"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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NIN90 said:
Well it's an OEM PC but I got it through a promo from a local PC gaming magazine so it was actually made with future updates in mind.
A bigger cooler should fit no problem from what I can see plus I keep the case side panel off.
212+ is about 16cm tall. If you're sure that will fit it would be a nice upgrade over the stock cooler. I also wouldn't recommend keeping the side panel off in most situations. Maybe if you only have a rear exhaust fan and no other case fans.

Without seeing the case or knowing what type it is, you might want to be ready to get something low profile. I don't know which of those are worth recommending though.

And keeping the current cooler and just replacing the thermal paste and reseating it might take care of the problem, again, assuming your fan works. If the temps just recently started getting bad the fan might be dead, dying, or the bearings are going bad.
 
Sigh I hate how my rig has painted me into a fudging corner...

I really want to buy the dell u2711 and play my ass some 2560x1440 vidjagaems, but I've realized my 560 Tis shoddy 1gb vram aren't up for it.

So here's are all my useless options.

a) Buy the monitor anyway, play games in 5 fps
b) Buy better gpus, can't afford new monitor = total useless sidegrade
c) Wait until new line of nvidia gpus hit, might have to wait for some time, current pc loses more value.
d) Wait until 1440p/1600p becomes the high-res standard like todays 1080p and buy one at a decent price, realize it's not going to happen for the next couple of years.
e) None of the above


:[
 
I'm in a similar dilemma. I'm currently saving up for a rig upgrade and I have almost all the cash I need now.

Then I see a local ad where you can trade any working monitor for a 50% discount on 25" or 28" LCD monitors. It's so good but I just bought my 20" 1600x900 LCD last year.

Doesn't help that I've already decided that this'll be my last desktop upgrade since I'll need to switch to a gaming laptop once I work abroad in the future.
 
Corky said:
Sigh I hate how my rig has painted me into a fudging corner...

I really want to buy the dell u2711 and play my ass some 2560x1440 vidjagaems, but I've realized my 560 Tis shoddy 1gb vram aren't up for it.

So here's are all my useless options.

a) Buy the monitor anyway, play games in 5 fps
b) Buy better gpus, can't afford new monitor = total useless sidegrade
c) Wait until new line of nvidia gpus hit, might have to wait for some time, current pc loses more value.
d) Wait until 1440p/1600p becomes the high-res standard like todays 1080p and buy one at a decent price, realize it's not going to happen for the next couple of years.
e) None of the above


:[

Buy the monitor anyway because SLI 560s will be more than enough for one screen at that res. You probably won't get 60fps with SGSSAA anymore though.
 
Corky said:
Sigh I hate how my rig has painted me into a fudging corner...

I really want to buy the dell u2711 and play my ass some 2560x1440 vidjagaems, but I've realized my 560 Tis shoddy 1gb vram aren't up for it.

So here's are all my useless options.

a) Buy the monitor anyway, play games in 5 fps
b) Buy better gpus, can't afford new monitor = total useless sidegrade
c) Wait until new line of nvidia gpus hit, might have to wait for some time, current pc loses more value.
d) Wait until 1440p/1600p becomes the high-res standard like todays 1080p and buy one at a decent price, realize it's not going to happen for the next couple of years.
e) None of the above


:[

I've also got my eye on the U2711. It's $900 but it'd be great to be able to edit 1080p footage and still have some screen real estate left over. The thing is, to maintain acceptable framerates I'd need to also purchase a second 570, meaning a total expenditure of ~$1200.

So, yeah, I'm in a very similar boat.
 
Hey guys,

Just built my new PC last week and pretty happy with it - for the most part. I just have one small issue with what I think is the graphics card, or possibly the monitor.

I'm rocking an i5 2500k with 8gb of ram and a Gainward GTX 560 Ti Golden Sample on Windows 7. Monitor is a 21.5" ASUS LCD. The trouble is with some games (never on the desktop), I am seeing some pulsating horizontal lines that don't move. With Portal, Dawn of War II, it doesn't do it, but with games such as Far Cry 2 and Batman: AA it does. For example, if I'm in a dark room in FC2 looking at a wall, there are a couple of faint lines around the middle of the screen that throb and it looks as if the colours are duller in the space of these lines. When I turn v-sync off these lines actually move up the screen, but a couple stay and do the above when it's on. Apologies if that's a bit difficult to understand, it's hard to describe!

