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IGN vs. MGS3 fans round n

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Lord Error

Insane For Sony
For those of you who don't follow the state of the affairs, there's some *very* bad blood between IGN's PS2 channel editor Ivan Sulic and a gang of hardcore MGS fans on IGN forums. I guess it all started by Ivan making some snide comments about MGS3, then kinda avoiding to give the game enough coverage (after all, it is the 2nd biggest PS2 game this year...) which resulted in some enraged fans sending him hate mail, that incuded gay porn and some such things. The leader of that forum rebellion was banned, only to re-register and pay for the insider (which I guess protects him from further bannings unless he starts acting profane). IGN editors tried to play it nicely by writing a ten page summary on MGS3, which in all honesty was a good effort, but obviously written by someone who doesn't care about the game. Then Ivan decided to not review the game but to give that task to another PS2 editor, who, by his own admittance, doesn't much like MGS games either.

As you could read here yesterday, the 'rebellion' continued in the form of 'MGS3 hype campaign' where the fan gang kept on insisting on more coverage for the game, less coverage for Halo 2 on PS2 channel :p, release day counter and what not.

Well, now Ivan decided to strike back with this article, which I find both hilarious and completely unprofessional for a site like IGN. It would be OK for SomethingAwful, but I think it's too personal, and will completely fly over the heads of 90% of IGN readers who are not involved in those forum bickerings.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/564/564476p1.html?fromint=1

I guess what Ivan doesn't understand is that writing for IGN has to include a certain level of fanboyism. If he's writing for that site, he's expected to love top franchizes for the platform he's editoring, or otherwise he's stuck in an awkward position. I think Matt is in the same boat, kinda. Or imagine if their Xbox editor was a huge Halo fan, but would write nothing but snide remarks about Team Ninja games, as they include too many boobies. It just wouldn't work for IGN's console centric setup...
 
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SolidSnakex

Member
It's more funny that they're actually getting under his skin enough to make him do stuff like this.

What did he say about MGS3 to piss them off anyway?
 
C

Chipopo

Banned
The leader of that forum rebellion was banned, only to re-register and pay for the insider
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Man, this guys really hitting IGN where it hurts :lol

This is like watching the Timmy vs. Jimmy fight on South Park. Whoever wins is still retarded as the old adage goes.
 
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Anyanka

Member
I thought it was funny when some guy at IGN feuded with a group of Tekken players over at Tekkenzaibatsu. It actually lead to some very good players going over to the IGN offices to kick his ass. :lol
 
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Lord Error

Insane For Sony
It actually lead to some very good players going over to the IGN offices to kick his ass.
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Kick his ass in Tekken, or literally beat him up? o_O

What did he say about MGS3 to piss them off anyway?
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I am not sure. It all basically started by them not giving the game much attention, and what little attention they gave it, usually contaned some snide remarks here and there. Then when they got called for that on the forum, Ivan started being pissed off about the people who complained. I guess that Halo 2 front page article was the last straw for the people on the forum.
 
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Rocket Punch

Member
Marconelly said:
I am not sure. It all basically started by them not giving the game much attention, and what little attention they gave it, usually contaned some snide remarks here and there. Then when they got called for that on the forum, Ivan started being pissed off about the people who complained. I guess that Halo 2 front page article was the last straw for the people on the forum.
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I think that's fair. As an IGN editor it's expected and understood you should satisfy your audience. If they want MGS3 they should get it. Minus the attitude.
 
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Quadrophenic

Member
just curious...what was the name of the IGNBoards guy who led this "rebellion" before he reregistered and bought insider (hahah)?
 
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Anyanka

Member
Marconelly said:
Kick his ass in Tekken, or literally beat him up? o_O
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Just the game, unfortunetly. He made an open challenge with the winner getting a year's subscription to Insider.
 
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Lazy8s

The ghost of Dreamcast past
Marconelly:
I guess what Ivan doesn't understand is that writing for IGN has to include a certain level of fanboyism.
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Adopting a bias would make a reporter no more credible than any disingenuous character out there. There's never a reason to yield objectivity, epecially for someone dealing in news/previews/reviews/views.
 
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Lord Error

Insane For Sony
IGN PS2 has gone downhill since he moved over from the PC channel.
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Oh man, so he's the guy who reviewed Silent Hill 2 for PC? I remember reading that back in the day and thinking, "well that's one pretty damn ignorant review" With quotes like:

One of the key additions to the Xbox version, and again to this one, is the option to turn off the grainy Noise Filter implemented in the PS2 game that almost made the whole thing look like a WWII newsreel. If you do turn the filter off, you'll be able to appreciate all of the visual elements that much more, plus it's a great way to feel like you're getting something the PS2 gamers missed, since their hardware is so sorely lacking.
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Lord Error

Insane For Sony
OP: I like your use of the word editoring. It's innovative and I am going to rip it off now.
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That's probably not even a word, right? Look, English is my third language, so excuse me, but I'm sorry :p

Adopting a bias would make a reporter no more credible than any disingenuous character out there. There's never a reason to yield objectivity, epecially for someone dealing in news/previews/reviews/views.
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Of course, but there are limits to everything. If you simply hate hip hop music, you are not going to work as an editor of a "hip-hop weekly" and spend your time writing how ridiculous that music is and how nonsensical it all sounds.
 
