InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...

To explain the final 1/3 of d3 or so, I wanted to look for alternatives for cabot but for some weird reason, slept pretty much most of the final real time day and woke with a rather lovely hangover. Suffice to say, I wasn't in the mood for much reading back then but I thought it was my civic duty to at least show up and drop a vote.
 
...alright! After carefully cross-examining the Daily vote counts, after the past 5000 weeks I can safely say I've reached an accord with myself and you should too:

melonrabbit said:
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The inFAMOUS players

01. [f] WaffleTaco - New – CST
02. [m] Zeusy - New – PST
03. [m] Ri'Orius – PST
04. [m] OceanicAir – CST
05. [m] TheGoddamn - UTC+8 [f] Swamped
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2
09. [m] Bronx-Man – EST
10. [m] SkyOdin – PST
12. [m] cabot - GMT+1
13. [m] Blargonaut – GMT
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy – PST
17. [m] *Splinter – GMT
20. [m] Zippedpinhead – EST
21. [m] Flame_AC – EST
22. [m] Kalor – BST
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15 PLAYERS REMAINING.

TOWN (11/15)
WAFFLETACO
ZEUSY
OCEANICAIR
BLARGONAUT
LONE_PRODIGY
SWAMPED
*SPLINTER
KYANRUTE
ZIPPEDPINHEAD
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MAFIA (4/15)
CABOT
FLAME_AC
RI'ORIOUS
SKYODIN

NON-ENTITIES I DON'T KNOW WTF ABOUT, SO AM THINKING ARE TOWN
-KALOR
-BRONX-MAN
 
so I'm going against two of my team members and the remaining one has said he's pro-me so many times it sort of feels like he's in love with me.
 
Flame_AC said:
Ri'Orius is a likely scum candidate and has had my vote at one point today, if they are the one who goes then I'd be perfectly happy. Look at the past few pages, Blarg, cabot, and Splinter going at it incessantly. They've made various ultimatums, self-votes, and been generally aggressive towards one another. This will continue to dominate the discussion tomorrow if it goes unchecked. I, like you think there's a decent chance it's all town in the group of 3, hence my vote not yet being there, but we as a town need to solve this issue before it dominates any more of the game.

Don't forget scum Zeusy in all this either.
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Flame_AC said:
To be fair, I don't actually want you to be the one lynched today, it was meant as a joke. Killing you and leaving Blarg/cabot to argue another day doesn't help any of us. I don't want to leave all those people you suspect, I want to get more information. I'm pro cabot currently, anti Ri and to a lesser extent Zipped, and still kinda okay on Sky.

I feel like you and I can both agree that if both cabot/Blarg are alive tomorrow, we're just gonna have this argument again. So I can see why the cabot lynch makes sense and I won't hold it against you all.
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I don't really like how you swing from Splinter thunderdome to it was just a joke here. And if they are all town then voting one of them out to satisfy a tunneler is not helpful to town at all.
Blargonaut said:
What? I didn't start it, cabot did. Probably to save scum!Ri'Orious too. I've scumread them for ages, and nobody cared about my unvote until I got back.
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Did ever answer why you removed your vote? I'm pretty sure you refusing to answer it caused the back and forth to go far longer than it had any business too. And you and Ri'Orius both unvoting cabot towards day end played a part in saving him despite your both your misgivings of him.
Blargonaut said:
OceanicAir's complete un-transparency regarding his Gossip chat is not pro-Town. I see no reason for you to withhold details of that chat's activity. At least give us the gist of the discussion going on there, before it's too late.

After Kawl's death, OceanicAir is the closest we have to a confirmed Town through Zeusy's and Waffle's corroboration of his Gossip chat and invites claim. Hiding the discussion will not help anyone, because scum-hunting is done here by the majority and not in a private fortress manned by only 3 people. We need your conclusions here.