Temperatures seem fine on the GFX card, not really going much beyond 50c. Don't seem to be any major frame rate issues. Far Cry 2 runs pretty close to max. Tried quite a few things bar removing and putting back in the graphics card.

Thanks for any help guys, it's not a huge issue, but enough to annoy me!
 
Rezbit said:
Hey guys,

Just built my new PC last week and pretty happy with it - for the most part. I just have one small issue with what I think is the graphics card, or possibly the monitor.

I'm rocking an i5 2500k with 8gb of ram and a Gainward GTX 560 Ti Golden Sample on Windows 7. Monitor is a 21.5" ASUS LCD. The trouble is with some games (never on the desktop), I am seeing some pulsating horizontal lines that don't move. With Portal, Dawn of War II, it doesn't do it, but with games such as Far Cry 2 and Batman: AA it does. For example, if I'm in a dark room in FC2 looking at a wall, there are a couple of faint lines around the middle of the screen that throb and it looks as if the colours are duller in the space of these lines. When I turn v-sync off these lines actually move up the screen, but a couple stay and do the above when it's on. Apologies if that's a bit difficult to understand, it's hard to describe!

Temperatures seem fine on the GFX card, not really going much beyond 50c. Don't seem to be any major frame rate issues. Far Cry 2 runs pretty close to max. Tried quite a few things bar removing and putting back in the graphics card.

Thanks for any help guys, it's not a huge issue, but enough to annoy me!
Have you tried another monitor?
 
Kyaw said:
Buy the monitor anyway because SLI 560s will be more than enough for one screen at that res. You probably won't get 60fps with SGSSAA anymore though.

Well I wouldn't dare of running modern games max at that res with sgssaa while expecting 60 fps xD. But benchmarks show that even regular puny good ol 4x aa can bring them to their knees and well below 60 fps in certain games.


JaseC said:
I've also got my eye on the U2711. It's $900 but it'd be great to be able to edit 1080p footage and still have some screen real estate left over. The thing is, to maintain acceptable framerates I'd need to also purchase a second 570, meaning a total expenditure of ~$1200.

So, yeah, I'm in a very similar boat.

Heck at least you're in a better spot than me, it's $1100 for the monitor alone here :(

edit : gah fuck me the prices here are wack, I'd be paying the same amount for just this monitor as people overseas pay for that 1k build in the op. Madness.
 
The need for AA is reduced anyway with monitors with very fine dot pitch like the 0.233 mm of the U2711.

For reference, my 3008WP has a dot pitch of 0.250 mm and I find it very hard to differentiate between 4xMSAA ans 8xMSAA.

SGSSAA/SSAA is another matter but then we are in definite masterclass territory - at least for new graphically intensive games.
 
I've been leaning to dual 560Ti's instead of 6950. Can someone help recommend a mobo, power supply and case for that kind of thing? Nothing too expensive, I was originally just getting one 6950, a HAF 912, a GX550W and a Gigabyte P67A-UD3. And what's the deal with this microstuttering I keep hearing about?

Man I'm too indecisive for my own good. :P
 
That I realize, but it still would be nice with some AA even if it's only 4xmsaa. Sigh, might as well wait with all of this until I have some real disposable income and can buy it all instead of either or.
 
Corky said:
Well I wouldn't dare of running modern games max at that res with sgssaa while expecting 60 fps xD. But benchmarks show that even regular puny good ol 4x aa can bring them to their knees and well below 60 fps in certain games.




Heck at least you're in a better spot than me, it's $1100 for the monitor alone here :(

edit : gah fuck me the prices here are wack, I'd be paying the same amount for just this monitor as people overseas pay for that 1k build in the op. Madness.

Get triple 120hz monitors instead. :D
And Tri-SLI 560s.
 
