"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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what do you guys think of the Cooler Master Storm Scout?

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seems decent. PC is now making a high pitched noise as i said, and while i think it might be the case fan, id say its time to change the whole case considering i now have a relatively high-end PC on a cheap ass generic one. I definetly need better air flow and this thing is becoming just too cluttersome.

Open for recommendations nearing the same price-range. Any particular brand i should be looking at if im looking for cool and silent?
 
I have MSI 790FX-GD70 with the latest BIOS and I can't change my volts. They are greyed out and all are "AUTO". Anyone know how to fix this? I googled the problem but can't find a solution.
 
SalsaShark said:
what do you guys think of the Cooler Master Storm Scout?

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seems decent. PC is now making a high pitched noise as i said, and while i think it might be the case fan, id say its time to change the whole case considering i now have a relatively high-end PC on a cheap ass generic one. I definetly need better air flow and this thing is becoming just too cluttersome.

Open for recommendations nearing the same price-range. Any particular brand i should be looking at if im looking for cool and silent?

It looks like an Antec 900/1200 but with a handle. I like that it's all black and that the optical/hdd drive bays seem like they're tool-free installation.
 
snack said:
I have MSI 790FX-GD70 with the latest BIOS and I can't change my volts. They are greyed out and all are "AUTO". Anyone know how to fix this? I googled the problem but can't find a solution.
Fixed it.
 
SalsaShark said:
what do you guys think of the Cooler Master Storm Scout?

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/upload/product/2912/intro01.jpg

http://www.dvhardware.net/news/cooler_master_storm_scout_2.jpg

http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationalevents/cebit2009/PM/Tuesday/cooler-master-storm-scout-big.jpg


seems decent. PC is now making a high pitched noise as i said, and while i think it might be the case fan, id say its time to change the whole case considering i now have a relatively high-end PC on a cheap ass generic one. I definetly need better air flow and this thing is becoming just too cluttersome.

Open for recommendations nearing the same price-range. Any particular brand i should be looking at if im looking for cool and silent?
Might have it mistaken for a different case, but I'm not sure if that will hold longer video cards. You would have to mod the case to fit a 6900 series or 580 in there.

Forgot to edit out image tags.
 
SalsaShark said:
what do you guys think of the Cooler Master Storm Scout?

intro01.jpg


Open for recommendations nearing the same price-range. Any particular brand i should be looking at if im looking for cool and silent?

I find this coolermaster aesthetically unpleasing, but that is just preference. IMO, go with a Lian-Li something like this perhaps:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002KE078Y/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Fair warning though it is a very large case. Stays cool and is fairly quiet.
 
What's the difference between the twin frozr in the OP and this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130621

Looks like it's the same thing but cheaper.
 
What if I wanted to do a watercooled setup? Like one for a i5 2500 and watercool a 570?

I think that's what my next pc will be, and if I make one I want the whole thing watercooled so it's not so noisy. I was looking up noise levels and the 4890 is roughly as loud or quieter than most high end cards like the 570 or 580 and I want to hear at least half that.
 
Okey, someone here made my doubt my choice of a GTX 560 Ti a couple of pages ago by bringing up the HD 6950 2gb.

Can anyone give me an outcome on this?

The 6950 2gb is about 10 euros more expensive back where I'm from.
 
I've actually never messed with water cooling, so I'm not really qualified to offer any suggestions on cooling equipment or cases. I'm sure somebody on GAF has some experience, but it doesn't come up too often here.

Ryan_ said:
Okey, someone here made my doubt my choice of a GTX 560 Ti a couple of pages ago by bringing up the HD 6950 2gb.

Can anyone give me an outcome on this?

The 6950 2gb is about 10 euros more expensive back where I'm from.
Brand preference, basically. 6950 is slightly better. If it's an original 6950 you might be able to unlock it into a 6970, which would be a nice free performance boost.
 
Ryan_ said:
Okey, someone here made my doubt my choice of a GTX 560 Ti a couple of pages ago by bringing up the HD 6950 2gb.

Can anyone give me an outcome on this?

The 6950 2gb is about 10 euros more expensive back where I'm from.
It's a mixed bag really. There are pros and cons for both. IF tesselation becomes widely adopted, the 560 is more future proof since Nvidia has invested heavily in tesselation performance. On the other hand, if textures just continue to get larger and larger, the 2GB of memory in that card may be a big difference. With RAGE coming out with megatextures and BF3 hitting almost 1GB of video RAM usage, it's hard to say for sure. I personally have the 6950 myself, as I don't think tesselation is going to be a big thing for a while.
 
