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StereoVsn
Gold Member
I turned down a job with a fairly decent promotion/pay because I would have to give up my office. Fuck that, can't understand how one can be productive there.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
There is no need to transfer everything to culture wars. People got used to one thing and now that the company wants them to come in there are some concerns.
proandrad
Member
People love to shit on people that don't want to go back to the office when they should be shitting on the shitty companies. Offer a 30% pay raise for going to the office and see how many people want to go back. Ubisoft is just another corporation that cares only about making as much money as possible and squeezing the consumer and their employees for every dime they can get. The employees should treat them the same way.
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Eotheod
Member
Why? There doesn't seem to be many legitimate reasons in keeping the old style business operations of an office space outside of supporting real estate agents and socialising, which reduces productivity anyway.
People do know it's kind of obvious when you are not pulling your weight while working from home in the context of a video game developer, right? You can't just pretend to squiggle on paper and look busy for the webcam teams meeting, not when your skillset functions are key to the development pipeline.
I'd argue (and the data is showing it) that working from home actually produces significantly higher quality work because you are not being distracted from a social standpoint. The time wasted at work is quite considerable, and reducing that is a good thing.
Again, unless you are the owner of the building, in which case you wanna keep work office culture staying for bottom dollar return.
Skifi28
Member
I just can't deal with the "but they promised us" bullshit. It sounds like dealing with third graders instead of working adults. Much like with your salary, all your benefits should be in writing on your contract. If it doesn't say anything about working from home in there, then ask for it to be included in writing. Otherwise don't take anything for granted because somebody said it.
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Fbh
Member
Honestly both parties are dumb here.
Ubisoft fucked up and should have never even hinted at 100% remote being an option post covid.
On the other hand though, at least based on the article it doesn't sound like Ubisoft was promising people 100% remote work no questions asked. A company statement like "100% remote will be possible depending on various criteria, such as productivity and impact on the team, as well as the nature of the work being done.” isn't the sort of thing on which you should base major life decisions like moving to another city/country
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Yippee fucking Ki-Yay for your parents then
Saber
Member
In what point the employee demands stuff? Do the positions changed?
They are just going back to the work office(aka back to normal), why even have concerns? Are we dealing with 6 year old here?
Mr.Phoenix
Member
lughnasadh123
Member
People going that extra mile to find something to shit on Ubisoft for that they scrape up the reason of having to go back to the office. Oh boo hoo. Here's a big fuck off from all the factory workers and construction crews that don't have a comfy, temp controlled space to work in.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Yes, but still Canada. They have funny accents and Céline Dion.
Sentenza
Member
For fucking real.
I mean, I get why the employees may not be thrilled about it and how being able to work for home was far more convenient for them...
But can we PLEASE fucking stop talking about being called back in the office to do your work (as your original contract probably demanded you to) as if it was some fucking violation of basic human rights?
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Mister Wolf
Member
Bunch of soft ass men.
Topher
Identifies as young
Obvious reason why a company would change policy and require employees who were working from home to come back to the office is that very little work was being done at home.
I work from home and I guarantee you that if my productivity fell off then I'd be yanked back into the office in a heartbeat and I would deserve it.
I work from home and I guarantee you that if my productivity fell off then I'd be yanked back into the office in a heartbeat and I would deserve it.
hyperbertha
Member
TF you talking about? They have been a failure for over a decade. They only pumped out 'aaa' games regularly because they were pumping out the same fucking games over and over. If that's changing great.
ByWatterson
Member
I guess Bungie still does it?
FeralEcho
Member
Literally this! Get back to work you lazy fucking cunts! No wonder game development timeframes have reached such ridiculous amounts with these lazy ass mindsets.
Not only that but most jobs in IT pay absolutely massive bank
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I think work from home is an abomination and should never be allowed to exist again. For everyone 1 person that can be productive from home 99 others drastically lose productivity. Often significantly so.
Show some balls Ubisoft and fire those lazy bastards.