Is it worthwhile, considering costs, to upgrade to an i5-2500k + Z68 motherboard from an Athlon II X4 640 @ 3.6GHz + AM3 motherboard?

Over the last few weeks I have been looking at upgrading my GPU to a 6950 or some such, but I keep seeing the crazy clocks on the 2500k and I like the look of it. The rest of my system would be an easy transfer (Tp-750 PSU, 4Gb DDR3, F3 HDD).

Just wondering if its actually worth it? Much of a performance boost at 1920x1080 if there was a 6950 GPU in each instance? After selling the AM3 stuff, the upgrade would be about £160 or so.
 
Corky said:
Heck at least you're in a better spot than me, it's $1100 for the monitor alone here :(

edit : gah fuck me the prices here are wack, I'd be paying the same amount for just this monitor as people overseas pay for that 1k build in the op. Madness.

Wow, fuck that.
 
XAL said:
I popped them out and put them in again, nothing has changed.

When I hit the power, everything turns on for 3 seconds, turns off for 2, then turns back on...
I don't know if that's supposed to happen.

Disabling Internal PLL Overvoltage in BIOS solves the problem.
 
Mulligan said:
When are the next gen graphics cards releasing, is it worth holding out on my build for them?

The way it looks now it seems AMDs stuff are rolling out at the end of the year and nvidia Q1 2012.
 
iSurvivedTheOutage said:
570 and 1.2 gigs of ram......4 gigs of gskill btw

The same thing happens to me, and even though I specify " don't ask this again" it keeps asking everytime I do something that stresses my pc like a benchmark or something. Somehow I think ccleaner has a finger in this...
 
Thinking about getting a new PC so I run Battlefield 3 (would love to play it with 60fps on ultra with things like shadows and maybe aa on high/medium) and Diablo 3/Guild Wars 2/Modern Warfare 3 etc at 60 fps. Would these specs do the trick?:

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k 3,4 Ghz
Motherboard: Asus 1155 Sabertooth P67 (rev.3)
RAM: 12288MB DDR3 Kingston
Graphics: Nvdia GTX580 1536MB
Power Supply is 750 Watt
 
So set the speed of my i5 2500K to 4.2ghz, the voltage to 1.3v, and the power limit value 1 to 100 and ran Prime95... My computer blue screened after 5 minutes. What gives? I thought this was a very safe overclock. =(
 
ACE 1991 said:
So set the speed of my i5 2500K to 4.2ghz, the voltage to 1.3v, and the power limit value 1 to 100 and ran Prime95... My computer blue screened after 5 minutes. What gives? I thought this was a very safe overclock. =(

What cpu cooler you have? What are the temps You should go easily 4.2 Ghz with 1.30V

GasProblem said:
Thinking about getting a new PC so I run Battlefield 3 (would love to play it with 60fps on ultra with things like shadows and maybe aa on high/medium) and Diablo 3/Guild Wars 2/Modern Warfare 3 etc at 60 fps. Would these specs do the trick?:

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k 3,4 Ghz
Motherboard: Asus 1155 Sabertooth P67 (rev.3)
RAM: 12288MB DDR3 Kingston
Graphics: Nvdia GTX580 1536MB
Power Supply is 750 Watt


If it's purely for gaming change 2600k to 2500k and save some money. In gaming there is no advantage of having 2600k.
But yea it should run BF3 with good fps but it's not out and the specs aren't out so hard to say. Setup looks solid.
 
Corky said:
The same thing happens to me, and even though I specify " don't ask this again" it keeps asking everytime I do something that stresses my pc like a benchmark or something. Somehow I think ccleaner has a finger in this...

Exact same thing here, 570GTX with 1.3GB ram.

The most frustrating thing is that, of the three options (change, don't change, don't change and stop asking me), the don't change and stop asking me is sort of purple, indicating I've clicked it before. SO IT KNOWS I'VE CLICKED IT BEFORE!

It's not the end of the world as it only happens once per session, but when you're playing online it can be really frustrating, especially if you're, I dunno, piloting a full chopper on BC2 and you wake up with -200 points for team killing everyone.
 