Zeusy and Waffle, please share. Honestly, I need more info on you two because I find both of your playstyles, vote-sheeping and below-the-radar respectively, to be extremely Mafia-like. By virtue of your mutual acknowledgement of your Gossip chat, you combined three could be a bunker of an asset to Town if you had just engaged more with the others.
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I'm 99% sure there are no thoughts placed there that haven't been echoed here, Zeusy thinks you're scum as he's said before and waffle is just off to me with her statements as I said before. And if there is something hot like a scum slip or a PR reveal I'd handle it properly. Also, I don't need a dang keeper to keep pestering me about a miserably short gossip thread.

Swamped said:
Can someone point me to if OA has offered any reads on Waffle or Zeusy? He probably knows them best given the chat. I just can't recall any off the top of my head.
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I'm mostly fine with Zeusy at the moment, others concern me far more. Main reason I'm not saying waffle is scum is because of the gossip chat mixup. If not for that, I'd have voted her out long ago. She talks about town in such a detached manner and is general mafia stuff instead of more concrete opinions. She even made a post like that here today.
 
MAFIA (4/15)
CABOT
readme.txt

FLAME_AC
Feels too supportive and eager to mingle with everybody to the point of seeming like empty selfish networking. Supports cabot.

RI'ORIOUS
Likes to jump his vote between a Day's Thunderdome pairs, keeping himself swapping across the two majors too much. More like interference than indecisiveness.

SKYODIN
Tends to keep his distance from the major bandwagons, and if he does participate in one, he just sits there like he did with CCS.
 
He did, OA:

Blargonaut said:
My efforts were going nowhere so I ragequitted cabot to make my point.
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To which I debunked in this post, click through for quotes:

cabot said:
OK, let's go through this shit again.



reaction to splinter voting me after I called him out for not voting me even though he scumread me



unvotes



isaac 3-2 me, Blarg doesn't post again.

Day ends after shenanigans and Isaac dies.


My dying was far from lost at the point you unvoted.
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Blargonaut said:
"debunked" is a rich choice of word for your repeated ignoring of my engagement with that
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What engagement you said the quoted then you denied unvoting didn't contribute to saving me.

Which makes no sense.

I'm surprised swamped didn't really comment on that
 
cabot said:
I'm surprised swamped didn't really comment on that
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Swamped said:
And where is Blarg?

Looking at the end of D3, Blarg's lack of a vote is conspicuous (Bronx has explained his lack of a vote). He voted cabot and then unvoted him, a move I townread at the time (because I thought his indecisiveness had town vibes). I'd like him to come back and explain that.
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Actually I did comment way back this day phase. I've only skimmed through the recent chat, but not happy with Blarg's evasiveness so far. So far I still town read him though. I do think that if him and Ri were scum together, Blarg would be fighting harder to save Ri, and he's doing the opposite here. Doesn't say much about Blarg, but Ri's flip would illuminate some things. Namely, if Ri is scum I'd feel much better about Blarg and kalor too, who's been clamoring for Ri's death for a while now.

Zippedpinhead said:
I don't think any of you could convince me to swap my vote off swamped today. I think she is scum, and I really do think that Cabot and Blarg are town.
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You're just determined to stay out of the voting fray.
 
cabot said:
He did, OA:



To which I debunked in this post, click through for quotes:
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So he only gave up on you because he was fed up? Why not do it again today? Really made his point there with a couple sighs.

Anyways,

vote: Ri'Orius


Things would be clearer for me if he's gone. Not doing a lot to defend himself either.
 
I'd rather see Ri lynched today just due to the fact that they're a more consistent person in people's scum lists. Other people such as Cabot have more people divided over them regarding their alignment and while their lynch may provide information on people, Ri'Orous's actions just fits the bill of a scum player a lot more.
 
OceanicAir said:
I'm mostly fine with Zeusy at the moment, others concern me far more. Main reason I'm not saying waffle is scum is because of the gossip chat mixup. If not for that, I'd have voted her out long ago. She talks about town in such a detached manner and is general mafia stuff instead of more concrete opinions. She even made a post like that here today.
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Something that would've been toned down by her team mates telling her to change up.