Show some balls Ubisoft and fire those lazy bastards.
transformer
Member
Nobody is forcing them to work there. They are free to quit and not give in to their demands to show up for work.
Reminds me of the time I called my boss the next morning after coming out of emergency surgery for which I literally almost died, had sepsis, and was high from morphine and his first comment was “when can we expect you back to work?”Meanwhile my boss
FeralEcho
Member
Maybe you should read the thing you poated before acting all snarky!!!
They said it "would be possible to work 100% from home depending on various criteria like productivity etc."
Sounds to me like the upper management realised that working in your boxers while jerking off in front of your laptop on zoom aint as productive as many employees thought...So yes they need to get the fuck back to work like the majority of the world's population does daily not 2 fucking days a week and cry about it like little bitches. Cry me a fucking river.
Meicyn
Gold Member
If employees are failing to meet target goals, then you tell them that that’s why they’re reversing earlier decisions, and that WFH is a privilege, not a right. But you don’t tapdance around the issue with corporate PR like “agile development” or other pussy-ass attempts to avoid confrontation.
It’s entirely possible that goals aren’t being met. But workers are entitled to honest feedback about their performance and it looks like they aren’t getting it. That is a failure of leadership.
Being upfront and honest with your employees is important. You have to set expectations if you’re going to offer incentives. Otherwise you foster an environment of malicious compliance when you take things away and don’t give a clear reason why.
It’s entirely possible that goals aren’t being met. But workers are entitled to honest feedback about their performance and it looks like they aren’t getting it. That is a failure of leadership.
Being upfront and honest with your employees is important. You have to set expectations if you’re going to offer incentives. Otherwise you foster an environment of malicious compliance when you take things away and don’t give a clear reason why.
Perrott
Member
They made a good game literally this week.
Reaseru
Member
This is what happens when you hire marxists instead of hard working people. Their dream job is to be a Union representative, not a video game developer.
People do deserve to have their work rights protected, regardless of the job...refusing to show up at work 2 days a week because you don't like to be around other human beings isn't one of them.
People do deserve to have their work rights protected, regardless of the job...refusing to show up at work 2 days a week because you don't like to be around other human beings isn't one of them.
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HarryKS
Member
This report is making it out to be a bigger issue than it really is. However, it is essential to aggravate the tenor of the discourse sometimes when it comes to labour issues. If you give an inch, they'll take an arm. So, it's okay to complain. If I've learnt anything from being part of a big corp., those who complain get their way more often than not.
Sometimes, it's the only way.
Sometimes, it's the only way.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Can't see myself ever going back to an office unless I'm very close to one, I'm not wasting 2 hours per day just on traveling and then sitting at a desk with just loud people all around me, and people wanting to chat about stupid shit in their boring lives so I ultimately get less work done.
If these people were promised 100% remote work then good that they are upset about it; most of this back to the office shit isn't about productivity anyway, it's about empty buildings that still need to be paid for, and the devaluation of those buildings because nobody really needs them, and managers who are afraid of their job security because they don't know how to manage remotely.
If these people were promised 100% remote work then good that they are upset about it; most of this back to the office shit isn't about productivity anyway, it's about empty buildings that still need to be paid for, and the devaluation of those buildings because nobody really needs them, and managers who are afraid of their job security because they don't know how to manage remotely.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It's odd how many people are championing for corporations here.
The modern office environment is fairly anti-productive. Massive cube farms or open work environments with zero privacy, extremely difficult time focusing on tasks, constant "water cooler talk" interruptions. Employees these days must also put up with all kinds of bullshit constantly - notifications from 20 bosses, notifications from Corporate HR about bullshit nobody cares about, massive stat tracking every little thing and having to report status on a near constant basis to superiors. The days of just going to work and doing a value-added job are gone. And it's a demotivating enviornment. Remote makes it a little bit more tolerable.
