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If you could ask Michael Moore one question, what would it be?

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demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
If you could be any tree, what kind would you be???
 
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xsarien

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"There have been many attacks on your credibility since 'Bowling for Columbine' and your editing that escapes those who are too myopic to see the finer points of that film. Your latest film has been called, among other things, pure propaganda despite your many public assertions that it's very obviously an 'op/ed piece.' Given those two situations, would you consider making a more even-handed movie if, for any other reason, to prove your critics wrong?

If that's too long:

"Do you think - looking at the reactions to your past two movies - overall, you've helped or hindered the progressive movement in this country against the conservative agenda?"

Alternative to both:
What's your favorite value meal at McDonald's?
 
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KingV

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xsarien said:
"There have been many attacks on your credibility since 'Bowling for Columbine' and your editing that escapes those who are too myopic to see the finer points of that film. Your latest film has been called, among other things, pure propaganda despite your many public assertions that it's very obviously an 'op/ed piece.' Given those two situations, would you consider making a more even-handed movie if, for any other reason, to prove your critics wrong?

If that's too long:

"Do you think - looking at the reactions to your past two movies - overall, you've helped or hindered the progressive movement in this country against the conservative agenda?"

Alternative to both:
What's your favorite value meal at McDonald's?
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Honestly, Op-ed piece suggests that the assertions are at least grounded in reality. You can't really say this about most of Michael Moore's movies. Look at how many people have come out against him, esp people who have appeared in his movies and said he totally misrepresented what he said. The creators of South Park come to mind as people that have spoken out against him recently, on Conan. Many of the regular people who appeared in his movies have as well. The guy misleads and connives to prove a point that he can't prove using real facts.
 
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xsarien

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KingV said:
The guy misleads and connives to prove a point that he can't prove using real facts.
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Spoken, truly, like someone who either hasn't seen any one of his movies or zones out during them.
 
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TheDuce22

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I dont understand how the guy has a shred of credibility left. He is right on one point though, americans are stupid. We are the ones who made him a millionaire after all.
 
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KingV

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xsarien said:
Spoken, truly, like someone who either hasn't seen any one of his movies or zones out during them.
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Actually, I have seen Roger and Me and BFC but avoided F-911 because I knew it would be total trash from past experience. I was skeptical enough about BFC in particular to do further research. The more I looked into it, the more I learned how trashy his fact checking is, and how manipulative his techniques are. Time and again, assertions in his movie are disproven using simple fact checking, or are shown to be taken completely out of context, to an extent where any halfway-intelligent person could not possibly be continuously doing it on accident.

Ask Trey Parker and Matt Stone how they feel about Michael Moore's movies. Better yet, here's a transcript to their snippet about it on Conan

http://moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/trey_and_matt/

Watch FarenHYPE 9/11, and see the people that were interviewed in Farenheit 9/11 say that Moore Manipulated and misrepresented them. I have not yet seen it, but a few of my friends have. It's available locally at our blockbuster, and possibly yours as well.

Here's one instance of Moore's crap to whet your appetite
http://spectator.se/stambord/index.php?p=45

There are many many instances of Michael Moore doing this and using similarly misleading techniques throughout BFC and F-911.
 
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xsarien

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KingV said:
Actually, I have seen Roger and Me and BFC but avoided F-911 because I knew it would be total trash from past experience. I was skeptical enough about BFC in particular to do further research. The more I looked into it, the more I learned how trashy his fact checking is, and how manipulative his techniques are.
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You know BfC wasn't an anti-gun movie, right? Just because, you know, that's where most people who pull the "fact-checking" card land on the giant Jump to Conclusions mat of the right-wing of this country.

And, again, write this on your palm or something. You keep forgetting. Moore has never, ever claimed that F9/11 was even-handed. It was designed, edited, and presented as a slanted, anti-Bush documentary. If Moore were holding it up to be a paragon of balance, you, Ron Silver, and the majority of Fox News' payroll would have a damned point regarding how the movie uses facts.
 
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KingV

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xsarien said:
You know BfC wasn't an anti-gun movie, right? Just because, you know, that's where most people who pull the "fact-checking" card land on the giant Jump to Conclusions mat of the right-wing of this country.

And, again, write this on your palm or something. You keep forgetting. Moore has never, ever claimed that F9/11 was even-handed. It was designed, edited, and presented as a slanted, anti-Bush documentary. If Moore were holding it up to be a paragon of balance, you, Ron Silver, and the majority of Fox News' payroll would have a damned point regarding how the movie uses facts.
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Where did I say anything about it being an anti-gun movie? The movie is just universally misleading in all the points that it does make. The point is, the movie doesn't use facts in any meaningful way. It's like if I made a case for you being anti-semitic by taking all of your posts and taking a quote saying.

xsarien: "I like how many people hold the US soley responsible for winning WWII, while we stood by and did nothing for years while Hitler was killing jews"

and quoted you as saying
xsarien: "I like... Hitler... killing jews."

and then said, "See, that proves it!"
That's more or less exactly what Moore does with his interviews and clips. He picks and chooses the parts that fit his outlook, and disregards the rest no matter what the person actually meant. It's not an outright lie, but it's such a stretching of what actually was said that it might as well be.
 
