's comparable, right?
 
cackhyena said:
Alright, I've been waiting for a Fractal R3 price drop, but it isn't happening. Can someone post me great alternatives that are cheaper? I don't know what is what when it comes to cases. I liked the simplicity of the R3, and figured you get what you pay for, but there must be something cheaper that's comparable, right?

The Coolermaster CM690 II (non-advanced) is a bit cheaper and still has very nice features, it is a bit more aimed at airflow instead of silence so it makes a bit more noise probably. The Coolermaster Silencio 550 is a bit of an R3 derivative but with less good airflow, noise isolation is very good though. The BitFenix Shinobi mentioned in the OP looks decent but I haven't read any reviews about it.

Most other cheaper than R3 cases can't hold a candle to the R3 imho :) in terms of design and noise/cooling ratio at least
 
Is there a suggested set of tweaks/optimizations I should perform on my SSD running Windows 7? I already verified that TRIM was enabled, but I'm not sure if there's anything else I should do.
 
n0n44m said:
The Coolermaster CM690 II (non-advanced) is a bit cheaper and still has very nice features, it is a bit more aimed at airflow instead of silence so it makes a bit more noise probably. The Coolermaster Silencio 550 is a bit of an R3 derivative but with less good airflow, noise isolation is very good though. The BitFenix Shinobi mentioned in the OP looks decent but I haven't read any reviews about it.

Most other cheaper than R3 cases can't hold a candle to the R3 imho :) in terms of design and noise/cooling ratio at least
Thanks, man. I think I'll just keep saving up. I've looked over soooo many cases, and nothing really appeals to me like the R3 does. I gotta have quiet.
 
sn1pes said:
Is there a suggested set of tweaks/optimizations I should perform on my SSD running Windows 7? I already verified that TRIM was enabled, but I'm not sure if there's anything else I should do.

turn off hibernation and set a fixed page file

I did that this morning and gained 12 gb on my Intel 80gb SSD lol (installation is about 7 months old now)
 
n0n44m said:
turn off hibernation and set a fixed page file

I did that this morning and gained 12 gb on my Intel 80gb SSD lol (installation is about 7 months old now)

Very good to know. Thanks for that.

Any other tweaks?
 
n0n44m said:
The Coolermaster CM690 II (non-advanced) is a bit cheaper and still has very nice features, it is a bit more aimed at airflow instead of silence so it makes a bit more noise probably. The Coolermaster Silencio 550 is a bit of an R3 derivative but with less good airflow, noise isolation is very good though. The BitFenix Shinobi mentioned in the OP looks decent but I haven't read any reviews about it.

Most other cheaper than R3 cases can't hold a candle to the R3 imho :) in terms of design and noise/cooling ratio at least

Used one for my build. Whisper quiet out of the box. Unless in a dead silent room you'd be hard pressed to ever know it was on by sound alone.


Chinner said:
is it me or is the hyper 212 plus fan a bit noisy?

I haven't noticed anything whenever I was testing it out. Since then I play with a headset so don't notice much of anything other than what comes through those.
 
jett said:
Thanks, I think I'll be going with either board. BTW do you have any problems with the network adapter? I've read some rumblings about it randomly going into hibernation mode.
On the gd65? Nope, haven't encountered any issues like that. One problem I did have with this board was random BSODs when the cpu was either idle or not being stressed (example just browsing the net). I think it had something to do with the board's vcore dropping too low or something like that. The problem seems to have gone away though after I flashed the bios to a newer version and redid my OC settings.
 
TommyT said:
Used one for my build. Whisper quiet out of the box. Unless in a dead silent room you'd be hard pressed to ever know it was on by sound alone.

Have one as well ... replaced all fans with even quieter fans :p it's a bit subjective I guess ;)

main difference with the R3 is that the 690 II is a lot more "open" with all the mesh covers whereas the R3 has mostly solid panels, some insulation and even extra covers for fan holes you don't use

still the 690 II (non-advanced) is probably the best midtower out there imho on price/quality ratio =]

Chinner said:
i mean it isn't bad, its fine and im being fussy, but since its running at 2000rpm it is audible slightly.

isn't it a PWM fan? you should be able to let your motherboard regulate the PWM according to cpu load then :p
 
georaldc said:
On the gd65? Nope, haven't encountered any issues like that. One problem I did have with this board was random BSODs when the cpu was either idle or not being stressed (example just browsing the net). I think it had something to do with the board's vcore dropping too low or something like that. The problem seems to have gone away though after I flashed the bios to a newer version and redid my OC settings.

That idle bug is a sandy bridge thing from what I've read. I have the same MSI G65 board and haven't had any BSODs but I have a very mild overclock. Only 4.2Ghz @ 1.25 vcore.
 
n0n44m said:
ziet er goed uit, be sure to post some pics =]

I still don't think the Antec 620 will fit though :( look at this picture ... the two 120mm fans are right next to the motherboard, meaning the radiator will probably hit either VRM components or the RAM. To make things completely impossible, your DVD drive will be hanging there as well?

Scythe Big Shuriken should fit though? Google around some more on this case too see some builds people have done with it =]

Dankjewel :-) On the other side of the case there's another space for a 12" fan... if it doesn't fit the one side, i'm hoping it'll fit on the other. I'm not building this myself, i can have it assembled for like 30 bucks - saves me the headache of troubleshooting and DOA parts, or having to send back a part that does not fit.

I'll probably tweak this build some more before i order it - which will not be for atleast 4 weeks. I'm really looking forward to playing Deus Ex and BF3 in my new house on my new PC and new TV :-) wooooo
 
JCtheMC said:
Dankjewel :-) On the other side of the case there's another space for a 12" fan... if it doesn't fit the one side, i'm hoping it'll fit on the other. I'm not building this myself, i can have it assembled for like 30 bucks - saves me the headache of troubleshooting and DOA parts, or having to send back a part that does not fit.

