INSIDE APPLE'S MASSIVE PUSH TO TRANSFORM THE MAC INTO A GAMING PARADISE

Only a fool would buy a mac to play games

For people on the verge of buying a Mac, having the option of playing the latest AAA games is another box ticked that that will likely sway that decision.

For people who don’t own a console or a PC and only use a Mac for computing, this is a way for them to discover games too.

From a developers perspective, Mac has never been so popular and with iPad Air and Pro sporting the same M series chips as Macs means there’s an even bigger potential audience for their AAA games in Apple’s ecosystem.
 
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LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
What a piece of garbage ecosystem has this got bumped and just reminds me of how I don't want to play games on Mac. Especially when you consider their prices not necessarily the quality of their hardware. I do like the Mac mini though
 
Their hardware is there now. They just need software support. Five year old ports of resident evil games just aren’t going to cut it.

They need things like dedicated ports of the biggest service games. How overwatch never came to Mac is totally beyond me.
 

Wildebeest

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Their hardware is there now. They just need software support. Five year old ports of resident evil games just aren’t going to cut it.

They need things like dedicated ports of the biggest service games. How overwatch never came to Mac is totally beyond me.
Hardware almost doesn't matter. People do an expensive port of a big game to mac, and they get two or three digit sales figures. Mac owners use 10-year-old kit and are the sort of people who are proud that they don't spend any of their time on computer games.
 

RCX

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Technically it can play AAA very well.

Then they put AAA on the platform and it sells 8000 copies.

Apple people have been broken by the appstore model. The market for game pricing there is hopelessly distorted.
 

Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
I don’t get why they don’t do the steam deck trick?

All i need is steam deck compatibility and gaming on apple would be amazing.

Come to think of it..
a shit ton of indie games work just fine on my macbook m1pro 16 inch 1TB

Two point museum
Factorio
Loop hero
Balatro
Caves of Qud
 

StereoVsn

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I have an M3 Pro MBPro and it’s fairly competent at games it can play. There is a smattering of developers who do support it like Owlcat, Larian and Paradox. And I actually like and play games from these studios.

You can also use CrossOver to play non supported games through a translation layer and it’s surprisingly decent for quite a few of them.

That said, yeah, I didn’t buy MBPro for gaming. But if you do have one, between available games, emulation, CrossOver, and streaming, there is plenty to do.
 
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Using M3 MBAir (2024) to play visual novels. The only caveat is that it runs Windows 11 ARM via VMware. So, yeah, whatever Apple is doing - it's not quite up to the task.
 

twilo99

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What is the the main reason for something like the mini not being able to run most games? Is strictly a developer issue?

That m4 Mac mini is such a good machine. I saw that people are upgrading the SSD themselves I think you can buy 2tb for around $250
 
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nemiroff

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I have an M3 Pro MBPro and it’s fairly competent at games it can play. There is a smattering of developers who do support it like Owlcat, Larian and Paradox. And I actually like and play games from these studios.

You can also use CrossOver to play non supported games through a translation layer and it’s surprisingly decent for quite a few of them.

That said, yeah, I didn’t buy MBPro for gaming. But if you do have one, between available games, emulation, CrossOver, and streaming, there is plenty to do.
The last time I gamed on my MBP it burnt the hairs off my thighs and sounded like a jet taking off.
 
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diffusionx

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What is the the main reason for something like the mini not being able to run most games? Is strictly a developer issue?

That m4 Mac mini is such a good machine. I saw that people are upgrading the SSD themselves I think you can buy 2tb for around $250
It's an ARM based system with a different set of APIs.

I think the problem is that people on the Mac side just don't buy and play these games.
 
It's an ARM based system with a different set of APIs.

I think the problem is that people on the Mac side just don't buy and play these games.

The thing is the technology is there and there’s now a huge amount of Macs and iPads out there with M series chips, and it’ll only grow as people upgrade from their old Intel Macs and A series iPads. Once Intel based Macs become a small minority then we’ll see some serious software changes at Apple.

The problem is people who have been buying Macs and iPads for years never bought them to play AAA games.

Apple would need a huge marketing campaign to change this and they need to help developers to ship AAA games on Mac/iPad the same day they ship on consoles and PC.

Each year gets better through. Hopefully WWDC25 has a bunch of new game reveals like last year.
 
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StereoVsn

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The last time I gamed on my MBP it burnt the hairs off my thighs and sounded like a jet taking off.
The newer ones? My M3 Pro 14 doesn’t run too loud or super hot. I don’t game on my lap though and do have a protective shell.

If you have Max version in 14” size I could see it getting quite hot though.
 

phant0m

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Their hardware is there now. They just need software support. Five year old ports of resident evil games just aren’t going to cut it.

They need things like dedicated ports of the biggest service games. How overwatch never came to Mac is totally beyond me.

Palworld released a few weeks ago. AC Shadows is coming out tomorrow. BG3, No Man's Sky and W40K: Rogue Trader have had solid Mac versions for over a year.

Path of Exile 2 also coming to Mac after EA

Obviously this is a drop in the bucket compared to Windows but there is some modern AAA support.

CrossOver has come a long way as well. I've got like 60+ hours in Tekken 8 on my M2 Max Mac Studio. D2R and Diablo 4 run well there too.
 
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Dorfdad

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Hardware almost doesn't matter. People do an expensive port of a big game to mac, and they get two or three digit sales figures. Mac owners use 10-year-old kit and are the sort of people who are proud that they don't spend any of their time on computer games.
Wrong I actually game on my m4 Mac a lot, steam has tons of Mac games,, crossover, parallels, etc allow a lot of AAA games, emulators, osx more secure, less crashes, has my messages built in, dead quiet gaming and more. For competitive titles I’d never play pc as they are filled with hackers and cheats. So I have a ps5 Pro for those titles.

