"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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Got some Amazon credit. Was thinking about buying a new monitor. Any suggested brands/models? I've been contemplating running two monitors at once, but I really don't know anything about how to do that.
 
sn1pes said:
Just want you to know that your build inspired mine (got the white 600T). I should post pics of the completed build to add to the cable management porn we have here :)
Thanks man, please do post some pics!
 
Yes, yes you should. :P

Also, if your CPU 8 pin isnt long enough to go around the tray, you can actually route it underneath your mobo, so between mobo and the mobo tray.
 
ACE 1991 said:
So should I follow Mkenyon's advice on how to manage those cables?

Absolutely. If you have a case that has built in cable management, definitely use it.

1) Easier to manage
2) Will increase airflow
3) Looks fucking sexy
 
mkenyon said:
Yes, yes you should. :P

Also, if your CPU 8 pin isnt long enough to go around the tray, you can actually route it underneath your mobo, so between mobo and the mobo tray.
or get a cpu extension if your lazy.
 
ACE 1991 said:
Alright, I'll give this a shot. *grumble grumble, I just want to play games :P*
I know man, but it'll save you hassles in the future, especially how often you have to open it up and clean it out.
 
Chinner said:
yeah 1&3 and 2&4. currently my ram is 1&2.

gonna fix that now. will there be any performance loss because of that?
Yes, because the RAM isn't operating in dual channel mode. It probably won't make a night and day difference, but it should be a little faster.

sn1pes said:
Question: I'm using an H60 to cool my CPU. I hooked the radiator and fan up to where the rear exhaust is. Should I be pushing or pulling and how do I know which is which? The direction of fans always confused me.
Corsair says the coolers should use intake fans and not exhaust, that way they get cool air from outside the case and not warm air from inside it. I've seen that debated, if you have your airflow set up for it you could probably get the same performance with exhaust, but in general I'd say Corsair is right. Most people aren't going to put much effort into their airflow, they'll just take what they get or maybe throw a front fan or two in.

Not sure how to describe orientation. The side of the fan where the blades are concave is the side where the air will come out. I guess that makes sense. And I think most fans have the visible wires on the exhaust side and not the intake side, but I don't know if that's something to go by.
 
chaosblade said:
Yes, because the RAM isn't operating in dual channel mode. It probably won't make a night and day difference, but it should be a little faster.


Corsair says the coolers should use intake fans and not exhaust, that way they get cool air from outside the case and not warm air from inside it. I've seen that debated, if you have your airflow set up for it you could probably get the same performance with exhaust, but in general I'd say Corsair is right. Most people aren't going to put much effort into their airflow, they'll just take what they get or maybe throw a front fan or two in.

Not sure how to describe orientation. The side of the fan where the blades are concave is the side where the air will come out. I guess that makes sense. And I think most fans have the visible wires on the exhaust side and not the intake side, but I don't know if that's something to go by.

Thanks for the response. According to this installation video, looks like they use the fan as intake at the rear of the case. This is the opposite of what I have now, so maybe I'll switch it tonight.
 
Even my my $35 dollar Gamma has good airflow because of the cable management

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The 570 Idles at 38C and never goes above 48C under load.

I think thats pretty damn impressive hearing how folks are going up in the 70s with reference cards.
 
where do you guys feel the sweet spot is for price vs performance on the nVidia cards? I can't decide between the gtx 560 Ti and the 570. The 580 looks to be priced considerably higher for a smaller performance gain, so I think that's too much. Is the extra roughly $100 worth it for the 570?
 
ACE 1991 said:
So I'm stress testing before getting into OCing my CPU. Do I just hit test and let prime95 do it's thing?
If stock, you can just run Prime95 with small FFT for about 10 min to see your max voltage and temp.
 
What's the difference between "regular" RAM memory and those weirdly shaped Ripjaw things? Same speed, same size, same voltage, same everything, difference is only the price.
 
