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[Corky]

Haha i feel sorry for you man, still debating what to do.

I'm scary indecisive in general, but this is tearing my balls off.

 

[iSurvivedTheOutage]

So my overclock to 4.4Ghz is netting my temps at idle around 29-30C and under full load during prime 95 around 60-64c. Are these temps good for the OC im doing?

 

[Caerith]

The Biostar board i was looking to pick up for my build doesn't have a USB 3.0 header on it. Unfortunately the case that I'm eyeing only includes a USB 3.0 header to connect the front port. Should I just get the cable that goes from the back ports or would it be easier to choose a different board?

Any thoughts from the Master Race board of directors?

I see what you did there.

It all depends on a) personal preference and b) how set you are on getting that particular board and that particular case.

I'd say rather than run a cable that you should either change your board to one with 3.0 headers, or change your case to one without frontal 3.0 ports.

The board I'm getting has two USB 3.0 headers on it, and I'm annoyed that most of the cases out now only have a (tacky-ass) passthrough to the back with the internal USB 3.0 versions not due out until November. So my problem is quite the opposite of yours.

 

[chaosblade]

So my overclock to 4.4Ghz is netting my temps at idle around 29-30C and under full load during prime 95 around 60-64c. Are these temps good for the OC im doing?

Sounds like it's in line with what other people are getting. Probably not going to squeeze anything else out of it without going over on temps (65-67 is where you want to stop).

 

[·feist·]

So my overclock to 4.4Ghz is netting my temps at idle around 29-30C and under full load during prime 95 around 60-64c. Are these temps good for the OC im doing?

That's fine.

I see what you did there.

It all depends on a) personal preference and b) how set you are on getting that particular board and that particular case.

I'd say rather than run a cable that you should either change your board to one with 3.0 headers, or change your case to one without frontal 3.0 ports.

The board I'm getting has two USB 3.0 headers on it, and I'm annoyed that most of the cases out now only have a (tacky-ass) passthrough to the back with the internal USB 3.0 versions not due out until November. So my problem is quite the opposite of yours.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29829175&postcount=7541

 

[iSurvivedTheOutage]

Sounds like it's in line with what other people are getting. Probably not going to squeeze anything else out of it without going over on temps (65-67 is where you want to stop).

Alright, Thx. Now the fall onslaught of games just needs to get here..lol

 

[Domcorleone]

I'm getting a i5 2500k and msi lightning, both of which will be overclocked, will the Rosewill Blackhawk case be fine in terms of air flow and keeping everything cool?

 

[Giriath_89]

Even a single GTX 580 and overclocked 2500K with a Noctua DH-14 push the boundaries in terms of cooling for the Fractal R3.

I'm getting that set-up, but I'm also installing four 140mm fans and three 120mm fans on the case. It won't be nearly as quiet, but my temperatures should be fine, right?

 

[MedIC86]

I'm getting that set-up, but I'm also installing four 140mm fans and three 120mm fans on the case. It won't be nearly as quiet, but my temperatures should be fine, right?

If youre doing a proper airflow, yes sure

 

[Open Source]

No, the older little 15" LCD had it's own cord attached to it with a vga plug at the end.

Could be the output port you are using, then. Or maybe you need to enable reduced blanking or some such in the nvidia control panel (create a custom resolution, and choose CVT reduced blanking in the timing section).

Also make sure your DVI cable is dual link.


Edit: uhhh...are you connecting your asus 21.5 monitor via VGA? If so, that would leave the VGA cord as the only possible issue...but you should be using DVI or HDMI anyway. Digital, man.

 

[Smokey]

A 580 and 590 are way overkill for games right now unless you're:

- 2560x1600
- running an surround setup

Fixed. Sorry, just bothers me when I see the terms cross streams. And of course it's overkill, but then again there's nothing wrong with that

Thanks for the pics! I went for the MSI GTX 580 XE for the price of a standard edition. I hope I really get one in the mail, so I won't have to extort the retailer to get one.

Sweet! Congrats. It's a great card. So is the ASUS, but I prefer the Lightning if you have a choice (and have the means to do so).

 

[Giriath_89]

If youre doing a proper airflow, yes sure

Exhaust in the rear (120mm) and top (2x 140mm) and intake in the bottom (140mm), side panel (140mm) and front (2x 120mm).

Obviously my NH-D14 CPU-cooler will be mounted to push airflow through the radiators and out the rear exhaust fan.

 

[Hazaro]

Alright, this is a tough one.

I'm going to comment on each component here:

CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K
- Do you need hyper-threading? If this is mainly for gaming, you can save yourself $100 and go down to the 2500K.