But to say no one games on them is factually incorrect.
 

StereoVsn

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Palworld released a few weeks ago. AC Shadows is coming out tomorrow. BG3, No Man's Sky and W40K: Rogue Trader have had solid Mac versions for over a year.

Path of Exile 2 also coming to Mac after EA

Obviously this is a drop in the bucket compared to Windows but there is some modern AA(A) support.
Yeah, and I have been playing Larian’s, Owlcat’s and Paradox games for a while. Kind of regret a bit not going for 16” screen, but 14” one is just so much better for travel.
 

phant0m

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Yeah, and I have been playing Larian’s, Owlcat’s and Paradox games for a while. Kind of regret a bit not going for 16” screen, but 14” one is just so much better for travel.
Dock to a monitor at home. I have the 32" Alienware AW3225QF and all the "gaming" features work out of the box - HDR, VRR (48-120hz), and 240hz modes.
 

StereoVsn

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Dock to a monitor at home. I have the 32" Alienware AW3225QF and all the "gaming" features work out of the box - HDR, VRR (48-120hz), and 240hz modes.
Oh, at home I have a proper gaming PC. I do have a dock and it is hooked up to non gaming monitor as I use it for other stuff.
 

Magic Carpet

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The M4 in my iPad is being wasted.
I should have just kept my old one.
I regert.
Any chance Apple will flip a switch and load Mac onto this thing?
 

daffyduck

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Resident Evil 3 available on Mac, iPad and iPhone.

Universal purchase and cross-progress supported

Except they’re still insisting on an active internet connection every time the game is started. Shame on Capcom.
 

phant0m

Member
The M4 in my iPad is being wasted.
I should have just kept my old one.
I regert.
Any chance Apple will flip a switch and load Mac onto this thing?

Zero chance. But why wasted? The App Store is FULL of games new and old. All the RE games on Mac work on iPad w/ a controller. Warframe is on there. RuneScape, BDO, Alien Isolation, D:OS 2, all the mihoyo games, so much available - only "wasted" if you let it be.

Plus there's retroarch, PPSSPP if that's more your thing.
 
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StereoVsn

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Stage Manager helps but an option for a more traditional desktop experience when connected to something like the magic keyboard would go a long way toward increasing usability.
Yep, proper multitasking especially with another screen hooked up is a must.
 
It seems like a chicken or egg situation. But, personally, with M chips coming to most devices, hopefully Apple will include M chip in the next Apple TV and iPad Mini.

This would help expedite playing anywhere. Apple still needs to money hat ports though. This will take years.

Apple should also look to acquire IP for TV, Movie and gaming. Whatever that is. IMO, i was surprised Apple never purchased Muppets, and Seasame Street when they licensed Fraggle Rock. They could have rebooted it all.

Same goes for old ip like Garfield, or CareBears.

They should be looking high and low at IP, imo. Mass Effect (if EA wanted to sell it), Babylon 5, Battlestar Galatica, possibly the Tom Clancy franchise (movies and games).

Things like Ninja Turtles being sold to Nickelodeon for very little is a mistake on Apple, and Disney’s parts.

IP that would likely be cheap.

Twilight Zone
X files?
Comics that are not DC/Marvel (Walking Dead was a great pickup from AMC)
Power Rangers

Hell…things like Buffy, Magnum PI or Matlock would have been good reboots for Apple. Find IP that are not used or has strong appeal to male and female.

Apple needs original IP as well. But having some familiar names to drive adoption would help as well.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Fetch isn't happening. Apple will be a gaming paradise about the same time Linux takes over...so never.
Hmm I wouldn't rule out Linux making a big dent once SteamOS really gets going.
But for Apple, gaming is just a value add for them, they aren't going to be selling many devices purely on the back of gaming - it's just allowing their users an extra use for the computer they bought for other uses.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Why would Apple money hat AAA gaming when they have the shitty but vastly more profitable mobile gaming on lockdown?
Didn't you see the Circana thread, mobile spending is dropping off along with regular console and PC game spending.
Subscriptions are the new hotness.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
It seems like a chicken or egg situation. But, personally, with M chips coming to most devices, hopefully Apple will include M chip in the next Apple TV and iPad Mini.

This would help expedite playing anywhere. Apple still needs to money hat ports though. This will take years.

Apple should also look to acquire IP for TV, Movie and gaming. Whatever that is. IMO, i was surprised Apple never purchased Muppets, and Seasame Street when they licensed Fraggle Rock. They could have rebooted it all.

Same goes for old ip like Garfield, or CareBears.

They should be looking high and low at IP, imo. Mass Effect (if EA wanted to sell it), Babylon 5, Battlestar Galatica, possibly the Tom Clancy franchise (movies and games).

Things like Ninja Turtles being sold to Nickelodeon for very little is a mistake on Apple, and Disney’s parts.

IP that would likely be cheap.

Twilight Zone
X files?
Comics that are not DC/Marvel (Walking Dead was a great pickup from AMC)
Power Rangers

Hell…things like Buffy, Magnum PI or Matlock would have been good reboots for Apple. Find IP that are not used or has strong appeal to male and female.

Apple needs original IP as well. But having some familiar names to drive adoption would help as well.
huh?

lol you think Apple wants to become a game dev?
 

StereoVsn

Gold Member
huh?

lol you think Apple wants to become a game dev?
Yep, chances of Apple ever wanting to deal with that shit when they can just collect 30% rep in the App Store…

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