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Intel: new graphics drivers will make your games run 40% faster
It was called the Intel Tweet Up and the idea behind it was that each presentation would only take two minutes.
But what caught this writer’s attention was the outrageous claim by Intel’s Anna Cheng that a new set of graphics drivers will boost the video performance of their chips by 40%.

We were shown two identical laptops. Both were displaying Tom Clancy’s HAWX 2 on medium visual settings. Yes, it’s not Crysis 2 or something similarly demanding, but stock Intel GPU owners will testify that running any modern game on such a device is a pain. The one on the right was using the old set of graphics drivers, and stuttering quite a bit. The one on the left was running smoothly.

When the benchmark ended, we were presented with numbers. 15 frame per second maximum on the right laptop, and 79 on the left. The difference was due to new software, which very soon you will be able to download for free.

Among other games optimized for HD chips we spotted Dragon Age 2, Star Craft 2 and Assassin’s Creed. Not too shabby.
 
jett said:
What's the difference between "regular" RAM memory and those weirdly shaped Ripjaw things? Same speed, same size, same voltage, same everything, difference is only the price.
Those shaped things are call heat spreader. Generally, more surface area leads to faster heat being dissipated. Thus, those ram should run cooler and be able to run at higher speeds. If you are running at high speeds or overclocking, it doesn't really make much of a difference.
 
jett said:
What's the difference between "regular" RAM memory and those weirdly shaped Ripjaw things? Same speed, same size, same voltage, same everything, difference is only the price.
The heatsinks, which don't really do anything. It's a holdover from the days of DDR2 when it ran really hot. Unless there is actual copper on the RAM (such as the Patriot Viper), then it really isn't doing anything.

Also, Sandybridge OC'ing is really different from the old days. Before, you had to OC your Bus as well as the multiplier, you had to have really nice RAM to be able to stand the big Bus bump, as that increases the speed of your ram. Hell, on my AMD 975, I'm running 1.65-.67 volts on my RAM to hold my 4.2 OC. So, that need for quality RAM doesn't really exist with Sandybridge.
 
Anyone know how long of a GPU can fit in an Antec Nine Hundred Two? I feel like the Hard Drive/Fan enclosures don't allow of an actual high end GPU, I'm a little scared now...

EDIT: Never mind, found out, I'm a-okay.
 
knitoe said:
Those shaped things are call heat spreader. Generally, more surface area leads to faster heat being dissipated. Thus, those ram should run cooler and be able to run at higher speeds. If you are running at high speeds or overclocking, it doesn't really make much of a difference.

RAMsinks actually tend to impede cooling performance on many cheaper sets. They're mainly for looks.

Not many people are going to bother with overclocking their RAM anyways. It's not worth the hassle or cost.
 
ACE 1991 said:
Man, this CPU overclocking business sure seems like some complicated shit. I guess I just need to man up and put the time in.
With Sandybridge it's actually cakewalk. Increase multiplier, set BUS to 100, increase voltage. Test, scale back voltage slowly until you get instability. Then, put it back up to the previous stable point. DONE.

You can do it man, feel free to ask any questions if you have any.
iamvin22 said:
Just got the green light and about to slap down $1200. Whats cpu and gpu should i go for? Will be primary gaming machine. Thanks GAF <3 u

Also i really want to go 12-16GB ram does this deal sound good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233143
Check out the OP, it'll answer your questions. You don't need that much RAM unless you're running a ton of virtual machines.
 
When reinstalling/formating w7, I sure as heck hope I can reuse my product key, or do they expect me to buy a new copy each time I reinstall :I?
 
Corky said:
When reinstalling/formating w7, I sure as heck hope I can reuse my product key, or do they expect me to buy a new copy each time I reinstall :I?

It's reusable. If you get into a habit of formatting and reinstalling, Windows Activation might pester you to call the automated system to validate (takes 5-10 minutes).

As long as your copy is only installed on 1 (or however many your license allows) machine at a time, you're fine.
 