CPU Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
- Sounds good.

Mobo: Asus P8Z68-V
- No problem here.

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL (4x4gb)
- Is 16GB of RAM necessary for your needs? 8GB is already way more than enough for anyone not running a bunch of virtual PCs.

Main HD: OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 2.5" SSD 240GB
- Best stick with the Crucial m4 at this point. The OCZs have more issues reported.

Data HDD: Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARX, 2TB SATA-600, 64MB, 5400rpm
- Since you've got a big SSD as a main drive, I have no issue with you going with a 5400rpm drive as a secondary. I do believe the Samsung F4 might be a better drive, though I'm not 100% sure.

Video cards: 2x MSI 580GTX Lightning Extreme 3GB
- What's your usage scenario here? SLI is something I'd only recommend to those who know they need it and understand the issues it can bring. If this is a first build for you, I'd be far more comfortable with you getting just one card and adding one only if you think you need it for a given title.

Optical drive: LG GH22NS70 dvd burner
- No problem here.

Power: Corsair Gaming GS800
- You're going to want a better PSU if you want to go SLI. Corsair AX850 is a good pick, as previously mentioned. You could go with a slightly lower quality ~1000W PSU as well (like the HX series).

Case: Fractal Design Define R3 or Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced
- While this is a great case, it will be completely inadequate in terms of cooling for 2x GTX 580 Lightnings. They dump over 50% of the hot air they generate into the case, so you need some serious cooling to take care of that. The only case that's going to be moderately quiet with this kind of configuration is going to be the Silverstone FT02, but it's a fair bit more expensive, and it's also a lot bigger. SLI is going to be limiting your choices a lot here.

Whatever case you go with, if you stick with SLI, I'd recommend you go with something that pushes a lot more air. Even a single GTX 580 and overclocked 2500K with a Noctua DH-14 push the boundaries in terms of cooling for the Fractal R3.

The other case I could have recommended as well would have been the HAF X, but I figured that wouldn't appeal to your sensibilities considering your leanings towards the R3 and 690.

I'll agree with almost all of this.
HIGHLY recommend the Samsung F4.
I'd get an Intel 510 or Crucial M4 for SSD for sure.
UPGRADE YOUR PSU. Dual 3GB LIGHTNING 580's is no joke. CM Gold 1200W.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171055
Ripjaws heatsinks might interfere with your CPU cooler, should check that.

 

[cwmartin]

I don't know if this cable even exists, I've been googling for a bit. But is there a cable with 2 USB 3.0 male connectors that connect to an internal header? I'm willing to give up the 2 on the back to make use of the one in front. The case im getting, the front usb 3.0 can only connect to a header.

 

[Domcorleone]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107

can this case handle 2 msi lightnings? and a OC i5 2600?

 

[Jin34]

Man where are the Chinese Bothans with Radeon 7000 leaks?

 

[The Teachinator]

A 580 and 590 are way overkill for games right now unless you're:

- 2560x1600
- running an eyefinity setup

A single 580 isn't overkill at all. They run everything flawlessy. Some of the lower models really drop fraps.

 

[Chinner]

don't listen to the haters i have the r3, its a good thing everything runs so hot because it keeps me warm. its a good thing guys.

 

[Spookie]

A 580 and 590 are way overkill for games right now unless you're:

- 2560x1600
- running an eyefinity setup

I wish that were the case. Red Orchestra 2 is fucking murdering my 580 at the moment.

 

[RukusProvider]

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-341-044-_-09052011_4

Gaf, real fast! is this good? I know people love Corsair and Seasonic but are OCZ PSU's just junk?

 

[Hazaro]

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-341-044-_-09052011_4

Gaf, real fast! is this good? I know people love Corsair and Seasonic but are OCZ PSU's just junk?

If Hardware Secrets gave it a gold I'm behind it.
Can't vouch for reliability, but internals and power on it seem good.

 

[RukusProvider]

If Hardware Secrets gave it a gold I'm behind it.
Can't vouch for reliability, but internals and power on it seem good.

Thanks! ordered No turning back now. The new build pieces will only add from here. Even if I go with the Xfire on the 7000 series, they should be power efficient and I shouldn't come close to drawing close to 850w.

btw, what do you think of this RAM? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226184&Tpk=mushkin ddr3

I'm waiting for it to come back in stock but I like the low voltage and those speeds.

 

[Hazaro]

Thanks! ordered No turning back now. The new build pieces will only add from here. Even if I go with the Xfire on the 7000 series, they should be power efficient and I shouldn't come close to drawing close to 850w.

btw, what do you think of this RAM? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226184&Tpk=mushkin ddr3

I'm waiting for it to come back in stock but I like the low voltage and those speeds.