CarbonatedFalcon said:
Thanks for finally addressing sound cards guys! It's probably something that should be mentioned in the OP. I'll probably pass on one at build time to save some money (when your intended PC build is ~$1000-$1200 and you're trying to stay in budget every bit helps!) and grab one down the line when I have some spare cash, maybe during the holidays, especially if there is a sale.

Was probably looking at HT|Omega Striker or this Creative one. Would definitely be staying under $100 when the time comes, though if the difference between a $30 card and a $75 card is insignificant, I would pocket the extra cash and go with a cheaper one.
Haha, I am in the same boat as you are :D First I wanted to go price/performance but it now all depends on the money I get from the job. If it is what I hope it to be then I will probably buy all the good stuff (still with moderation in mind if that makes sense).
 
luffeN said:
Haha, I am in the same boat as you are :D First I wanted to go price/performance but it now all depends on the money I get from the job. If it is what I hope it to be then I will probably buy all the good stuff (still with moderation in mind if that makes sense).
Nowadays, unless you have an extremely good set of headphones/speakers, the onboard sound that comes with most motherboards is really quite ample to handle the job. You'd be doing a huge disservice to get a separate sound card but pair it up with logitech speakers, for example.
 
I am getting sick of C Drive getting full so fast. It's a 120 GB SSD from Corsair I think.
But I have another one... Will I see any performance loss if I Raid them together, to make a 240 GB SSD as my C drive?
And how do I do it. I have never Raid anything in my life.
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
I am getting sick of C Drive getting full so fast. It's a 120 GB SSD from Corsair I think.
But I have another one... Will I see any performance loss if I Raid them together, to make a 240 GB SSD as my C drive?
And how do I do it. I have never Raid anything in my life.
Umm I think you're confused about what RAID is. If you RAID 2 HDD's, you don't get any more space. RAID is for data security so if one HDD goes down, the other one won't likely go down at the same time so you don't lose everything on your computer. Basically, the 2 drives become clones of each other. If you want more space, then don't RAID them at all. Also, it's advisable to only keep your OS on your SSD and some programs that don't change much, but then buy another HDD that is just a regular magnetic HDD for storage. You can get pretty cheap 1TB or 2TB 7200RPM drives nowadays that do the job well.
 
Gvaz said:
What would you suggest for a water setup for gpu and CPU?

get a nice Noctua heatsink for the cpu and a card with either good custom cooling (Asus DCII, MSI Twin Frozr and alike) or with an aftermarket Accelero Xtreme Plus

compared to water that would be easily half as silent as your current setup as well, much easier to install and way cheaper
 
Ulchie said:
Umm I think you're confused about what RAID is. If you RAID 2 HDD's, you don't get any more space. RAID is for data security so if one HDD goes down, the other one won't likely go down at the same time so you don't lose everything on your computer. Basically, the 2 drives become clones of each other. If you want more space, then don't RAID them at all. Also, it's advisable to only keep your OS on your SSD and some programs that don't change much, but then buy another HDD that is just a regular magnetic HDD for storage. You can get pretty cheap 1TB or 2TB 7200RPM drives nowadays that do the job well.
There are multiple types of RAID. RAID1 is what you're referring to. He could use RAID0 and the PC would see the two drives as a single 240GB drive.

And you shouldn't see much, if any, performance loss with RAID. You should actually see gains.

But I agree, there's not much reason to have any more than Windows and a handful of programs on your SSD. Most of your software and all of your documents and media should be on a HDD.
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
I am getting sick of C Drive getting full so fast. It's a 120 GB SSD from Corsair I think.
But I have another one... Will I see any performance loss if I Raid them together, to make a 240 GB SSD as my C drive?
And how do I do it. I have never Raid anything in my life.

Most people get a large HDD and use the SSD as a drive for your most used programs, OS, and some games.
 
chaosblade said:
There are multiple types of RAID. RAID1 is what you're referring to. He could use RAID0 and the PC would see the two drives as a single 240GB drive.

And you shouldn't see much, if any, performance loss with RAID. You should actually see gains.

But I agree, there's not much reason to have any more than Windows and a handful of programs on your SSD. Most of your software and all of your documents and media should be on a HDD.
Fair enough. My bad. I've always liked having separate drives so I could designate each drive as a certain type of content for organization purposes so I've never tried to merge drives like that. The rest of my advice still stands though. This guy shouldn't be using SSD's as his primary storage.
 