In an ideal environment, nobody would be working in an office that is performing technical or artistic work at a computer. But there are challenges with training, collaboration, etc. Some sort of hybrid arrangement makes sense on occassion for days where such collaboration are important, but I don't think an official policy mandating certain days is the right answer.
If people take a step back they'd realize just HOW LITTLE work gets done by being in an office setting. Sure, the people that don't work in an office may be WORSE at home. But the people that actually get shit done (80/20 rule) thrive better in an at home environment free of distractions. Who do you think the corporation depends on more? The superstars, by far. They get most shit done.
The modern office environment is fairly anti-productive. Massive cube farms or open work environments with zero privacy, extremely difficult time focusing on tasks, constant "water cooler talk" interruptions. Employees these days must also put up with all kinds of bullshit constantly - notifications from 20 bosses, notifications from Corporate HR about bullshit nobody cares about, massive stat tracking every little thing and having to report status on a near constant basis to superiors. The days of just going to work and doing a value-added job are gone. And it's a demotivating enviornment. Remote makes it a little bit more tolerable.
In an ideal environment, nobody would be working in an office that is performing technical or artistic work at a computer. But there are challenges with training, collaboration, etc. Some sort of hybrid arrangement makes sense on occassion for days where such collaboration are important, but I don't think an official policy mandating certain days is the right answer.
If people take a step back they'd realize just HOW LITTLE work gets done by being in an office setting. Sure, the people that don't work in an office may be WORSE at home. But the people that actually get shit done (80/20 rule) thrive better in an at home environment free of distractions. Who do you think the corporation depends on more? The superstars, by far. They get most shit done.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They never once cite that.
“The blog post cited things like ‘Ubisoft culture’ and ‘collaboration’ as the reasons we needed to return to the office, but never once explained what problems a lack of these things had caused, or what steps had been taken to alleviate them before turning to RTO as the solution, or what kind of changes management expects to see as a result of RTO and how we are to measure the success of this plan,” one employee told IGN.
Some employees even speculate that this is part of a sot layoff to get rid of people who will refuse to come to the office.
The fact that their games suck seem to have little to do with remote work. Bringing their employees back to the office wouldn't stop their games from bombing and being vilified by the masses. The fact that they axed so many top leaders over the years has a lot more to do with their current predicament and having people back at the office will change fuck-all. The ship will continue sinking.
There's no reason to hide this, on the contrary. If you tell your employees verbatim that shit isn't productive, then most of them would be more on board with righting the sinking ship than just going "Well, we need to collaborate and do teamwork" which is more often than not needless corporate drivel.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
rabbity-thing
Member
Whole lotta this still going on in this thread.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This is fair. Tell them that work at home isn't getting things done and if we don't meet goals cuts will have to be made and "work from home" will become "stay at home"
Team Andromeda
Member
You aren't as productive in the house, no matter what some like to say. And for videogames I believe you can bounce off ideas in a grope better with face to face contact. Playing with your own mates online, just isnt the same as playing with the very same mates in the same room.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
Money and time saved by working from home is too substantial to go back to the office.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Not sure what this gif is for. Most would rather be part of a successful company than one that's heading towards bankruptcy and do the required work.
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Rendered Tangent
Banned
Personally, from my limited experience of working in an office environment, I always quite liked the fact you got to see people and I always enjoyed the social aspect.
A lot of the people complaining got too comfortable sitting at home working in their pyjamas, and now they're trying to figure out how to maintain it.
A lot of the people complaining got too comfortable sitting at home working in their pyjamas, and now they're trying to figure out how to maintain it.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because you say so?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
They were told that 100% work was going to be remote. So I am sure some folks made life decisions because of that.
Plus apparently it's open office floorplan over there and not good setup/equipment, hence further outcry. That said, 2 days is pretty mild.
Then again, Ubi starts with 2 days and then goes to 4 or whatnot, never know.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
That's really not true. I manage teams of employees and have an RTO mandate, and the employees are less productive for on-site days. They are more likely to socialize about bullshit all day than get their jobs done.
But this is in general, there is variability obviously
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