I don't like low voltage RAM. Made to run at 1.5V, give it 1.5V.
The power savings are stupid negligible.

 

[RukusProvider]

I don't like low voltage RAM. Made to run at 1.5V, give it 1.5V.
The power savings are stupid negligible.

oh really? I figured lower the better. So I should just get some 1.5v CAS 8 1600 RAM for Sandy Bridge. I know 1600 is the sweetspot and I don't plan to OC the RAM since the benefits are minimal.

Stick with something like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445

I plan to do a 212+ cooler so hopefully the heatsinks don't interfere. Mobo will be a Asrock Extreme4 Gen 3

 

[DSN2K]

I wish that were the case. Red Orchestra 2 is fucking murdering my 580 at the moment.

just poorly optimizing on developers part, its UE2 game!!!

 

[Hazaro]

oh really? I figured lower the better. So I should just get some 1.5v CAS 8 1600 RAM for Sandy Bridge. I know 1600 is the sweetspot and I don't plan to OC the RAM since the benefits are minimal.

Stick with something like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445

I plan to do a 212+ cooler so hopefully the heatsinks don't interfere. Mobo will be a Asrock Extreme4 Gen 3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231416
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460

1600 sticks are sold out, can set the 1866 sticks to 8-8-8-24 probably at 1600

 

[Citizen K]

Hey GAF, can anyone tell me if this monitor is any good. I'm not exactly upto date with current monitor tech (best type of panel etc)

http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VE247H/

I can get this for around £100.

 

[Big Papa Husker]

If you recall, my friend had me ask about some PC parts earlier today. Well, after thinking about it, I bought the same parts. Right now I have a Gigabyte x48-DS5, E8600, 8GB DDR2 1066. I will be keeping my 4870x2 until I find a good sale on a 580.

Upgrades

• MSI P67A-GD55 (B3) ATX Intel Motherboard
• Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
• Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
• G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

Looking forward to have a competent rig, at least for a while.

 

[TheExodu5]

Exhaust in the rear (120mm) and top (2x 140mm) and intake in the bottom (140mm), side panel (140mm) and front (2x 120mm).

Obviously my NH-D14 CPU-cooler will be mounted to push airflow through the radiators and out the rear exhaust fan.

That sounds like a good plan.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107

can this case handle 2 msi lightnings? and a OC i5 2600?

I would much rather go with a HAF 922 with an added side 200mm fan for an SLI setup on the cheap.

just poorly optimizing on developers part, its UE2 game!!!

It's a UE3.5 game. But yes, it's having some strange performance issues at the moment.

 

[sikkinixx]

So currently I have an E8400, 550W PS, 4GB of Ram, an Asus something mobo and a new 1GB 460GTX.

I kind of had my mind set on a i5 2500K + some sort of mobo but a buddy of mine switched his rig over to AMD, something Black edition and paid a lot less than the ~$400 i5 + mobo. So now I'm wavering. Money isn't the best right now but the old E8400 is struggling with some of the newer games. The 460 helps, way better than the 8800GT I had.

 

[TheExodu5]

So currently I have an E8400, 550W PS, 4GB of Ram, an Asus something mobo and a new 1GB 460GTX.

I kind of had my mind set on a i5 2500K + some sort of mobo but a buddy of mine switched his rig over to AMD, something Black edition and paid a lot less than the ~$400 i5 + mobo. So now I'm wavering. Money isn't the best right now but the old E8400 is struggling with some of the newer games. The 460 helps, way better than the 8800GT I had.

The 2500K is much, much faster than any AMD processor out there at the moment, which is the reason for the price disparity. If we were to take a game that is very CPU happy (despite using only 2 cores) like Starcraft 2, it's easy to illustrate the difference:

Also, the 2500K is easily overclockable to at least 4.4GHz, while the Black Edition CPUs are not nearly as overclockable, which widens the gap even more.

 

[Big Papa Husker]

So currently I have an E8400, 550W PS, 4GB of Ram, an Asus something mobo and a new 1GB 460GTX.

I kind of had my mind set on a i5 2500K + some sort of mobo but a buddy of mine switched his rig over to AMD, something Black edition and paid a lot less than the ~$400 i5 + mobo. So now I'm wavering. Money isn't the best right now but the old E8400 is struggling with some of the newer games. The 460 helps, way better than the 8800GT I had.

