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IGNXbox Predicts the Future: Part 2
The crystal ball shows the fate of Xbox 2 in 2005.
By Hilary Goldstein & Douglass C. Perry

January 4, 2005 - Yesterday, we looked into our crystal ball to predict some of the major Xbox happenings for 2005. Today it goes a step further with a specific look at Xbox 2. While a prediction is never a certainty, we are confident in the following seven statements. These are not wishes, hopes, or wild fantasies. Each prediction is based upon inside knowledge from multiple sources and fleshed out by our understanding of Microsoft and the games industry.

The start of a new year seems the perfect time to take a look into the future of Xbox. We're not suggesting the events below may happen, we're saying that they will come to pass. According to IGNXbox (and our crystal ball) here are seven things to count on for Xbox 2 in 2005.



Xbox 2 debuts at GDC in March.

Xbox 2 Fall 2005 Launch
Microsoft has said nothing official about any "new system," but good word on the street is that Microsoft will not announce the system at CES, nor at E3. Instead, following tradition, it will announce its new system at the annual Game Developers' Conference, with one spanking new IP that is not a car crashing into a wall at high speeds. (God, we hope this prediction is right! One more car crashing sequence or XNA explanation and we're going to slit our wrists with a broken Bad Boys II game DVD.) All obviousness aside, Microsoft will indeed launch the Xbox 2, which may very well be called the Xenon when all is said and done, in November 2005.


Xbox 2 Launch Details
According to our sources, the system is said to be smaller than the first Xbox, less bulky, and is said to look somewhere in between the current Xbox and the PS2 Slim. The system will likely include an alternative for RF wireless controllers and Ethernet connections built into the system. And here's the biggie, it may have 30-40 games before the end of the year. If we remember correctly, the Dreamcast, and then the PS2, had the respective records on most games at launch. But Microsoft sees the launch window as about two months, as opposed to the launch day, which is only one 24-hour period. So, that big of a window seems more reasonable for such high numbers. Lastly, an emphasis will be placed on Microsoft's third parties, as opposed to its internal first-party games.


Xbox 2 to be like PSTwo?



Brute Force 2 is coming.

First-Party Sequels Galore
Microsoft set a precedent with releasing sequels every other year. With the exception of Halo 2, which took three years, Microsoft's popular first-party games have all had sequels two years after release (MechAssault 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, Amped 2). It seems logical, then, that we can expect a number of sequels to hit in 2005. Look for Brute Force 2, Amped 3, Crimson Skies 2, Top Spin 2, and Project Gotham Racing 3 before the end of the year. The question is, which system will these arrive on -- Xbox or Xbox 2? Expect a mixture with half on Xbox, half on Xbox 2 (as Microsoft must continue to support the original Xbox through 2005). PGR 3 seems destined as an Xbox 2 title, likely a launch title, as does Brute Force 2.



Dare we dream?

More Third-Party Support
In the early days, Microsoft learned that it might be a slow company to get things right, but that it always tried to correct its mistakes and errors in the next iteration, sequel, or whatever. You can see this progress in its Word and Windows launches, and we expect to see it with Xbox 2. So, in that light, the Xbox 2 will have a lot more third-party support, especially from Japanese companies. Though nothing is confirmed as of yet (actually not a single fact on Xbox 2 has been confirmed by Microsoft ever, including its very existence), expect to see Konami, Namco, Capcom and hopefully Square-Enix jump on board as the Xbox 2 owns the next-generation spotlight in its first year. Square-Enix is obviously the hardest company to get, but remember, Square and Enix jumped ship from Nintendo to PlayStation back in the day (using the medium as the reason), so count on some changes in this next generation. The real question is whether these Japanese companies will put their AAA titles on both system, as opposed to what they're doing now, which is AAA titles on PS2, A and B titles on Xbox.