Not really against your point, but just something to think about in regards to Waffle being scum vs neutral/town
 
Well, it looks like most other prople town read Lone_Prodigy for meta reasons that I find unfathomable. I am not going to waste my time tilting at windmills, so I might as well make a vote that will have more impact on the game.

Right now, Ri'Orius is in the clear lead, and I can't really disagree. His odd vote switch at the last minute on day 3 stands out. His reasons for voting for Kyanrute were also based on massive reaches in logic that he borrowed from other players.

The push to lynch isaacnukem at the last minute does feel like it is our best lead to finding scum right now. For the most part, it was probably a big bandwagon of undecided townies who were looking for an alternative to lynching cabot. However, that is the perfect environment for scum to hide in.

There are other people I have been suspicious about, such as Bronx and Kalor. And I still have my suspicions about L_P, but I am comfortable with a Ri'Orius lynch.

Vote: Ri'Orius
 
WaffleTaco said:
It looks like the people have spoken.

vote: Ri'Orius
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Waffle... do you think Ri'Orius has been acting scummy, or are you just following everyone else?

Isaacnukem listed you as one of his top four scum picks right before he was lynched. Because of the gossip chat incident, I have generally considered you town. However, your eagerness to follow the pack did help result in the lynch of Isaacnukem, a townie.
 
About this "triangle" thing: I dislike grouping players. Not only is the timing poor (you do this D1 when much is unknown, not D4), it creates a false sense of better scum hunting odds. "1 out of 3 is way better than 5 out of 30", one might say. But why those 3 in particular, and what is the chance that even 1 of those 3 is scum?
 
swamped (1)
cabot 2134 (2284)
zippedpinhead 2208

lone prodigy (0)
skyodin 2138 (2527)

kyanrute (1)
ri'orius 2139

ri'orius (7)
flame_ac 2143 (2250)
swamped 2168
kalor 2237
kyanrute 2287
cabot 2478
oceanicair 2518
waffletaco 2524
skyodin 2527

cabot (2)
*splinter 2156
blargonaut 2347 (2406)
blargonaut 2481

waffletaco (1)
bronx-man 2203

zeusy (1)
flame_ac 2250

skyodin (0)
cabot 2284 (2401)
cabot 2475 (2478)

blargonaut (0)
cabot 2401 (2475)
blargonaut 2406 (2481)

zippedpinhead (1)
zeusy 2459

8 votes for majority, bear assumes
 
SkyOdin said:
Who is your pick then? You spent most of the first few days targeting isaacnukem, correct? Who are your current top scum?
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My votes on swamped. She is my top scum. I also have a strong scum read on waffletaco. I'm sure there are more than 2 scum but I'm not entirely sure who (might be oceanicair, might be you, might be kyan, could be any or even all of those just not as strong a read as those other two...)
 
Zippedpinhead said:
My votes on swamped. She is my top scum. I also have a strong scum read on waffletaco. I'm sure there are more than 2 scum but I'm not entirely sure who (might be oceanicair, might be you, might be kyan, could be any or even all of those just not as strong a read as those other two...)
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I might have missed you saying this but do you think scum Waffle would ignore the gossip chat? Scum waffle could use it to try to gain favor with everyone else in it.
 
cabot said:
He seems to accept one of you/I/Splinter will die, but I don't think he scumreads any of us. That's weird.
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I do accept it, and I've tried to argue against it, at least the most popular option. I think all three of you are town, with Blarg perhaps being the most likely neutral/scum, though that's probably just because of the way he plays.

I think Zeusy is scum, I think Ri' has a reasonably high chance of being scum (I was their first vote today after all). After those two it's not as certain.

The way it looks like right now, none of you three will die and now we'll all just have to hope there isn't as much bickering tomorrow. Just because I thought at the time one of the three would die, doesn't mean I support it.
 