I just ordered this and planning to overclock to 4.4GHZ if I can...
MSI P67A-GD55 (B3) - $144.99 - $30 Rebate Card = $114.99 *** REBATE ENDS TODAY***
Intel Core i5-2500K - $219.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $54.99

TOTAL: 419.97

 

[cwmartin]

MSI P67A-GD55 (B3) - $144.99 - $30 Rebate Card = $114.99 *** REBATE ENDS TODAY***

I'm curious on some input on this MOBO. Definitely need one that has a 3.0 USB header.

 

[Felix Lighter]

I asked this question in the mouse thread but it may be more appropriate here simply because there are tons of posters ready to give advice in here. I started playing a little Crysis 2 and I noticed an issue I've had in the past with other shooters. When lining up my shots on distant targets, my cross hairs jump several pixels with the smallest possible movement. I decreased the sensitivity to a setting that I feel is uncomfortably low and I still have the issue. I'm using a MX518 and the dpi setting is 1800. I disabled pointer acceleration. Any suggestions? Any other settings I should be looking into? Should I be looking at a different mouse?

 

[TGMIII]

So currently I have an E8400, 550W PS, 4GB of Ram, an Asus something mobo and a new 1GB 460GTX.

I kind of had my mind set on a i5 2500K + some sort of mobo but a buddy of mine switched his rig over to AMD, something Black edition and paid a lot less than the ~$400 i5 + mobo. So now I'm wavering. Money isn't the best right now but the old E8400 is struggling with some of the newer games. The 460 helps, way better than the 8800GT I had.

I went from an E8400 to an i5 2500K and I defiantly feel the upgrade was worth it. It's night and day.

 

[Giriath_89]

I asked this question in the mouse thread but it may be more appropriate here simply because there are tons of posters ready to give advice in here. I started playing a little Crysis 2 and I noticed an issue I've had in the past with other shooters. When lining up my shots on distant targets, my cross hairs jump several pixels with the smallest possible movement. I decreased the sensitivity to a setting that I feel is uncomfortably low and I still have the issue. I'm using a MX518 and the dpi setting is 1800. I disabled pointer acceleration. Any suggestions? Any other settings I should be looking into? Should I be looking at a different mouse?

I've had a MX518 for the longest time and never had any problems so I can't really tell what your problem is or how to fix it. Excellent mouse though.

 

[Felix Lighter]

I've had a MX518 for the longest time and never had any problems so I can't really tell what your problem is or how to fix it. Excellent mouse though.

I like the mouse as well and I don't have issues with the majority of the games I play but from time to time there will be an FPS that causes me trouble with this particular issue. I'm just not sure how to troubleshoot the issue or maybe there simply isn't anything I can do. I don't know.

 

[ACE 1991]

So I have triple-buffering enabled in CCC and for whatever reason it doesn't seemed to be enabling in either SC2 or the Witcher. vsync is in both games.

 

[Hazaro]

I asked this question in the mouse thread but it may be more appropriate here simply because there are tons of posters ready to give advice in here. I started playing a little Crysis 2 and I noticed an issue I've had in the past with other shooters. When lining up my shots on distant targets, my cross hairs jump several pixels with the smallest possible movement. I decreased the sensitivity to a setting that I feel is uncomfortably low and I still have the issue. I'm using a MX518 and the dpi setting is 1800. I disabled pointer acceleration. Any suggestions? Any other settings I should be looking into? Should I be looking at a different mouse?

high dpi, low mouse speed should be correct
Shouldn't be happening, I think.

 

[·feist·]

Man where are the Chinese Bothans with Radeon 7000 leaks?

A lot depends on whether AMD's GCN/"Graphics Core Next" will in fact debut along with the first run of 28nm HD 7000 models, and what happens between roll out and yields. Expectations, speculation, and rumors aside, they haven't said anything definitive.

AMD Fusion System Architecture Overview - Southern Isle GPUs and Beyond
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ecture-Overview-Southern-Isle-GPUs-and-Beyond


TSMC reiterates plans to commercially produce 28nm chips later in 2011
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110713PD214.html

TSMC Admits 28nm Ramp Up Is Taking Longer than Expected
http://uptonews.com/07/tsmc-admits-28nm-ramp-up-is-taking-longer-than-expected.html

4 page interview
Behind the Scenes with AMD's Eric Demers - An Interview with Rage3D
http://www.rage3d.com/interviews/amdchats/eric_demers_july_2011/