Rarely On Time
Microsoft will finally announce the release of Perfect Dark Zero, but for Xbox 2. We predict it's going to be slated for a launch with the system (as one of the few first-party launch titles), but when it all comes down to it, Perfect Dark Zero will not make launch. Instead, it'll come out sometime in early winter of 2006. In fact, we're willing to predict that Kameo is secretly being made for Xbox 2 as well, and it too is slated for launch, or sometime thereafter. And it too will be delayed again. We hate to be so cynical (though admittedly it's kind of fun), but after a few burns, you just don't want to count on a game being on time. And with Rare, their pattern is almost always to be late. Love the games! Love them! But, they're not very often on time.


Microsoft's Success Forces Sony's Hand
Though the original Xbox never comes close to Sony's market share, the early launch of Xbox 2 causes Sony major concern. With numerous third-party developers in tow, including several Japanese developers, Xbox 2 has a strong launch. With momentum swinging in Microsoft's favor, Sony announces a Q1 2006 launch for PS3 in Japan. Rather than wait a half year for a U.S. and European launch, Sony ups the timetable by three months in an effort to maintain dominance in the marketplace. For the first time in many years, Sony is on the defensive.



Dinos shall rule the Earth again on Xbox 2.

Molyneux Makes Splash on Xbox 2
Peter Molyneux hasn't kept it secret that Fable 2 is an inevitability. While many have speculated on a "Fable 1.5" that would add a new area to explore through downloadable content, this is not going to happen. Instead, a sequel to Fable, featuring many of the ground-breaking elements that were left off the original version, should make its debut on Xbox 2 in 2006. We'll get our first look at this exciting sequel towards the end of 2005. Molyneux's other Xbox game, B.C. is also a certainty for Xbox 2. Remember that a sequel to B.C. was announced before the game was oddly cancelled for Xbox. What's the real deal? With B.C. facing another major delay, Microsoft and Intepid decided to meld the first B.C. with the planned Xbox 2 sequel. An early 2006 release is likely, but a showing, probably at X'05 in Europe, seems probable.



Chief's final journey won't happen in 2005.

Halo 3
It's our belief that Halo 3 will not ship with the launch of Xbox 2. It will instead launch in fall 2006 on Xbox 2, simultaneously with the release of PS3 and the Nintendo Revolution as a counter punch. Bungie will not cut corners to try and make launch only one year after Halo 2. It will buckle down and make a killer third game in the series, perhaps ending the series proper, while simultaneously working on a brand new franchise unrelated to Halo that's not a first-person shooter. We predict Bungie will make awesome sequel to Fusion Frenzy with Halo characters! WOOT! Just kidding. Really, just kidding.



With the predictions for the year out of the way, it's time to cover the hell out of Xbox and Xbox 2 for the rest of the year and see if we're really as smart as we think.

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/577/577402p1.html?fromint=1

me wants Halo 2 HD / Directors Cut / 2.5 whatever. me wants new Daytona from Sega with FULL System Link and LIVE gameplay. me wants Namco support. Tekken 5 upgrade?
Ninja Gaiden 2, DOA4, new Air Force Delta, Mech Assault 3, PGR3, Burnout 4....bring it on baby.
 
More Third-Party Support
In the early days, Microsoft learned that it might be a slow company to get things right, but that it always tried to correct its mistakes and errors in the next iteration, sequel, or whatever. You can see this progress in its Word and Windows launches, and we expect to see it with Xbox 2. So, in that light, the Xbox 2 will have a lot more third-party support, especially from Japanese companies. Though nothing is confirmed as of yet (actually not a single fact on Xbox 2 has been confirmed by Microsoft ever, including its very existence), expect to see Konami, Namco, Capcom and hopefully Square-Enix jump on board as the Xbox 2 owns the next-generation spotlight in its first year. Square-Enix is obviously the hardest company to get, but remember, Square and Enix jumped ship from Nintendo to PlayStation back in the day (using the medium as the reason), so count on some changes in this next generation. The real question is whether these Japanese companies will put their AAA titles on both system, as opposed to what they're doing now, which is AAA titles on PS2, A and B titles on Xbox.

