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Injustice 2 Roster Discussion & Speculation Thread
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Blam
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It doesn't matter this time around, I'm actually pretty sure someone setup a bot to quick redeem these codes. I'm only saying this because I OCR'd the code myself and even that was too slow.
That makes me feel about 1% better, but it is something. I've said it before, but I really wish they had said this beta would be closed from the jump.
pock3tmonster
Banned
You're a Teacher as well, Tace?
Blam
Member
I mean yeah I know what you mean this should have been a completely closed beta not a semi-open beta with a chance of beta keys.
Considering we know Mr. Freeze has a skin and he hasn't been announced with any of the DLC so far I think we'll get some premiere skins in game.
Mr. Freeze is so weird to me. I keep going back and forth mentally on whether he'll be a premier skin or a unique character. (I know ZeroX03 said he isn't a character, and while I don't think he's a liar, I also don't have any reason to believe him without evidence. I'm taking what he says with a grain of salt.)
- If the leak is complete then Mr. Freeze would be the only character change premier skin on the disc, which is strange.
- Flash and Reverse-Flash are archenemies, Hal and John are both Green Lanterns, and Power Girl is Supergirl from a different Earth. Captain Cold and Mr. Freeze are from completely different series.
- NRS seems to enjoy designing two takes on a similar theme (Superman/Supergirl, Catwoman/Cheetah, Swamp Thing/Poison Ivy), so I don't think having two ice characters would necessarily be overkill. Captain Cold and Mr. Freeze are both incredibly iconic characters.
- Stage interactions are a big part of Injustice, and Mr. Freeze has super strength whereas Captain Cold doesn't. I can't visualize Freeze leaping off of cars like an acrobat.
- While Mr. Freeze has used a smaller gun before, the image that comes to mind when I think of the character is a human tank slowly stomping around with a big freeze cannon. I think of Captain Cold as being an agile zoner with quick strings, whereas I think of Mr. Freeze as being an in-your-face powerhouse with command grabs and super armor. He'd use his freeze beam to get in close and then take off large chunks of health.
LordOfLore
Banned
I was coming here to just post this now
. I know it's a Beta so it had to end at some point but I do wish we knew a little sooner haha. I'm counting down the days until I go back to... real life? Fuck. On the topic of Mr. Freeze, personally I believe he will end up being a mobile unlock skin. If the character select screen on the roster is correct and there are 28 (not counting Darkseid) then without Mr. Freeze, we would hit that number.Batman
Superman
Brainiac
Aquaman
Blue Beetle
Supergirl
Atrocitus
Wonder Woman
Deadshot
Harley Quinn
Robin
Gorilla Grodd
Green Lantern
The Joker
Catwoman
Scarecrow
Doctor Fate
Green Arrow
Black Canary
Firestorm
Cyborg
Swamp Thing
Black Adam
Cheetah
Captain Cold
Poison Ivy
Bane
The Flash
The leaked roster is 27 without Mr. Freeze or Darkseid.
pock3tmonster
Banned
I know not everyone has had a chance to experience the closed Beta, but it couldn't run forever. There had to be an end point. NRS did mishandle the beta codes and should have limited them to those who registered to save face, but given there was no limit on the number of times people could register using different email addresses, it was never going to result in a fair distribution.
I just typed out the whole roster because I've been thinking about it so much lately and my OCD kicked in. Unless I have a duplicate up there, it's 28 without Darkseid? I also just woke up but look at the list I wrote lol.
pock3tmonster
Banned
28 actually. Darkseid makes 29.
28, actually (29 with Darkseid).
Not necessarily, for all we know there's more or freeze could be separate DLC from the season pass, Darkseid was never mentioned so there could be console ones that later get patched into the mobile or vice-versa.
Yes but they have very similar motifs even if they come from different universes. For example, I would expect Heat Wave and Firebug to be skins of each other over separate characters even if they come from a different universe.
Yeah but we're supposed to get Sub-zero as well.
Mr.Freeze has had several suits and designs of varying sizes and weapons are the same. If they got with a smaller design, which they'd have to to fit Cold, I could see a more compact version of the suit.
CommandThrower
Member
Eh, whatever. They didn't add Grodd anyway.
Look, for like the third time, I said he's not a character currently. He was not among the playable characters I saw but I didn't say he was completely out or definitely a skin. What I've seen matches the leaked list (28 + Darkseid) excluding Freeze. I was right about Cheetah and Catwoman, which is the only thing I said for sure.
What all do you know that hasn't been leaked already? Any premium skins or DLC?
I'm not trying to antagonize you, I just wanted to talk about Mr. Freeze without someone using your posts as an outright deconfirmation.
No.
I've made it very clear that I wasn't 100% on Freeze.
That said, I don't think he's unique, they'd really be pushing it to not be testing him at this point.
While I fully acknowledge Sub-Zero as a likely addition, I wouldn't treat Ed Boon's Twitter poll as gospel. We could just as easily get Liu Kang or Shao Kahn or Shang Tsung or anyone else from MK. I remember people acting like Power Girl was a shoo-in for the first game because she won a Boon Twitter poll, but we ended up getting the loser (Batgirl) instead.