Corky said:
The same thing happens to me, and even though I specify " don't ask this again" it keeps asking everytime I do something that stresses my pc like a benchmark or something. Somehow I think ccleaner has a finger in this...

Hmm...yeah it always tells me after I finish playing games...even if the games run smooth.

Kaltagesta said:
Exact same thing here, 570GTX with 1.3GB ram.

The most frustrating thing is that, of the three options (change, don't change, don't change and stop asking me), the don't change and stop asking me is sort of purple, indicating I've clicked it before. SO IT KNOWS I'VE CLICKED IT BEFORE!

It's not the end of the world as it only happens once per session, but when you're playing online it can be really frustrating, especially if you're, I dunno, piloting a full chopper on BC2 and you wake up with -200 points for team killing everyone.


I lol'd
 
GasProblem said:
Thinking about getting a new PC so I run Battlefield 3 (would love to play it with 60fps on ultra and maybe aa on high/medium) Would these specs do the trick?:

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k 3,4 Ghz
Motherboard: Asus 1155 Sabertooth P67 (rev.3)
RAM: 12288MB DDR3 Kingston
Graphics: Nvdia GTX580 1536MB
Power Supply is 750 Watt

Nope, if you want to get 60fps sustained, youre gonna need at least two or three 580's but im not really sure if you can get bf3 at 60fps with those settings.
 
MrKnives said:
What cpu cooler you have? What are the temps You should go easily 4.2 Ghz with 1.30V




If it's purely for gaming change 2600k to 2500k and save some money. In gaming there is no advantage of having 2600k.
But yea it should run BF3 with good fps but it's not out and the specs aren't out so hard to say. Setup looks solid.
I have a 212+, and my temps were around 55-62ish.
 
MrKnives said:
What cpu cooler you have? What are the temps You should go easily 4.2 Ghz with 1.30V




If it's purely for gaming change 2600k to 2500k and save some money. In gaming there is no advantage of having 2600k.
But yea it should run BF3 with good fps but it's not out and the specs aren't out so hard to say. Setup looks solid.

Alright, thanks. I know BF3 with everything on ultra is going to be something like the new Crysis, I have no intentions of running it at 60fps on ultra on a 64 man map. I know I'm going to have to put some things on medium/high.
 
Mulligan said:
When are the next gen graphics cards releasing, is it worth holding out on my build for them?

It's going to be a while but I am waiting. We've been on the same old process for a long time on the GPU market now. When the new process starts rolling on the next generations it should be a lot more significant leap forward that what we've been seeing in the past year.
 
Baller said:
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IT WORKED BEAUTIFULLY

Oh Mylanta I'm so happy! I played around a bit and decided to stick with the TV's native resolution of 1360x768, only now I can read the emails and datacards that I pick up! Yessssss. 1080p is now totally doable as well but I think I sit just a smidge too away to be able to see my ammo count in the bottom righthand corner. No big deal. To be honest I can't really notice the resolution difference from this distance, especially with FXAA set to High and all others options maxed under DX11. Amazing!

Damn, now I want to go back and replay Batman: AA with this simple setting. I knew it had to be something really dumb that I was missing. THANK YOU!

Hehe, np. I know that feeling. I had this issue for months, and the only way I could fix it was setting a custom resolution. I think it's just a glitch with Sony TVs.

XAL said:
I popped them out and put them in again, nothing has changed.

When I hit the power, everything turns on for 3 seconds, turns off for 2, then turns back on...
I don't know if that's supposed to happen.

Try changing your RAM slots. (e.g. if you're using 2 and 4, try using 1 and 3)

Corky said:
Sigh I hate how my rig has painted me into a fudging corner...

I really want to buy the dell u2711 and play my ass some 2560x1440 vidjagaems, but I've realized my 560 Tis shoddy 1gb vram aren't up for it.