Keep dreaming, IGNXbox.
 
so their prediction is this:

It'll come out this year, Sony will launch soon after in Japan, MS will have 3rd party support from Japan but it might not be their best stuff, MS will have sequals to popular games and Rare will delay their titles. THANKS FOR INFORMING ME IGN.. NO ONE could have come up with that on their own.
 
Squeenix on XBox2? It's a possibility, I guess... but it's also possible that the Denver Broncos will shut out the Indianapolis Colts next weekend-- it's just not very likely.
 
Lots of bullshit in this article. I can't believe they mention Crimson Skies 2 (team has been disbanded quite some time ago) and Amped 3. Especially Amped 3 since MS actually sold the studio just a few weeks ago...
 
Blimblim said:
Lots of bullshit in this article. I can't believe they mention Crimson Skies 2 (team has been disbanded quite some time ago) and Amped 3. Especially Amped 3 since MS actually sold the studio just a few weeks ago...
Actually, with one exception ALL of the games they list have either been cancelled or were never in production. Nice job staying on top of stuff IGN.
 
I don't like the way that article's written at all. Unless they specifically state it either way, you can't tell if they're speculating or actually know some things.

They contradict themselves too. Sony will launch a few months ahead of schedule (presumably schedule being November 2006, pushed up to August), yet Halo 2 launches Fall 2006 simultaneously with Sony's console? Whatever.
 
Blimblim said:
Lots of bullshit in this article. I can't believe they mention Crimson Skies 2 (team has been disbanded quite some time ago) and Amped 3. Especially Amped 3 since MS actually sold the studio just a few weeks ago...

wasnt the 'team' for that game a patchwork group thrown together at the last minute to make the game not suck completely anyway?
 
StoOgE said:
wasnt the 'team' for that game a patchwork group thrown together at the last minute to make the game not suck completely anyway?
I don't think it was that extreme. The main designer of the game was indeed sent somewhere else but the core team stayed more or less the same. It was not as bad as what X-Factor would have us believe by showing the empty offices.
 
Rhindle said:
Actually, with one exception ALL of the games they list have either been cancelled or were never in production. Nice job staying on top of stuff IGN.
True enough, I had also missed Top Spin 2. I don't know about Brute Force 2 though, the first one sold quite well so a sequel could be in the works. As for PGR3. Well... :)
 
Xbox 2, it has sequels all you're favorite Xbox games, but now with better graphics.


I can't believe I'm giving these guys $300 (thats a guess).
 
DrLazy said:
I can't believe I'm giving these guys $300 (thats a guess).

You actually raise an interesting point with the mention of $300.

Is that still considered to be the "ceiling" for a mainstream system, in terms of a prince point at launch?

If you consider 1985-present, the consoles that launched at more then $300 MSRP (3DO, Neo Geo, Saturn, CD-i) fared miserably at retail. However, with software prices expected to rise with the next generation of systems, would it also be acceptable to see hardware selling successfully for more than $300?
 
MS would have to have balls of steel and an ass kicking, drool worthy game line-up to even THINK about launching the system higher than $300.
 
StoOgE said:
so their prediction is this:

It'll come out this year, Sony will launch soon after in Japan, MS will have 3rd party support from Japan but it might not be their best stuff, MS will have sequals to popular games and Rare will delay their titles. THANKS FOR INFORMING ME IGN.. NO ONE could have come up with that on their own.
:lol exactly

:(@ign
 
Imagine Sega having a Panzer Dragoon Saga 2 / w PDs (Sega Saturn version) thrown in as a bouns cd for the XBox 2's Japanese and USA release?
 
you guys do realize not everyone that reads ign stays up to date on every single piece of videogame news that hits the forums? not everyone knows that rare is known for delays, or BC and kameo were mysteriously "delayed" and yes, some people do think halo3 WILL be a xbox2 launch title.

you god damn bastards have to complain about everything.
 
Dear Namco....please please PLEASE make a new Ridge Racer game for the Xbox2 with online play and force feedback support.

Thank you that is all.
 
