Has to be? Is there need if everything simply, in one way or other, is?
I'm talking to you, "Blarg"
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Has to be? Is there need if everything simply, in one way or other, is?
I'm talking to you, "Blarg"
Flame cover his tracks with mentions and explanations about isaac. Running comparetozipped.exe...
I dunno. Really a hard comparison in this case. The difference is rather different. What a beautiful sentence. I will just leave that there because it is so nice.
I imagine I'd vote Zipped over Flame based on this deep analysis.
I dunno. Really a hard comparison in this case. The difference is rather different. What a beautiful sentence. I will just leave that there because it is so nice.
I imagine I'd vote Zipped over Flame based on this deep analysis.
Hey there they are, the Bronx-vibes. Been wondering where they were all this game.
Could you see this being your final vote today? If not, who else are you considering?
If not Waffle, then any of the other three I just listed.
Zippedpinhead
Member
My conversations with isaacnukem and initial assessment still stood when I last got in thread a few hours before day end. Completely missed Day end due to taking my kids to an indoor park (my last post was hours prior to day end when I checked the thread that morning).
Are you asking why I didn't flip flop? I wasn't in thread so I didn't have a chance to even think about it. Would I? I don't know, especially because now I know that Isaacnukem really was just fooling around and my original argument with you and him was completely misread.
Honestly, rereading the whole day end is leaving me with new reads. Oceanicair's drive by vote and post at Day end is giving me sketch vibes. Also swamped. Getting a real scum vibe from her. Especially her defense and then pivot on her vote today so far.
She really lays into you but then pivots and drops a hot vote on Ri'Orius.
In fact I think I'll drop a vote on her to see is we can get more interaction.
vote: Swamped
Bronx and Zipped, what do you make of this then since you both are reading swamped.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I think she started with the whole catch up thing yesterday, it's largely why I gave it a pass. However, 2076 (her second to last post) she says Ri' is a blender. Then she gets asked about it, makes a joke (sensible, sensible). But then on first post of the new day she goes further into scum read territory.
Did him casting the last vote on someone we now know as town really put the scum vision on him? Just confusing to read and interpret. It could be just small post volume, but there could be something there. That's why my vote is there today. Pressure and time could cause scum to slip!
I'm sorry cabot, but that is really weak reasoning. If it was a town/town vote split, then scum could comfortably hide in either set of votes. In truth, you seem to just have a lot of faith in your reads.
I got bad vibes about the Isaac lynch last time specifically because a bunch of people driving it were on my scum list. In comparison, the people who had votes on you were Kawl and Isaac, who we know are town, splinter and kyan, who I generally think are town, and Swamped, who I don't have a strong read on yet.
Right now, my top scum are L_P, Kalor, and Bronx_Man, with Ri'Orius in the maybe scum list. Three of those people voted for Isaac. That doesn't mean I think you are scum, cabot, but it does mean I doubt your premise of where the scum votes were. However, your behavior at the starts of both day 2 and today has felt insincere.
I suppose as you mention in this post, you see I did at least have some kind of reasoning.
Yep, covering my tracks really well.
I think the cabot train is misguided and really feel like Ri' would be the best option. I'm not seeing the Swamped issues that some of y'all are talking about.
I suppose as you mention in this post, you see I did at least have some kind of reasoning.
Yep, covering my tracks really well.
I think the cabot train is misguided and really feel like Ri' would be the best option. I'm not seeing the Swamped issues that some of y'all are talking about.
Yeah, I did see the reasoning. Pls no track hiding.
Why would scum wait till 2 hours before day end to switch wagons off me?
Like killing active posters is the right play, scum want to control conversation.
Splinter wasnt wrong they also like not resolving situations, but they work together to control the game.
If scum want to kill you, they will just night-kill you, I imagine.
To clarify, I have generally read you as town, thanks to your activity and so forth. However, those moments that seem insincere make me second guess that, which makes you more of a null read. To be frank I am not convinced that you are town. There are people I think are scummier, who have not recieved as much attention from town that I am trying to shine a light on and generate discussion about. But you are in the range that I wouldn't oppose a lynch against you, even if I will not push it.