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Lord Error

Insane For Sony
i wonder what konami thinks of all of this retardation.
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Well, he's definitely doing a huge disservice to a team that has put so much effort, and company that has put so much money into the game, all because of some silly vendetta against bunch of forumgoers.
 
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BenT

Member
Marconelly said:
That's probably not even a word, right? Look, English is my third language, so excuse me, but I'm sorry :p
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It's not, but it should be. :) No offense meant.
 
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ferricide

Member
JackFrost2012 said:
Ivan Sulic is infectuous human waste.
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i think he's more drunken human waste. only ian (whatever his last name is, i forget) can be the true IHW of the game journalism industry.
 
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WarPig

Member
Dave Z's crotch-shooting article is still the undisputed heavyweight champ.

Actually, Z in general is still the undisputed heavyweight champ, even if he's lost a lotta weight since then.

Incidentally, if they really needed someone to review MGS3 for 'em, they can just call me, I'd do it for old time's sake ^_^

DFS.
 
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speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Is it just me or has IGN slid into more mud as time wears on? Not to say at all that they were great or anything, but maybe they're becoming like the gaming industry itself - about to implode.
 
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Vashu

Member
I kinda missed the Halo 2 thing... Was it in the PS2 section? o_O

That's just berserk!!! :lol You may start to wonder wether or not some of those at IGN are being paid by AEG... :p At least Ivan is being very childish....

Also, can anyone give me a link to that feature?
 
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Lakitu

st5fu
PS2 IGN respect -1000

I know what some of the MGS fans done... were well, stupid but come on this, that article is pathetic, and leads me to believe not only are they pathetic, but unproffesional ("I know, let's have a Halo 2 FEATURE on PS2 IGN! THAT SHOULD ROUND UP THE VISITORS!!!")
 
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cybamerc

Will start substantiating his hate
You can't expect someone to like a game just because it's coming out for the system that you're covering. A professional reviewer will try to look past his personal preferences and give a fair scores based on what the game does right and wrong. So it may not get the 10+ that the fanboys are expecting but that's life. I don't mean to imply however that Ivan is acting professionally.
 
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Fifty

Member
No wonder I prefer Gamespot. It just seems more professional, not run by a bunch of childish editors.
 
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ourumov

Member
With the influence IGN has, it's a pity they allow people like Ivan to be in charge of analyzing games like MGS3. If you have personal problems with someone that shouldn't interfere with the judgement of a certain game.

Sad...very sad.
 
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WarPig

Member
Vashu said:
Also, can anyone give me a link to that feature?
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You're probably asking for the Halo 2 thing, but I will offer Dave Zdyrko's legendary "Metal Gear Solid 2: Below the Belt" instead.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/091/091987p1.html

The story behind this is a little complicated. Konami gave Gamespot the week-long exclusive on the MGS2 demo as a consequence of the GS higher-ups lying in their teeth to gullible media relations people about their traffic numbers (as well as some other reasons that may or may not be true, and wouldn't be printable in either case), so we found ourselves a) kind of annoyed, and b) in need of something to draw some attention after being thoroughly scooped. So we sat around thinking of feature ideas, and Dave Z, being Dave Z, said "Hell, I'll just make a lot of movies of shooting people in the crotch."

The rest, as they say, is history.

Ivan's failing, for my money, is not a lack of professionalism or a lack of objectivity or a thin skin or any kind of stupid shit like that. Fuck objectivity anyway when you're writing for an audience of 12-year-old crack babies. My problem is that the humor's way too inside, ya know? Gimme a guy getting shot in the crotch any day.

DFS.
 
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Lord Error

Insane For Sony
You can't expect someone to like a game just because it's coming out for the system that you're covering. A professional reviewer will try to look past his personal preferences and give a fair scores based on what the game does right and wrong. So it may not get the 10+ that the fanboys are expecting but that's life. I don't mean to imply however that Ivan is acting professionally.
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I think that is the problem people have with him, actually (non-professionalizm and not giving such big game enough attention). Thought of a possible low score comes from those two observations.
 
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bobbyconover

Member
I don't care about any of this nonsense, but I did want to add that Ivan is possibly the worst writer IGN has ever had. That's really saying something.
 
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1337

Member
It's for the best to not be active on a forum when you are also crew on the frontpage in my humble opinion. Ivan Sulic made a funny article, but I'm wondering how long he can hold his position as editor of IGN. What if MGS3 is gonna score lower than the Halo 2 grade.... People will hate him even more.

By the way, why can't the leader be kicked if he has paid. Wouldn't it be smart for IGN to exclude all banned members from being IGN Insiders?
 
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cybamerc

Will start substantiating his hate
Marconelly said:
I think that is the problem people have with him, actually (non-professionalizm and not giving such big game enough attention). Thought of a possible low score comes from those two observations.
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I don't know when Ivan switched over to IGNps2 but it seems to me that there are plenty of MGS3 articles on PS2 so I don't get the complaint about lack of attention. Whether or not his bias will reflect upon the score I wouldn't know. The few times I've read something he wrote or said it's been pretty stupid but I honestly have no idea if he's a fair reviewer.
 
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