"Dear Namco....please please PLEASE make a new Ridge Racer game for the Xbox2 with online play and force feedback support.

Thank you that is all."

Dear Mr Isamu-sama,

yes, we understand your concerns and agree with you. So taking your thoughts onboard, we have already started planning and coding - OPERATION FULL-AXEL RACE THRILL CYCLONE TOURNAMENT R, which despite having an "R" in the title will of course not tie in with Ridge Racer at all and will be programmed by monkeys (who only have one arm). After completion of Ridge Racers, the Ridge team are now back to "making the tea" duty for the next 3 years. Company rules are company rules, after all. But there will be other fantastic games coming out next year.... don't miss "Paul Phoenix Riverdance spectacular full pain terrakiller" - a card based turn based dance game with one of Tekken's favourite characters.

Yours sincerly,

A. Fukawitto
 
XS+ said:
Keep dreaming, IGNXbox.

Believe it or not - and much as I hate to back up speculative journalism - I know for a fact that almost all of that is completely true.

I guarantee that PS3 is being taken FAR LESS SERIOUSLY by the JAPANESE than Xenon is. Particularly by some of their major partners who have not been respected with the info they've needed for developing top teir product.
 
Rare on Xbox 2 - I don't believe that :D
Oh, Kameo for Xbox 2, I think this is correct.

Maybe we'll see some games from Canadian developers.
 
AniHawk said:
Fucking sweet.

You do have 20/20 vision right ? :D


Believe it or not - and much as I hate to back up speculative journalism - I know for a fact that almost all of that is completely true.

boutrosinit said:
I guarantee that PS3 is being taken FAR LESS SERIOUSLY by the JAPANESE than Xenon is. Particularly by some of their major partners who have not been respected with the info they've needed for developing top teir product.

Thats pretty hard to believe considering the current state of the xbox ?
 
I cant wait untill PS3 vs Xenon price wars start, im gonna be a crafty consumer next gen...


/me goes back to worshipping his Wario64 idol in the closet
 
Btw I've just been told that there will be something about Xenon tonight at the CES. Could be a small technical demo or just a few words from Bill Gates, my contact did not know the details. Nothing major like a game, release date, how the system will look or anything like that though.
 
Blimblim said:
Btw I've just been told that there will be something about Xenon tonight at the CES. Could be a small technical demo or just a few words from Bill Gates, my contact did not know the details. Nothing major like a game, release date, how the system will look or anything like that though.
does it start at 6:30PM? what timezone.... GMT -8:00? So it is like 3-4 o'clock in the morning here :(
 
Kanbee-san said:
You do have 20/20 vision right ? :D


Believe it or not - and much as I hate to back up speculative journalism - I know for a fact that almost all of that is completely true.

Thats pretty hard to believe considering the current state of the xbox ?

Which is what? Commercially successful within the targets and goals the Xbox company set out to achieve? Perfectly set up for online capabilities in a way consoles have not been before? Perfectly placed as a brand so the follow up console can gain immediate mindshare on release and be immediately online with a host of impressive launch titles ready (some of which are announced, and others which are talked about a lot with excitement among developers who share secrets)?

I don't work for M$, nor do I have any fanboy ties to any format. The above is plain fact.

Bear in mind that there are more talked about Xbox 2 games than PS3 games - not just in the press but within the development communities which are unnanounced. Add to that, Sony's credibility among publishers and developers taking a hit due to their poor handling of Online and their terrible handling of PSP development (though it will probably improve) and you have a company that publishers are now looking at more seriously before. Xbox has been a massive acheivement whether anyone likes it or not. If they can pull that level of growth and success off with the starting point they look to get with Xbox 2 (a much more advantageous starting point than before), they will clean fucking house and Sony will struggle to keep its number 1 platform status.

That's my 2 pence anyway.
 
boutrosinit said:
Which is what? Commercially successful within the targets and goals the Xbox company set out to achieve? Perfectly set up for online capabilities in a way consoles have not been before? Perfectly placed as a brand so the follow up console can gain immediate mindshare on release and be immediately online with a host of impressive launch titles ready (some of which are announced, and others which are talked about a lot with excitement among developers who share secrets)?