Hi Zipped :]
What pivot? I've made my thoughts on Ri perfectly clear. And I can have more than one scum-read at a time, I could definitely vote for cabot too. I'm looking at different avenues here.
This post was from the start of D3. It's fine by itself, but Zipped's posts from today don't really show any progression from this stance. So, it feels like Zipped just picked SkyOdin and Waffle, but never bothered to elaborate. Also, keep in mind that this Waffle read comes after the whole 'ignoring gossip message' thing (which tbh didn't convince me either). But everyone else was convinced she was town because of it, so it's curious that Zipped didn't elaborate on his Waffle scum read. Maybe he didn't want to get too deep into it.
Now this is probably nitpicking, but the 'dot dot dot's in his post don't fill me with confidence either.
This post comes after (although I couldn't find the question Blarg had directed to Zipped, someone help me out?). So Zipped has already forgotten about Sky and Waffle, his scum reads.
At least Zipped has been fairly consistent with his town read of Cabot. I would like to hear why you think Cabot is town though?
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I'm still feeling generally town on Sky, his vote for LP seems to have some sound reasoning behind it. LP is usually pretty quiet and it's hard to distinguish his town and scum plays, but in general LP's posts have seemed less involved than usual. I need to look over his posts again and see if I scumread them or not.
And now Bronx seemingly randomly scumreads me. Any reasons for this? It feels like you just named the names than people have been cursorily scumreading on D4. I do agree with the other three names you have there though.
And where is Blarg?
Looking at the end of D3, Blarg's lack of a vote is conspicuous (Bronx has explained his lack of a vote). He voted cabot and then unvoted him, a move I townread at the time (because I thought his indecisiveness had town vibes). I'd like him to come back and explain that.
What pivot? I've made my thoughts on Ri perfectly clear. And I can have more than one scum-read at a time, I could definitely vote for cabot too. I'm looking at different avenues here.
This post was from the start of D3. It's fine by itself, but Zipped's posts from today don't really show any progression from this stance. So, it feels like Zipped just picked SkyOdin and Waffle, but never bothered to elaborate. Also, keep in mind that this Waffle read comes after the whole 'ignoring gossip message' thing (which tbh didn't convince me either). But everyone else was convinced she was town because of it, so it's curious that Zipped didn't elaborate on his Waffle scum read. Maybe he didn't want to get too deep into it.
Now this is probably nitpicking, but the 'dot dot dot's in his post don't fill me with confidence either.
This post comes after (although I couldn't find the question Blarg had directed to Zipped, someone help me out?). So Zipped has already forgotten about Sky and Waffle, his scum reads.
At least Zipped has been fairly consistent with his town read of Cabot. I would like to hear why you think Cabot is town though?
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I'm still feeling generally town on Sky, his vote for LP seems to have some sound reasoning behind it. LP is usually pretty quiet and it's hard to distinguish his town and scum plays, but in general LP's posts have seemed less involved than usual. I need to look over his posts again and see if I scumread them or not.
And now Bronx seemingly randomly scumreads me. Any reasons for this? It feels like you just named the names than people have been cursorily scumreading on D4. I do agree with the other three names you have there though.
And where is Blarg?
Looking at the end of D3, Blarg's lack of a vote is conspicuous (Bronx has explained his lack of a vote). He voted cabot and then unvoted him, a move I townread at the time (because I thought his indecisiveness had town vibes). I'd like him to come back and explain that.
There's no reason for scum to kill cabot when he has been scum read by a lot of people and was sure to be a point of the conversation today. If we take the assumption cabot is town, scum will have no reason to ever kill him. Also, the longer cabot lives the more people here are gonna try and go with an easy target.
I'll take wild speculation over "bad vibes" any day.
My stance is "dunno."