On second thought, which type of monitor should I be looking at for gaming? I hear IPS panels have slow response time, but my TN panel has horrible black levels. Would a VA monitor be a good fit? I want something to game on, and have a 20" TN panel as a second monitor.
 
sn1pes said:
It's reusable. If you get into a habit of formatting and reinstalling, Windows Activation might pester you to call the automated system to validate (takes 5-10 minutes).

As long as your copy is only installed on 1 (or however many your license allows) machine at a time, you're fine.

good to hear. I'm trying to rectify the biggest mistake I made going from my 2010 rig to my 2011 rig : Not buying an SSD again. I was on a cutthroat budget so I settled with an F3 HDD, it was quite a lot slower than my vertex 2 E >_<.

edit : btw, it was a good idea to leave my w7 install on my mechanical harddrive alone right? I.e good to have a backup OS if somehow my potential SSD dies? Or will they conflict somehow?

Also which would be the best OS drive?

Corsair SSD Force Series™ GT 90GB
Crucial m4 SSD 2,5" 128GB

The crucial costs slightly more.
 
Mutagenic said:
On second thought, which type of monitor should I be looking at for gaming? I hear IPS panels have slow response time, but my TN panel has horrible black levels. Would a VA monitor be a good fit? I want something to game on, and have a 20" TN panel as a second monitor.

Pixel response isn't really much of a bottleneck with LCD screens these days, 120hz monitors are the only sets that are going to give noticeably better motion resolution.

VA panels have the best black levels and IPS panels generally have the best colour reproduction, avoid TN panels like the plague. If you can accommodate it, buying a cheap 26"-32" 1080p HDTV with 1:1 pixel mapping and low levels of input lag is what I'd tend to recommend for something that's primarily for gaming.
 
brain_stew said:
Pixel response isn't really much of a bottleneck with LCD screens these days, 120hz monitors are the only sets that are going to give noticeably better motion resolution.

VA panels have the best black levels and IPS panels generally have the best colour reproduction, avoid TN panels like the plague. If you can accommodate it, buying a cheap 26"-32" 1080p HDTV with 1:1 pixel mapping and low levels of input lag is what I'd tend to recommend for something that's primarily for gaming.
When I get heavily involved in a game, I hook my computer up to my Kuro 50". But I wanted a 20" to match my current monitor for my desk. Does Fry's even carry a good model to purchase? I see on their website they differentiate between LCD and LED. I'm guessing LED is the new hotness.

Something like this any good? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+23%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LED+Monitor/1375082.p?id=1218254504494&skuId=1375082
 
Mutagenic said:
When I get heavily involved in a game, I hook my computer up to my Kuro 50". But I wanted a 20" to match my current monitor for my desk. Does Fry's even carry a good model to purchase? I see on their website they differentiate between LCD and LED. I'm guessing LED is the new hotness.
In most cases, LED is simply a light source. Don't be mislead by all the marketing which makes it seem like a revolutionary display tech. Seems a number of companies are trying to align LED as a light source, with the increasing popularity of OLED displays.

Local-dimming LED models continue to improve, though they still have their share of issues. Edge-lit LED, which you'll find in the majority of LED-based monitors and TVs, has even more problems. Not every model using it is particularly problematic, but, in part because it's cheaper, and used most often on less expensive displays, you come across issues like light bleed.

If you can, see if Fry's, or any other b&m, will allow you to view the display you're interested in in different settings (not environmental). Some stores will even allow you to use your own source material to do some testing.


Mutagenic said:
That's a TN. Seems to be one of the more popular models in that price range. Just take a look at one in person and see if the reservations that people have with TNs and low end LED applications would also bother you.
 
·feist· said:
In most cases, LED is simply a light source. Don't be mislead by all the marketing which makes it seem like a revolutionary display tech. Seems a number of companies are trying to align LED as a light source, with the increasing popularity of OLED displays.

Local-dimming LED models continue to improve, though they still have their share of issues. Edge-lit LED, which you'll find in the majority of LED-based monitors and TVs, has even more problems. Not every model using it is particularly problematic, but, in part because it's cheaper, and used most often on less expensive displays, you come across issues like light bleed.