I don't work for M$, nor do I have any fanboy ties to any format. The above is plain fact.

Bear in mind that there are more talked about Xbox 2 games than PS3 games - not just in the press but within the development communities which are unnanounced. Add to that, Sony's credibility among publishers and developers taking a hit due to their poor handling of Online and their terrible handling of PSP development (though it will probably improve) and you have a company that publishers are now looking at more seriously before. Xbox has been a massive acheivement whether anyone likes it or not. If they can pull that level of growth and success off with the starting point they look to get with Xbox 2 (a much more advantageous starting point than before), they will clean fucking house and Sony will struggle to keep its number 1 platform status.

That's my 2 pence anyway.

I wasnt trying to sound bitchy or anything. I just cant fathom MS doing well in japan, there are just no games japanese gamers want to play bar a couple.
 
isamu said:
Dear Namco....please please PLEASE make a new Ridge Racer game for the Xbox2 with online play and force feedback support.

Thank you that is all.

dir microsoft.......please please PLEASE make a force feedback wheel for the xbox, otherwise i dont need a new ridge racer on xbox 2.
 
Kanbee-san said:
I wasnt trying to sound bitchy or anything. I just cant fathom MS doing well in japan, there are just no games japanese gamers want to play bar a couple.

True. This however, is changing.
 
boutrosinit said:
True. This however, is changing.
MS is actively trying to win (or buy) a big license in Japan. I know they would *LOVE* to get their hands on Winning Eleven / PES and are doing everything they can to do so.
Getting such a major franchise would be a tremendous help to get a big userbase in Japan.
 
Blimblim said:
MS is actively trying to win (or buy) a big license in Japan. I know they would *LOVE* to get their hands on Winning Eleven / PES and are doing everything they can to do so.
Getting such a major franchise would be a tremendous help to get a big userbase in Japan.

I dunno.. maybe trying to get DragonQuest exclusiv could be (or would be) a great help for MS in japan.
Seriously, MS need to be showing some greens and sway away some software from the sony stable, so that previously "Sony only"software now exists "only" on Xbox2... (thirdparty of course)
 
EndR said:
I dunno.. maybe trying to get DragonQuest exclusiv could be (or would be) a great help for MS in japan.
Seriously, MS need to be showing some greens and sway away some software from the sony stable, so that previously "Sony only"software now exists "only" on Xbox2... (thirdparty of course)
PS2 is the Winning Eleven + DVD system for a lot of japanese people. WE8 sold more than one million in just a few weeks. This is one the biggest franchise in Japan, and one that would be a very big selling point for Xbox Live too.
 
boutrosinit said:
I guarantee that PS3 is being taken FAR LESS SERIOUSLY by the JAPANESE than Xenon is.


OK, if you guarantee - from now on I expect JP developer support to be superior on the Xenon.
 
boutrosinit said:
Believe it or not - and much as I hate to back up speculative journalism - I know for a fact that almost all of that is completely true.

I guarantee that PS3 is being taken FAR LESS SERIOUSLY by the JAPANESE than Xenon is. Particularly by some of their major partners who have not been respected with the info they've needed for developing top teir product.

Dude, whatever. Who are you? Xbox is currently a COMPLETE JOKE in Japan. PS2 rules absolutely supreme, and you "guarantee" us that the Japanese are taking Xbox2 FAR MORE SERIOUSLY than PS3?

That's an even bigger pile of bullshit than IGN's wishful predictions.
 
Izzy said:
OK, if you guarantee - from now on I expect JP developer support to be superior on the Xenon.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not :)

Either way, it's going to be a battle of epic proportions next generation. I'm knee deep in this generation's great games already, but I still can't wait until the next.
 
DrLazy said:
Xbox 2, it has sequels all you're favorite Xbox games, but now with better graphics.


I can't believe I'm giving these guys $300 (thats a guess).


I can believe why I won't be giving them $/£300.




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