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LizardKing

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Actually Matlock there was an interview on the daily show (i think) a while back where he just about answered your very question. He said that he was sort of a propagandist and had an agenda and was very biased. He also said that he used only the facts.
 
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xsarien

daedsiluap
KingV said:
Where did I say anything about it being an anti-gun movie? The movie is just universally misleading in all the points that it does make. The point is, the movie doesn't use facts in any meaningful way. It's like if I made a case for you being anti-semitic by taking all of your posts and taking a quote saying.

xsarien: "I like how many people hold the US soley responsible for winning WWII, while we stood by and did nothing for years while Hitler was killing jews"

and quoted you as saying
xsarien: "I like... Hitler... killing jews."

and then said, "See, that proves it!"
That's more or less exactly what Moore does with his interviews and clips. He picks and chooses the parts that fit his outlook, and disregards the rest no matter what the person actually meant. It's not an outright lie, but it's such a stretching of what actually was said that it might as well be.
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Does this count towards Godwin's Law?

Anyway, if you'll notice something about Moore's interviews - which might require you to go back and actually pay attention to his movies - the clips, while obviously clips - contained complete sentences. He certainly wasn't manipulating anything in that regard. Picking and choosing questions and answers, certainly, but just about every media outlet does that in any given interview.

And how is Bowling for Columbine misleading? Exactly how do you miss the whole "culture of fear" theme? Are you too busy seething at him going after Heston or something?
 
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Jim Bowie

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I'll put what I was planning on asking him via email, but figured that he'd never see it anyway:

"I know that Matt Stone and Trey Parker harbour a Ju-On (I refused to say Grudge from now on) against you after you played a cartoon right after their segment. Do you have a Ju-On against them?"
 
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GG-Duo

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Jim Bowie said:
I'll put what I was planning on asking him via email, but figured that he'd never see it anyway:

"I know that Matt Stone and Trey Parker harbour a Ju-On (I refused to say Grudge from now on) against you after you played a cartoon right after their segment. Do you have a Ju-On against them?"
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A hard-on?
 
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Optimistic

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TheDuce22 said:
If he had to answer honestly I would ask again why he hates america.
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Yes, because America and its government are mutually inclusive. [/insert one mother of a rolleyes smiley here]
 
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Socreges

Banned
"Do you think you're making a difference?"

"Has your reputation gotten you to the point where you're just preaching to the choir?"

I guess I'm implying No and Yes, respectively.
 
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KingV

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xsarien said:
Does this count towards Godwin's Law?

Anyway, if you'll notice something about Moore's interviews - which might require you to go back and actually pay attention to his movies - the clips, while obviously clips - contained complete sentences. He certainly wasn't manipulating anything in that regard. Picking and choosing questions and answers, certainly, but just about every media outlet does that in any given interview.

And how is Bowling for Columbine misleading? Exactly how do you miss the whole "culture of fear" theme? Are you too busy seething at him going after Heston or something?
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OK, clearly, you're not even looking at my links. I gave you a clear example of exactly what I was talking about, I'll reprint it inline this time.

http://spectator.se/stambord/index.php?p=45

For the moment, I have little in way of a response to Michael Moore’s latest bit of cinematic incoherence, Fahrenheit 9-11. It is, of course, an enraging film, although, I would argue, not for the conventional, “we were lied to by a cabal of oilmen” reasons.

But for the moment, allow me to address the film’s final scene, a montage of clips “demonstrating” that “Bush lied” about Iraq’s supposed connection to 9-11; that the American people—a trusting, if simple, group—were buncoed into connecting “secular Saddam” to the zealots of Al-Qaeda. Let’s be clear about this, for it bears repeating: the administration has repeatedly and forcefully connected Iraq and Al-Qaeda—and, as recent evidence has shown, for good reason. What the administration has not done—contrary to popular belief—is publicly link Iraq to the attacks of September 11.

But, you protest, I saw Condoleezza Rice in Fahrenheit 9-11 tell a reporter that, “indeed,” there was a relationship!

ROLL FILM:

“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.”

CUT.

Pretty damning stuff, isn’t it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version. Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:

“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.”

Well that’s a different quote, Mike. So why the editing?
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As you can see, he took a sentence completely out of context, represented it in F-911 to mean the exact opposite of what it really was meant to say. He does the exact same thing in BFC, particularly in regards to the Heston speech, with the "From my cold dead hands sequence". If you look at that sequence you can see that not only were the quotes taken out of context, but they were taken from different speeches and played out of order to make it look like Charlton Heston was saying something he did not. If you think painting 1/10 of the picture upside down and inside out is intellectually responsible, well, I'll have to disagree with you. I think it's complete crap. I don't really agree with Moore's message, but whatever, it's a free country he can deliver it, there's plenty of people I disagree with. I do however, take issue with how he delivers his message, which is really why I dislike him.
 
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MrPing1000

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I'd ask, "Are you tired of retarded American's saying u hate America?"

Remember kids questioning the government is unpatriotic!
 
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