AMD Radeon HD 7000 Southern Islands 28nm
　　HD 7990 New Zealand GCN
　　HD 7970 Tahiti XT GCN 1000MHz 32CUs 2048ALUs 128TMUs 64ROPs 256bit XDR2 8.0Gbps 256GB/s 2GB 190W HP
　　HD 7950 Tahiti Pro GCN 900MHz 30CUs 1920ALUs 120TMUs 64ROPs 256bit XDR2 7.2Gbps 230GB/s 2GB 150W HP
　　HD 7870 Thames XT VLIW4 950MHz 24SIMDs 1536ALUs 96TMUs 32ROPs 256bit GDDR5 5.8Gbps 186GB/s 2GB 120W HPL
　　HD 7850 Thames Pro VLIW4 850MHz 22SIMDs 1408ALUs 88TMUs 32ROPs 256bit GDDR5 5.2Gbps 166GB/s 2GB 90W HPL
　　HD 7670 Lombok XT VLIW4 900MHz 12SIMDs 768ALUs 48TMUs 16ROPs 128bit GDDR5 5.0Gbps 80GB/s 1GB 60W HPL
　　HD 7570 Lombok Pro VLIW4 750MHz 12SIMDs 768ALUs 48TMUs 16ROPs 128bit GDDR5 4.0Gbps 64GB/s 1GB 50W HPL

转[AMD下代28nm显卡规格全露 HD7990旗舰]
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-46257-1-1.html
http://weibo.com/1767180595

 

[sikkinixx]

hmmm I guess I should stick with the 2500k plan then.

 

[Felix Lighter]

That's what I thought. Crysis 2 is particularly bad for me. Like I said most games it isn't an issue but every once and awhile a game comes along. The mx518 has been great for me so I'll just live with it.

 

[Hazaro]

Wow. That's incredible.

 

[TheExodu5]

Wow. That's incredible.

I was unimpressed...until I saw the power consumption. :O

 

[Hazaro]

And it's not even using NEW RAMS.

The XDR™2 memory architecture is the world's fastest memory system solution capable of providing more than twice the peak bandwidth per device when compared to a GDDR5-based system. Further, the XDR 2 memory architecture delivers this performance at 30% lower power than GDDR5 at equivalent bandwidth.

Also, super top secret information, but I have it on good authority that 28nm is all fine and dandy. I expect AMD GPUs out this year with good numbers. They will probably still sell out, but good yields.

 

[Jtrizzy]

Man PC gaming has been a struggle for me. I have a 2600k, which I still haven't learned how to OC, and a Twin Frozr 580. I'm having problems with some of my games.

I just bought Crysis 2, downloaded the texture pack and DX11 pack. The game crashes to the desktop during the initial part where your boat is blown up and you are floating. Each time it's when they look at the statue of liberty. I lowered the resolution to 1280x720 and it still crashes at the same spot.


Any advice on what settings I should use in the Nvidia control panel? I guess it's time I overclock the processor too huh? It's really frustrating to buy a game, download all the updates and not be able to play it, especially considering how amazing it looks in the two minutes I play before it crashes.

 

[Jin34]

I was unimpressed...until I saw the power consumption. :O

I know its a damn 6970 with less than half the power consumption, that's nuts. If true, this is probably playing a big part in why all 3 consoles are going AMD next gen. Interesting that the x900 series is going for more of a memory speed increase with XDR2 than the typical throw a lot more SPs way.

 

[Tallshortman]

Man PC gaming has been a struggle for me. I have a 2600k, which I still haven't learned how to OC, and a Twin Frozr 580. I'm having problems with some of my games.

I just bought Crysis 2, downloaded the texture pack and DX11 pack. The game crashes to the desktop during the initial part where your boat is blown up and you are floating. Each time it's when they look at the statue of liberty. I lowered the resolution to 1280x720 and it still crashes at the same spot.


Any advise on what settings I should use in the Nvidia control panel? I guess it's time I overclock the processor too huh? It's really frustrating to buy a game, download all the updates and not be able to play it, especially considering how amazing it looks in the two minutes I play before it crashes.

It's not a hardware capability issue, a 2600k and 580 should not crash in any game, any modern/current gen card and processor can "run" Crysis 2 without crashing, it's just the difference in performance (a low end 6xxx card can run crysis you'll just be getting really bad fps). You're likely encountering a software bug or driver issue. A quick google search should help you out there.

 

[Hazaro]

I know its a damn 6970 with less than half the power consumption, that's nuts. If true, this is probably playing a big part in why all 3 consoles are going AMD next gen. Interesting that the x900 series is going for more of a memory speed increase with XDR2 than the typical throw a lot more SPs way.

Not to mention if they release some fusion products like this in the next cycle we could be seeing 6850+ GPU levels in consumer level CPUs with AMD Fusion.
Very impressive.

 

[Angelus Errare]

DAT BANDWIDTH!