Some people may honestly believe their "scumreads." Some may be using them as tools for pressure, manipulation, or to conceal the true source of their information.
I don't. I don't know what's going on. Cabot could be a hardworking, prolific townie (understandably wrong in some of his conclusions), or he could be a clever scum manipulating us into lynching our friends. isaac could've been a scum laying low, trying not to attract suspicion; turns out he was just a quiet town without much to say.
I don't believe in scumreads. I believe in strategy and vote patterns, but those are tough when we've had a TvT, a neutral dogpile, and now a Tv?. I'm tempted to lynch cabot just because if he flips scum we can make some deductions based on yesterday's votes, but I don't think he's any more likely to be scum than the mean, and I think Kyan is somewhat more likely than the mean.
If CCS pointed you at AB, it makes his decision to out himself way smarter. He can loudly proclaim his allegiance to Town while keeping mum and thus silently displaying his obedience to Scum. It's the perfect neutral play.
And now that we've seen exactly one night kill, which seems to have been directed in a Town-friendly way, and nobody's owning up to it? What else makes sense? Worst serial killer ever, another vig with a slow trigger finger, a JOAT?
I say we bandwagon on Kyan. Whoever's responsible for that N1 kill is vaguely Town-aligned, so presumably they'd out themselves and we can change wagons.
To be clear: I was never dedicated to either wagon, but I wholeheartedly believe someone had to die. And I'm paranoid about scum pulling a last-minute tie vote, which is readily accessible in 7-to-5. Plus seeing people follow me onto cabot put me on edge: thought it could've been the scum team coming to isaac's rescue. Turns out it wasn't.
I agree with that assessment. I just disagree with cabot's assumption that the mafia team's principle goal yesterday was to lynch him.
Ri'Orius, that wasn't really a good answer as to why we should suspect Kyanrute. You say that you like analyzing vote patterns and such rather than relying on gut reads, but you are not actually using those methods. You are just latching on to power role speculation and hoping that leads you to scum.
Just give me one reason to suspect Kyanrute of being scum other than CCS's actions. It can be a suspicious post, a vote you think is scummy, or anything else.
Just give me one reason to suspect Kyanrute of being scum other than CCS's actions. It can be a suspicious post, a vote you think is scummy, or anything else.
Agree. Ri'Orius, basing your suspicions on the fever dream role interactions on N1 isn't a strong look and reinforces my opinion that you are a good lynch target today. Worst case you're town, but a town person who is letting Blarg's theory be their guide... I guess there's worse losses we could have.
Honest mistake.
This theory needs one more lie from CCS to work and I don't think it has been brought up yet - the melon PM by CCS. Originally, CCS claimed that he did not know if his power could create additional scum kills. This was only clarified later. This missing detail somewhat troubles me, because it gives me the feeling that the case has not been thought out well enough by the parties voicing it.
Secondly, this detail was something that only CCS had access to. Scum had no sure way to know what caused the additional kill (assuming ofc that they were not the origin of it). Could've been CCS, could've been a vigi, could've been a SK. CCS and his ability was an enigma to scum as well. The lie itself thus wouldn't have been much of a trust builder, as CCS was holding all the cards to himself.
Finally, who was the person who was the most interested in if additional kills could be made? I was. The issue was clarified thanks to me. You are saying that I, as scum, assumed that CCS was lying about who he redirected me to and then used this knowledge to attack CCS. Mind you, this play in this context could very well lead into a scenario where CCS reveals the lie and says that he redirected me to AB. The play I did would thus lead into my own death. CCS would have had all the reasons to attack me after all, as I, by attacking him, was showing no sign of friendship from the scum team towards him.
had to mention it cuz otherwise blarg will steal it
he is mean like that
my theory
mine
ok
scummies, the next play is to use my theory against me
go deeper, watch inception together to get into the mood
"kyan did a dank gambit where he wanted to appear town by risking the possible ccs retaliation! his theory posts SPOOKED poor scared ccs from posting the truth as he knew he had no chance against this scum mastermind!"
man that is wild
scummies, the next play is to use my theory against me
go deeper, watch inception together to get into the mood
"kyan did a dank gambit where he wanted to appear town by risking the possible ccs retaliation! his theory posts SPOOKED poor scared ccs from posting the truth as he knew he had no chance against this scum mastermind!"
man that is wild
OceanicAir
Member
Since you think she's scum, do you think that she's getting much help from her teammates?