If you can, see if Fry's, or any other b&m, will allow you to view the display you're interested in in different settings (not environmental). Some stores will even allow you to use your own source material to do some testing.


That's a TN. Seems to be one of the more popular models in that price range. Just take a look at one in person and see if the reservations that people have with TNs and low end LED applications would also bother you.
Thanks, I probably would notice. Can you or someone else recommend a specific model number of a good monitor (any type) in the 20"-23" range?

Also, sorry but one more quick question: Best PC speaker setup to get around $300? I was looking at the Bose Companion 5's ($400), Klipsch ProMedia 2.1, Audioengine 2, Logitech z2300...
 
I got a chance to see one of these in person at PDXLAN. I've been obsessed with it ever since, but just cant stomach the price. If only I had a spare couple grand.
 
brain_stew said:
Pixel response isn't really much of a bottleneck with LCD screens these days, 120hz monitors are the only sets that are going to give noticeably better motion resolution.

VA panels have the best black levels and IPS panels generally have the best colour reproduction, avoid TN panels like the plague. If you can accommodate it, buying a cheap 26"-32" 1080p HDTV with 1:1 pixel mapping and low levels of input lag is what I'd tend to recommend for something that's primarily for gaming.
Nice to see you haven't quit GAF for good. I hope your job satisfy you.

Me, I am busy rendering CG with my new GPUs.
 
Mutagenic said:
Thanks, I probably would notice. Can you or someone else recommend a specific model number of a good monitor (any type) in the 20"-23" range?
Dell's U2311 is one of the better choices. There's also supposed to be a newer 2312, like the LED-backed 2412M. The 2311, and LG IPS231P-BN are two of the least expensive 23" IPS monitors you'll find. Depending on your budget, preferences, and when you're looking to buy, LG has a new IPS model coming up in the E91/E2391VR.

LG E2391VR, world's slimmest monitor, at IFA 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8TnSmKJ2k



http://lcd.zol.com.cn/239/2397350.html
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/02/lg-e2391vr-worlds-slimmest-monitor-pictures-video-specs-ifa-2011/
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/...oduct_code=39&product_type=39&post_index=1360

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mkenyon said:
I got a chance to see one of these in person at PDXLAN. I've been obsessed with it ever since, but just cant stomach the price. If only I had a spare couple grand.
If it's anything like the larger Samsung SyncMaster SA950 27", I dunno. I've heard some good things about the 27", and it looks nice, but, well... It's obviously nice as a gaming focused monitor. Between the two, though, I'd skip out on the 23" model's tuner, and get the 27" since they're not that far apart in pricing.

Keeping my eye on the Samsung SyncMaster SA850 27". Matte, and it's the first consumer monitor using this panel type.
 
Hm, Heaven 2.5 opens up in a windowed widescreen black frame that does nothing in particular. I have no idea what's going on. Tried reinstalling, no difference.
 
Freyjadour said:
Hm, Heaven 2.5 opens up in a windowed widescreen black frame that does nothing in particular. I have no idea what's going on. Tried reinstalling, no difference.
Thats very odd.

Are you sure that everything is deleted before reinstalling?

What are your specs?
 
Okay I'm in desperate need of help. I for the life of me could not figure out what was wrong with my computer, turns out I had the power cables for the CPU backwards...yeah, I know. Anyways, took it to a repair shop and they "fixed" it for me, with ample well-deserved jokes at my expense. Got into the BIOS no problem in their shop (although without disc drive/HDD) and everything was hunky dorey.

Came home to install windows, hooked up the dvd burner and hard drive, plugged monitor, keyboard, mouse in, boot it up. Boots up, but as the delightful MSI screen comes up on my monitor, I hear 2 short beeps and a long. According to the interwebs that means VRAM has failed? ...but I haven't changed anything except the drives since I got it back to my place. Halp?
 
^^

I have never had a video card fail on me.

Is that something that happens once in a blue moon or did I just get lucky?

Also, I wish that Heaven benchmark came with a 8xSGSAA benchmark just to make me bask in the sun.
 
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