So here's are all my useless options.

a) Buy the monitor anyway, play games in 5 fps
b) Buy better gpus, can't afford new monitor = total useless sidegrade
c) Wait until new line of nvidia gpus hit, might have to wait for some time, current pc loses more value.
d) Wait until 1440p/1600p becomes the high-res standard like todays 1080p and buy one at a decent price, realize it's not going to happen for the next couple of years.
e) None of the above


:[

This is why I got a 32" HDTV. Great picture quality, and 1080p is a much easier resolution to run than 1440p/1600p.

Kyaw said:
Buy the monitor anyway because SLI 560s will be more than enough for one screen at that res. You probably won't get 60fps with SGSSAA anymore though.

He's going to be extremely VRAM starved at that resolution. SLI 560 is not a good idea.
 
AkIRA_22 said:
I assume that H60 fan is pulling air into the case. You should be aware that it will dump all the dust onto the radiator, slowly reducing it's efficiency. If you chuck a magnetic fan filter on the back, problem solved.

Nice job on the cables, that's what I like about the H series, they make your case much more appealing to the eye, it doesn't look like something from 2001: A Space Odyssey has appeared in your case.

Good call. Something like this? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036WTDHK/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
Should I get a 3gig vram 580 or a 1.5gig vram?

I know 1.5gig is a good amount, but I'm having flashbacks to not being able to play GTAIV at high res textures because my current card has 512 instead of 1gig. Don't want to get this 580 and then in 2 years have some game that locks me out of higher textures because 1.5gig v-ram isn't good enough.

Also I'm thinking about going with this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121467

as opposed to this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121429


It seems for $50 more (after rebate) you get an extra 50mhz overclock and better cooling?
 
Bebpo said:
Should I get a 3gig vram 580 or a 1.5gig vram?

I know 1.5gig is a good amount, but I'm having flashbacks to not being able to play GTAIV at high res textures because my current card has 512 instead of 1gig. Don't want to get this 580 and then in 2 years have some game that locks me out of higher textures because 1.5gig v-ram isn't good enough.

Also I'm thinking about going with this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121467

as opposed to this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121429


It seems for $50 more (after rebate) you get an extra 50mhz overclock and better cooling?

GTX 580 is not a card I would be buying for the long run. High-end cards carry a premium because they offer more performance now. Otherwise, you're better off sticking to the midrage (aka GTX 560 Ti or 6950). You'll get 80% of the performance for 50% of the cost. Take the money you save and upgrade to a better card 2 years down the road, which will be far faster than the GTX 580 will be at that point.

The same rule applies to SLI. You go SLI if you want more performance now. Don't buy SLI, or be SLI-ready just because you might want to add a second card to your setup down the road. It's almost never a good idea.

Usually those of us buying these $400-500 high end cards are the ones crazy enough to want to upgrade ever generation or two. Even with midrange cards, I always think a good rule of thumb is to try to budget your build so that you can upgrade GPUs 2 years down the road. If you get a good CPU + moderate GPU now, and upgrade your GPU 2-3 years down the road, your build is going to have a long life to it.
 
mtommy said:
You shouldn't have any problem at 4.0Ghz. You could also try IntelBurn Test and do a quick 5-20 run test. If it pass, then you could aim for running Prime95 for longer hours.

I'm running 4.5ghz stable with VCore 1.26 - never had any problems (no BSOD; no freezing...)
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5996/capture45c.jpg
Right, thanks. Shouldn't be able to easily get more mileage given my CPU and cooler? The consensus seems to be that an i5 2500K is capable of 4.5ghz 24/7.
 
TheExodu5 said:
GTX 580 is not a card I would be buying for the long run. High-end cards carry a premium because they offer more performance now. Otherwise, you're better off sticking to the midrage (aka GTX 560 Ti or 6950). You'll get 80% of the performance for 50% of the cost. Take the money you save and upgrade to a better card 2 years down the road, which will be far faster than the GTX 580 will be at that point.

The same rule applies to SLI. You go SLI if you want more performance now. Don't buy SLI, or be SLI-ready just because you might want to add a second card to your setup down the road. It's almost never a good idea.


I agree, but that's just not how I roll. I like to buy the best card and then ride with it for 3-5 years and then upgrade. I'll stick with a card while getting 20fps on the latest games before upgrading.