The only thing that really matters is what excites the staff. Even as recently as MKXL, we got Triborg, Bo' Rai Cho, and Leatherface instead of highly requested characters like Fujin and Rain. Maybe the designers don't want to add another ice character after Captain Cold and have a really interesting idea for some other MK character.
In my opinion I personally deduced it as a deconfirmation but Zero very carefully (and fairly) did not deconfirm him haha. Which is actually good because it would suck if I told people what I know to be nice and then by some chance if things changed, people would discredit you and personally attack you (been on the receiving end of that). If Mr. Freeze is a unique character then it would be a huge mistake to withhold him this long from testing unless he's a DLC character. Personally since PG, Reverse Flash, and John Stewart who were all on the leaked list were confirmed to be premium skins, and the only odd man out is Mr. Freeze, considering its a mobile game leak I believe he will be a mobile unlock. Or potentially a separate tournament skin purchase kind of like that scorpion one in MKX where all the money went to funding tournaments. I agree with you though about Freeze being a more bulky character but then again look at the transformation they've given Scarecrow.
"WHAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS?!!!"
Yeah, my gut's telling me that Mr. Freeze will be a premier skin (it's the more obvious conclusion), but I could just as easily see him as a unique character. It's really going to bug me seeing Mr. Freeze interact with stage objects like a gadget user instead of using his strength to throw everything.
I know, but some characters jump off of heavy objects and others throw them. Captain Cold will likely fall into the former camp, meaning Mr. Freeze (as a skin) will as well.
Just imagine the Batman and Robin movie, with Arnold Schwarzenegger jumping around like Chris O'Donnell.
No, I'm saying everyone is super strong but they still jump off things so it's not a stretch to see freeze like that. I mean, Raven was a "gadget" character while GL, Sinestro, Hawkgirl, and Lex were power users.
The gadget and power classifications are more in line with traditional canon, ignoring the Superman pill stuff. Raven was a gadget character because she doesn't traditionally have super strength in the comics. Raven throwing a car would be weird. If Mr. Freeze had the option of throwing a car on his enemy or doing a flip off of it, he'd throw it, which is why him being a gadget character would seem strange to me.
She is akin to GL and Sinestro using their powers to lift things. You say if Freeze had the option he'd do that, I would assume 80 percent of the people in the Injustice-lore with the option to flip off a car or throw it would throw it. Joker would definitely be throwing cars and watching them explode.
Also, re-watching the Lines Redrawn trailer I really have to assume Bane gets a visual difference when he uses his venom.
You're right but remember with Scarecrow he's
listed as a metahuman and very likely dead
I'm saying if Freeze had the option of throwing a car or jumping off it outside of Injustice, he'd throw it. The Injustice move sets are designed in line with more traditional interpretations of the characters -- the characters who are super strong outside of Injustice's story show it in their animations and those who aren't don't. Batman and Harley aren't lifting people up over their heads and throwing them whereas characters like Superman are. The story is there for those who want it, but it doesn't really affect the gameplay.
My point is that Flash and Reverse-Flash, Hal and John, and Supergirl and Power Girl would all interact with stage objects the same way even if they weren't skins, but Cold and Freeze wouldn't. It's not a game-breaker or anything -- I just find it aesthetically awkward.
Not surprised this is the last weekend of the Beta. Glad they let it run through the weekend at least. Unfortunately they mishandled the Beta access and messaging.
The beta pretty much confirmed my expectation that I won't enjoy playing in gear-on vs mode. I really dislike the concept of an un-even playing field in fighting games and this was as expected. It just didn't feel fun to me because if I had a huge advantage in stats or a defecit, it never really felt like the wins were properly earned by either player.
I had some matches where my power and health were much higher the the other players, and still won close. It didn't feel satisfying. I felt like I should have lost. Same if flipped and I lost close. I just don't see it having legs because I think it will lead to frustration. If they made a good-single player mode for leveling up gear, it could be OK for that. I do really like the different costume piece idea visually.
The most interesting part was having access to new moves, and I would like to see that available somehow in a gear-off mode without the stat boosts. It almost feels like the MKX style choices, but only half-implemented. I'll be curious to see what they do with this.
The beta pretty much confirmed my expectation that I won't enjoy playing in gear-on vs mode. I really dislike the concept of an un-even playing field in fighting games and this was as expected. It just didn't feel fun to me because if I had a huge advantage in stats or a defecit, it never really felt like the wins were properly earned by either player.
I had some matches where my power and health were much higher the the other players, and still won close. It didn't feel satisfying. I felt like I should have lost. Same if flipped and I lost close. I just don't see it having legs because I think it will lead to frustration. If they made a good-single player mode for leveling up gear, it could be OK for that. I do really like the different costume piece idea visually.
The most interesting part was having access to new moves, and I would like to see that available somehow in a gear-off mode without the stat boosts. It almost feels like the MKX style choices, but only half-implemented. I'll be curious to see what they do with this.
lucebuce12
Member
They've confirmed that gear in Ranked mode only affects looks. Everyone is on an even playing field in that mode. And you'll most likely get gear off of playing that mode too.