I'll probably tweak this build some more before i order it - which will not be for atleast 4 weeks. I'm really looking forward to playing Deus Ex and BF3 in my new house on my new PC and new TV :-) wooooo

other side is the intake for HDD cooling as far as I know

but let whoever assembles it find that out then, that's what you pay them for right =]

Chinner said:

indeed like scogoth says make sure it's on the cpu fan header, then in bios there should be some option that you can use to manage CPU fan speed, usually it has profiles like "silent, normal, turbo" or you can set the minimum and maximum temperature limits yourself =] depends on your motherboard manufacturer really
 
Flame Lord said:
Corsair Dominator half off on Amazon today. Worth it?
Not really
sn1pes said:
Is there a suggested set of tweaks/optimizations I should perform on my SSD running Windows 7? I already verified that TRIM was enabled, but I'm not sure if there's anything else I should do.
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Chinner said:
is it me or is the hyper 212 plus fan a bit noisy?
For some.
Plug it into your CPU_FAN and your motherboard most likely will control the speed.

You might also have speed/noise options and be able to set it to 'low' or 'quiet', or just hardcap the RPM at say 1500 instead of 2000.

*In the BIOS options of course. Hit Del on boot
chewydogg said:
Man that's a nice deal.
 
^ PC-GAF will implode with the awesomeness of your new screenshots. I expect a full visual showpiece once the rig is up!

Shambles said:
That's a great deal. And us lucky Canadians can pick up the Rosewill RTK-045M 45-Piece Magnetic Computer Tool Kit for $17. Yayyyyyy.......

:(
 
Man checked out a review of the 212+ cooler and that thing is so huge it's scary. :P I don't know how I feel about putting thermal paste on my cpu, either. Under what circumstances is that thing necessary?
 
jett said:
Man checked out a review of the 212+ cooler and that thing is so huge it's scary. :P I don't know how I feel about putting thermal paste on my cpu, either. Under what circumstances is that thing necessary?

I would do it hands down. It's far cooler than stock under load and the 2500k is so overclockable that it's almost criminal not to do it.

The thermal paste is simple. I ended up spreading a thin layer over the whole cpu and my temps are fine.
 
jett said:
Man checked out a review of the 212+ cooler and that thing is so huge it's scary. :P I don't know how I feel about putting thermal paste on my cpu, either. Under what circumstances is that thing necessary?
if you want to overclock. thermal paste is seriously the easiest thing ever, and i'm more than confident in your skill to put that thing on.
 
garath said:
That idle bug is a sandy bridge thing from what I've read. I have the same MSI G65 board and haven't had any BSODs but I have a very mild overclock. Only 4.2Ghz @ 1.25 vcore.
The bug is related to waking up from sleep/hibernation with Internal PLL enable. If it was due to just idling, there would have been a huge recall on all sandy bridge CPUs. And, yes, it could be do to Vcore dropping to low when CPU is idling. The CPU was design to underclock and use less voltages when idling. To fix it, add more voltage with OFFSET.
 
Opinions on going the SLI route with the GTX 560 Ti SLI? I still haven't decided on what I'm going to do but it seems that would be better than getting something like the GTX 580? I won't be playing in 3D but I would like pretty high settings at 1920x1080.

Or do you think I'd be better off starting with one for now and upgrading to two if need be in the future?
 
VGChampion said:
Opinions on going the SLI route with the GTX 560 Ti SLI? I still haven't decided on what I'm going to do but it seems that would be better than getting something like the GTX 580? I won't be playing in 3D but I would like pretty high settings at 1920x1080.

Or do you think I'd be better off starting with one for now and upgrading to two if need be in the future?


People will say don't do it and bitch about problems but I have two GTX 460's in SLI and have no problems playing most games at max settings. Some older games like Quake 3 are the ones I've had trouble with. But it takes 5 seconds to disable SLI and fix it.
 
Dammit I almost want to order more c4s just cause it'd be awesome.

I might just be bitter cause my Vertex 3 MAXIops crashes once every 2 weeks or so forcing a hard boot.
 
VGChampion said:
Opinions on going the SLI route with the GTX 560 Ti SLI? I still haven't decided on what I'm going to do but it seems that would be better than getting something like the GTX 580? I won't be playing in 3D but I would like pretty high settings at 1920x1080.

Or do you think I'd be better off starting with one for now and upgrading to two if need be in the future?

Your mileage will vary depending on your system specs but I like to use this as a reference point for choosing my potential Nvidia video card setups.

Official NVIDIA Forums Unigine Heaven Benchmark 2.1 Leaderboard

You can get 2x560ti for about 460$ US; getting about 50 fps in Heaven at extreme settings
versus
460$ US for one 580 and getting about 40 fps, but have the potential to down the line (when prices drop) pick up another 580 in SLI and get potentially up to 80 fps.

How long that wait will be before they drop I cannot say though.
 
scogoth said:
Very poor driver support for this card had 2 of them both had latency and signal issues. I would stay away and get a dlink or something.
Good call. I copied the wrong model. The guy never responded, so no telling what he decided on doing.


VGChampion said:
Opinions on going the SLI route with the GTX 560 Ti SLI? I still haven't decided on what I'm going to do but it seems that would be better than getting something like the GTX 580? I won't be playing in 3D but I would like pretty high settings at 1920x1080.

Or do you think I'd be better off starting with one for now and upgrading to two if need be in the future?
From the OP:
Intro to dual cards: SLI & Crossfire
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26715356&postcount=10527
 
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