Alright, I just took advantage of the Fry's deal, making the i5 2500K the first PC part I've ever bought. CPUs need a certain power-source and motherboard in order to work correctly, right? So, should I go with what you guys have listed in the $1000 build in the OP for those parts (as you can tell, I am quite clueless about this type of stuff)?


Also, I think I may go ahead and get this monitor that's on sale that was mentioned earlier, unless someone would advise against it.

I think I might get a cheaper video card than one listed in the $1000 build, as $360 dollars for a video card sounds a little unreasonable, and because GPUs are apparently easy to upgrade...But I still want something that'll last me a while. What do y'all suggest?
 
n0n44m said:
get a nice Noctua heatsink for the cpu and a card with either good custom cooling (Asus DCII, MSI Twin Frozr and alike) or with an aftermarket Accelero Xtreme Plus

compared to water that would be easily half as silent as your current setup as well, much easier to install and way cheaper
I already have one of these though (im pretty certain it works on intel as well)

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And that's pretty quiet I think and keeps my cpu pretty cold I think...

That Accelero Xtreme Plus is expensive and the size worries me, but some of the people's results on newegg for temperatures is nuts
 
Gvaz said:
I already have one of these though (im pretty certain it works on intel as well)

[.IMG]http://www.acousticpc.com/images/a_zalman_cnps7500cu_cpu_cooler2.jpg[/IMG]

And that's pretty quiet I think and keeps my cpu pretty cold I think...

That Accelero Xtreme Plus is expensive and the size worries me, but some of the people's results on newegg for temperatures is nuts

yeah it says on Newegg it fits 775/1155/1156 sockets, but I'd double check yours because they've been sold since 2007 and I wouldn't be surprised if there have been revisions since then (775 and 1156 are different sockets, 1155 is the newer Sandy Brige socket which is physically compatible with 1156, so make sure your cooler has a 1156 backplate)

if the Accelero Xtreme Plus worries you then don't even think about watercooling =] and the price is only half of just a gpu waterblock, let alone the rest of the setup
 
Re: waterblocks for GPUs, you can't exactly re-use them with different GPUs as they're not all or always universal right? That's one of the things that put me off about doing a full WC because it just gets more expensive with GPU upgrades.

Gvaz, what GPU do you have again? There's always the Thermalright Shaman (if its compatible with your GPU)

edit - nm, the Shaman is bigger
 
RS4- said:
Re: waterblocks for GPUs, you can't exactly re-use them with different GPUs as they're not all or always universal right? That's one of the things that put me off about doing a full WC because it just gets more expensive with GPU upgrades.

Gvaz, what GPU do you have again? There's always the Thermalright Shaman (if its compatible with your GPU)

no not the full-cover ones ... those are made for a single card so all you can do is sell them (or just keep them because they look so awesome <3 ) so expect to pay an extra €80 for every graphic card you buy (they are made of massive chunks of copper so they're quite pricey)

there are universal blocks as well, which perform pretty good but don't cool any of the VRMs. IMHO therefore only interesting for simple cards (GTX560ish) that don't need too much power, for high end cards you'll really want watercooled VRM components as well

again, water is a lot of fun but expensive and needs a lot of tweaking and maintenance, so I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who has to ask about it basically. It's just something for the real hardware enthusiasts

I had a silent air cooled (Mugen 2, Accelero Xtreme Plus) rig before and that also cooled very well and only cost a fraction of my current setup =]
 
Well I was asking because I wanted a pc setup that didn't sound like a wind tunnel half hte time. My case has an 80 fan on top, a 120 in back, a 120 on the cpu, and a 80 or whatever on my 4890. When I upgrade I was figuring I'd get rid of all that and just have the whole thing or half of it watercooled. I was hoping for less than 30 decibels total, you know, like quiet as a laptop.
 
Gvaz said:
Well I was asking because I wanted a pc setup that didn't sound like a wind tunnel half hte time. My case has an 80 fan on top, a 120 in back, a 120 on the cpu, and a 80 or whatever on my 4890. When I upgrade I was figuring I'd get rid of all that and just have the whole thing or half of it watercooled. I was hoping for less than 30 decibels total, you know, like quiet as a laptop.

that would just cost a load of money :p

get a Fractal Design R3 case, maybe an extra fan or two (in the same RPM range as the default ones)
your current CPU cooler or ideally something more up-to-date with a PWM fan so it can be speed controlled by your motherboard (CM212?)
good GPU cooler like we talked about

Optionally a fancontroller, so you can run casefans at 100% (audible but not noisy) during gaming when there is hot air from the gpu, and at 50% (silent) during normal use

bet that would be way more silent then your current setup
 
Whats the best bang-for-buck 24" monitor in the USA right now?