It's possible whoever killed AB was a jack-of-all-trades and doesn't want to reveal themselves until they're either spent or have big news to share. Or the person could have more kill shots and doesn't want to be hit or blocked by scum and they're saving their shots for some reason. Owning up to the killing wouldn't even by the person much town cred and would just paint a target for scum.
Is this the only thing that has you scumreading WaffleTaco?
We still have the gossip chat 'thing' as a plus and none of their posts really makes me feel negatively about them, so beyond leaving a joke vote, whatcha got?
I looked through your posts today and didn't see you ever mention your suspicion of Swamped? At least not on Day 4, what's gotten you on to this track?
Zippedpinhead
Member
I agree with Flame_AC, the swamped shade seems misplaced (unless you are just posting that you agreee with Cabot and myself with our assessments...
Swamped, I've been busy with classes today 😓
So you'd say you were swamped with your classes?
The extent of what I said was just saying "Maybe Swamped" on a scum list that Cabot asked me to post yesterday. Compared to other people that suspicion is mild, especially now that they've caught up. However considering that a minor suspicion is there, it's worth it for me to consider that when voting for someone that she voted for.
Fair enough I suppose. If it wasn't Ri'Orius, who'd be the next train you'd hop on? And what puts Ri' over the edge compared to 2nd place?
Whoops, Kalor was not supposed to be in this list that is totally my bad, but I stand firm in my beliefs that splinter, blarg.
Splinter is super active the first hours of the day only to usually be afk when the votes matter, and Blarg is kind of the same way. They draw quick attention and then disappear only to return the next day. As for the others kyan & LP a few have stated their reasons, I myself am not for certain where I stand on them yet...
Subtle defense of their gossip chat 'friend'? I would like to see some more from you OA, your one post today was pretty solid but give us something more. Drop a vote on someone, give us a top 2/3 scum and top 2/3 town. (Oh and my earlier questions in post 2230)
Okay sure, Kalor was an accident. On your italics, I want your reasons, not you just saying other people have stated certain opinions. Besides, whose opinions? Mine? Blarg's? Also, Blarg hasn't posted once I believe today.
On your bolded, if you aren't where you stand on them, why make this post earlier today:
So out of your list of your top 5 scum candidates, one was a mistake (Kalor). Two were legitimate enough I suppose (Splinter/Blarg), and two seem to be filler who you're not even sure on and then you throw off the need to give reasons by referencing the 'others'.
Like I posted after that post, my theory doesn't work today because they both haven't been posting much. As for LP & kyan I'm questioning them, so I'm not certain.
I would like to add why do you seem to be so interested in defending those last two??? Now that in itself is quite suspicious, maybe I gotta over look the people I think are scum...
On italics, I didn't see that cause I started typing the second I saw the post I quoted.
Vote: Zeusy
What I find interesting is that you didn't actually answer any of my questions and instead try to shift the 'scum' on me in an attempt to... I dunno, make me move my focus to someone else? Nope, you've got my attention now.
On the bolded, what changed in the past 15 hours to go from 2 of your top 4 scum, to "questioning them, so I'm not certain". Why would they have been your top scum just a few hours ago and now their not?
On your 'attack' on me, I don't think you see that I'm not actually defending LP/Kyan, just asking you a question. Look at my reads list from late Day 3 as its still reasonably accurate. I'd love to be able to lynch LP for their 'rush' to the 10 post requirement, and Kyan hasn't really been in my camp, nor me in his at all this game. So I'm not defending them, and your sudden defensiveness speaks volumes.