I do agree that I'd like to see a "gear affects abilities and looks but not stats" mode.
I do agree that I'd like to see a "gear affects abilities and looks but not stats" mode.
Yeah, I know. I'm glad they're doing that. I think the thing that irks me is that there are additional moves stuck in gear-on mode. If they were doing that, I'd almost rather they do it MKX style across the board.
lucebuce12
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I edited my post a bit too late, but I agree with you. Problem with the system that they have is that it adds a lot of depth but it won't to Ranked Mode or to tournament play.
The only way that could work is if all the abilities were unlocked from the get go and usable. But sadly they didn't go for that, for whatever reason
Would have been great for competitive play IMO, with different people having straight up different variations on the character.
Here's hoping for an interesting single-player mode that makes better use of the gear system than simply 1v1. Although some of the extra moves are tools that might not be as useful vs the CPU.
I also can't wait for the real release so I can practice combos. I could barely hit any in the beta to save my life. I kept flubbing the full-screen Canary scream dash/roll into b3 startup incessantly. It was funny in some matches to keep missing it constantly and still win. I haven't played the first in so long, I couldn't get used to meter burn combos at all. I kept forgetting it was a thing. Another reason when I did win, it felt cheap.
I also can't wait for the real release so I can practice combos. I could barely hit any in the beta to save my life. I kept flubbing the full-screen Canary scream dash/roll into b3 startup incessantly. It was funny in some matches to keep missing it constantly and still win. I haven't played the first in so long, I couldn't get used to meter burn combos at all. I kept forgetting it was a thing. Another reason when I did win, it felt cheap.
I'm in the "there should be an abilities on mode" camp. Something I've noticed (and I could be dead wrong about) is that with the new characters we've had access to in the beta, they seem to have fewer special moves than I remember characters having in Injustice:GAU. Even in comparison to legacy characters. I feel like some moves I've seen that are abilities should really be apart of the characters arsenal regardless of gear. So far, balancing seems to be quite well done though. None of the 6 characters we've played really feel that bad, or like they're shit tier on comparison to the other characters and I'm impressed by that.
GotchaForce
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I edited my post a bit too late, but I agree with you. Problem with the system that they have is that it adds a lot of depth but it won't to Ranked Mode or to tournament play.
The only way that could work is if all the abilities were unlocked from the get go and usable. But sadly they didn't go for that, for whatever reason
Would have been great for competitive play IMO, with different people having straight up different variations on the character.
Yeah, seems like a big waste. They want people to play the game (and I'm guessing micro dlc for quick unlocks will be revealed near launch) to get gear/new moves but if they have a mode where it's all unlocked it undermines that. But locking out abilities undermines tournaments, at least the full potential of characters and what they've been working on.
If someone wanted to put in a lot of work, maybe they could do a code systems like MK3. You do some button combinations after you pick a character, and when they appear they have the gear/abilities you want. Try to keep it on the sly, haha.
They said microtransactions won't let you buy gear and stuff like that.
They're not stupid.
I hate that Superman has an ugly MMA punch by default and that the more "Superman-y" moves are locked away as abilities. I'm fine with modified versions of existing attacks being abilities (like the electric Batarang), but I don't like that NRS is animating brand new moves from scratch and then hiding them away as optional gear pieces. The default versions of the characters should be as fleshed out and representative of the source material as possible.
GringoSuave89
Banned
Still surprised WB didn't push them for it. They probably had dollar signs in their eyes when they saw the gear system.
This is a full priced game. You can't sell shit like the mobile games.
And if anybody can get what they want with money, it destroys rarity and value.
Randomness creates rarity, which means the only thing left was random loot crates to buy, which is the mobile route.
They would have gotten murdered by everybody else. Bad reviews would probably lead to poorer sales.
This way they get to keep people engaged and spend more time on the game to get equipment instead of just playing story mode then playing a bit online and moving on.
After SFV you don't want to piss people off.
I don't know what their solution will be for skins and movie costumes etc...
Shaders will be bought that turn maybe some characters into closer models to the actors. The costumes might be free updates added to random gear or through ingame events.
pock3tmonster
Banned
I'm expecting Premier Skins to be somewhat expensive given the new voices, dialogue and looks, if NRS opt to go for free content updates. There is more work involved in the development of a Premier Skin in comparison to an alternate costume. Looking at the Destiny model, however, I could see NRS instead releasing smaller paid expansions with new gear, abilities, shaders and single-player content. NRS have plans to support this game long-term, far longer than their previous titles and that costs money. I don't think new characters and Premier Skins (without an intense release schedule) alone are going to be enough to fund that support. As opposed to the "low development cost" alternate costumes that are more attractive to consumers as impulse buys.
GringoSuave89
Banned
pock3tmonster
Banned
Exactly. Gear can be obtainable in-game, yet still bought in loot boxes/crates. It's a model that is becoming increasingly common and I'd not be surprised to see implemented in this game.