I'm moving there next month, and will sadly be leaving my ViewSonic VX2433wm behind - considering I was just using my laptops 15" screen before, it was a huge upgrade!
 
BakugekiNZ said:
Whats the best bang-for-buck 24" monitor in the USA right now?

I'm moving there next month, and will sadly be leaving my ViewSonic VX2433wm behind - considering I was just using my laptops 15" screen before, it was a huge upgrade!

Asus VH242H (TN LCD) or the VE247 (LED); there's also the LG W2442PA. Those are some of the best ones under $200 or so.

Gvaz said:
Well I was asking because I wanted a pc setup that didn't sound like a wind tunnel half hte time. My case has an 80 fan on top, a 120 in back, a 120 on the cpu, and a 80 or whatever on my 4890. When I upgrade I was figuring I'd get rid of all that and just have the whole thing or half of it watercooled. I was hoping for less than 30 decibels total, you know, like quiet as a laptop.

To add with n0n said, you could also add sound dampening foam too if you'd like.
 
pirata said:
Alright, I just took advantage of the Fry's deal, making the i5 2500K the first PC part I've ever bought. CPUs need a certain power-source and motherboard in order to work correctly, right? So, should I go with what you guys have listed in the $1000 build in the OP for those parts (as you can tell, I am quite clueless about this type of stuff)?


Also, I think I may go ahead and get this monitor that's on sale that was mentioned earlier, unless someone would advise against it.

I think I might get a cheaper video card than one listed in the $1000 build, as $360 dollars for a video card sounds a little unreasonable, and because GPUs are apparently easy to upgrade...But I still want something that'll last me a while. What do y'all suggest?


Sorry, I'm completely clueless about this stuff and the monitor deal expires pretty soon.
 
Gvaz said:
I already have one of these though (im pretty certain it works on intel as well)

a_zalman_cnps7500cu_cpu_cooler2.jpg


And that's pretty quiet I think and keeps my cpu pretty cold I think...

That Accelero Xtreme Plus is expensive and the size worries me, but some of the people's results on newegg for temperatures is nuts

I can second that, I had that cooler on a PC two years ago. It was great, quiet and kept the CPU very cool. It's very compact too, which is great for smaller cases, which is where I had it.
 
Ryan_ said:
Okey, someone here made my doubt my choice of a GTX 560 Ti a couple of pages ago by bringing up the HD 6950 2gb.

Can anyone give me an outcome on this?

The 6950 2gb is about 10 euros more expensive back where I'm from.

Stock 6950 is slightly more powerful but they're both essentially equal unless pricing is significantly different where you're ordering from.
 
So I've been out of the loop when it comes to CPU's for a while now, what's the current state of things with Intel?

What would be my best option with my Gigabyte EP41-UD3L, socket is 775.

Quad or a fancy dual?
 
Coldsnap said:
I need to cool down my video card in my R3... should i throw a fan on the side vent?

yeah side vent is probably best place

put it intake for fresh air if you have a stock cooler that releases hot air out the back
or put it outtake for the hot air if you have an aftermarket cooler that release hot air in the case

you can also put a fan in the bottom and a second in the front ... I don't like bottom fans myself as they mainly suck up lots of dust, second in the front could help as well though
 
n0n44m said:
yeah side vent is probably best place

put it intake for fresh air if you have a stock cooler that releases hot air out the back
or put it outtake for the hot air if you have an aftermarket cooler that release hot air in the case

you can also put a fan in the bottom and a second in the front ... I don't like bottom fans myself as they mainly suck up lots of dust, second in the front could help as well though

Cool thanks. Starting next month my project is going to be getting my fan cooling perfect in my computer. My main problem is my GPU because nothing is overclocked in my rig so my CPU run really really cold. Right now I have the two R3 stock 1350rpm fans; one front and one back, a scythe 500rpm fan on the bottom, and a scythe 700rpm fan on my cpu. I'm just trying to figure out my best plan of attack. I sorta want to replace the stock fans with a 700 rpm scythe and buy some more scythes for side and top vents.
 
My hyper 212+ is blocking my first and second slots on the MSI 790FX-GD70 mobo. If I install my new ram on slots three and four, does that take away the dual-channel capabilities?
 
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