Plus if I had to upgrade in 2 years for whatever reason I could do one of the tradeback programs, right?

And I'd never do SLI. Not interested. Only do single cards.
 
TheDude108 said:
Is it worthwhile, considering costs, to upgrade to an i5-2500k + Z68 motherboard from an Athlon II X4 640 @ 3.6GHz + AM3 motherboard?

Over the last few weeks I have been looking at upgrading my GPU to a 6950 or some such, but I keep seeing the crazy clocks on the 2500k and I like the look of it. The rest of my system would be an easy transfer (Tp-750 PSU, 4Gb DDR3, F3 HDD).

Just wondering if its actually worth it? Much of a performance boost at 1920x1080 if there was a 6950 GPU in each instance? After selling the AM3 stuff, the upgrade would be about £160 or so.

Anyone got any help on this?

Was set on getting the 6950, but after seeing the potential of an i5-2500k, I'm stuck again!

Currently, I don't have a GPU as I sold my 5770 in preparation for the 6950. But, should I sell my X4 and motherboard and get the i5-2500k + z68 motherboard and wait and see how upcoming games perform before I get the GPU?

Gah! I hate shopping for upgrades :(
 
Bebpo said:
Plus if I had to upgrade in 2 years for whatever reason I could do one of the tradeback programs, right?

The tradeback programs are usually limited to a card that you've bought within about 60 days.

Honestly, just look at this:

perfrel_1920.gif


Is that extra 20% really worth it to you? I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to spending that much money on that extra performance, but I consider myself a bit of a performance nut (considering I'm running 2x GTX 570 on a 1080p setup). If getting that extra 20% performance now is going to stop you from upgrading to a card that's nearly twice as fast in a few years, then I hesitate to say it was worth it. Also consider that the 6950 2GB will never limit you in terms of memory.

I don't want to dissuade you from the GTX 580 if you want to go for that...I just want to make sure you buy it for the right reasons. Just buy for the performance you want now, and not for the performance you think you'll need in 3 years.
 
I'm pretty set on a 580 though. I want a card where I can finally play Crysis at 1080p and hit 60fps.

I'm not gaming higher than 1080p in the next 3-5 years (I like my 1080p monitor and my tv-out to my 1080p tv) and I don't mind playing with no AA; I do that most of the time to get the best performance. So I feel like a 580gtx should let me play my backlog of games that have come out over the last year or two (Crysis 2, The Witcher 2, Shogun 2, Deus Ex HR) while also being good enough for games coming out in the next few years (even if I have to play them at 30fps with no AA).

Also I'm not looking at Ati alternatives because I've been using Nvidia for about 10 years now and am used to their firmware. I like their tv-out options.

I'm just figuring out which 580 to pull the trigger on atm.
 
Bebpo said:
I'm pretty set on a 580 though. I want a card where I can finally play Crysis at 1080p and hit 60fps.

If we're talking about max settings + some AA, I'm fairly certain even a 580 can't keep an avg of 60 fps in crysis 1. Could be wrong though, my point is that you seem to have waited for it a while but don't set yourself up for disappointment.
 
Corky said:
If we're talking about max settings + some AA, I'm fairly certain even a 580 can't keep an avg of 60 fps in crysis 1. Could be wrong though, my point is that you seem to have waited for it a while but don't set yourself up for disappointment.
my 580 tears through Crysis 1 at max settings easily locking 60 FPS
 
KingOfKong said:
my 580 tears through Crysis 1 at max settings easily locking 60 FPS

Then these benchmarks I'm looking at must be wrong or not representative of your 580, the ones I'm looking at mostly show 1080p, gamer settings ( one step below enthusiast right? ) and more often than not 0 AA and the results are around anywhere 60 and below.
 
KingOfKong said:
my 580 tears through Crysis 1 at max settings easily locking 60 FPS

I highly doubt it. Dual GTX 570 isn't even enough to keep up much of the time (max settings, 1080p, 4x AA). Crysis 1 is more demanding than Crysis 2, and Crysis 2 runs at about ~45fps in DX9 mode with a GTX 580.
 
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