Blargonaut said:
Flame I honestly have no idea why you're supporting cabot. Mr. x-shotOdd Commuter claiming all for the sake of pinning down CCS

Mr. Oops-my-Neutral-tunnel-was-pro-scum-after-all

Mr. But-I'd-do-it-again-please-kill-me

Mr. I-can't-BELIEVE-I'm-still-alive-please-kill-me-but-here-are-my-reads-for-you-to-kill-first

Mr. Not-confirmed-Town-if-you-scumread-me-you're-scum

FYI, these are all the same person, Flame
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Yes, those things look bad. But I'm looking at the play beyond the 'claims' and I feel okay with cabot. Sometimes we throw our lots in a bad boat, this might even be one of those times, but right now I'm still pro-cabot.
 
Kalor said:
I might have missed you saying this but do you think scum Waffle would ignore the gossip chat? Scum waffle could use it to try to gain favor with everyone else in it.
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I do, it's part of the reason why I think he is more scummy, he is a relatively new player and I know from love boat and WDIOTL that juggling two threads (let alone three) is really tough. Rest of scum team might have recommended he just take a passive role in there and see if he can glean another role from the chat without posting much or accidentally cross posting from one OG thread into another.
 
It wouldn't really help a scum in the gossip chat to know of a role would it? The other member of the gossip chat could then just tell us that the person that died the night before had claimed in their gossip group and was then killed/blocked, incriminating the other person.
 
Normally, scum distribution would range from fairly active to barely active. Here though, the pool of actives is small (made smaller by the dead confirmed townies) so I'm unsure of how the scum are making their kills. It's those confirmed, safe targets that make it hard to establish a pattern.
 
Zippedpinhead said:
I do, it's part of the reason why I think he is more scummy, he is a relatively new player and I know from love boat and WDIOTL that juggling two threads (let alone three) is really tough. Rest of scum team might have recommended he just take a passive role in there and see if he can glean another role from the chat without posting much or accidentally cross posting from one OG thread into another.
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With the activity that it apparently has I'm sure that she could throw a post in there every once in a while. I understand your point but I think scum would want to take full advantage of it.
 
Kalor said:
With the activity that it apparently has I'm sure that she could throw a post in there every once in a while. I understand your point but I think scum would want to take full advantage of it.
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Fair enough, i was big on misinformation last Day phase. I guess I hadn't thought of that.

Still doesn't change my swamped scum read.
 
Zippedpinhead said:
My votes on swamped. She is my top scum. I also have a strong scum read on waffletaco. I'm sure there are more than 2 scum but I'm not entirely sure who (might be oceanicair, might be you, might be kyan, could be any or even all of those just not as strong a read as those other two...)
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I mean I do agree with you somewhat with Swamped, just not enough to switch from Ri.
Flame_AC said:
I do accept it, and I've tried to argue against it, at least the most popular option. I think all three of you are town, with Blarg perhaps being the most likely neutral/scum, though that's probably just because of the way he plays.

I think Zeusy is scum, I think Ri' has a reasonably high chance of being scum (I was their first vote today after all). After those two it's not as certain.

The way it looks like right now, none of you three will die and now we'll all just have to hope there isn't as much bickering tomorrow. Just because I thought at the time one of the three would die, doesn't mean I support it.
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Why do you keep pushing this thunderdome narrative? You've vastly overstated the bickering between the 3 (you've even admitted it is only really two of them going at it) especially with how empty half the arguments were.

Zippedpinhead said:
I do, it's part of the reason why I think he is more scummy, he is a relatively new player and I know from love boat and WDIOTL that juggling two threads (let alone three) is really tough. Rest of scum team might have recommended he just take a passive role in there and see if he can glean another role from the chat without posting much or accidentally cross posting from one OG thread into another.
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*She

I mean it's a possibility, but the confusion felt genuine when I accused her. Coasting is one thing, but why pretend that she never got it all?
 
OceanicAir said:
*She

I mean it's a possibility, but the confusion felt genuine when I accused her. Coasting is one thing, but why pretend that she never got it all?
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OMG!! I am so sorry Waffletaco. That will not happen again.

Melon,

Can I have permission to change that post and correct the misuse of pronouns?
 
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