Intel B580 has serious issues with driver overhead

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TLDR, with low end or older CPUs, Battlemage GPUs have huge performance drops in CPU heavy games. Much greater than GPUs from AMD or Nvidia.
This drop is so big, it makes the B580 to have performance on par with a GTX 1060.
This means that buying a B580 to make a quick and cheap upgrade for an older or low end system, will have performance issues in several games.
Also, ReBar continues to be very important for Intel GPUs to have good performance. So make sure your system has this feature enabled.
Intel has been notified and is working to find out what is the problem with their drivers.

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Damn that's really bad, does not really make sense to power mid-range by high end cpu. Even tho CPUs are relatively cheap in comparison to GPUs
 
dont want to be that person, i guess thats the bad side of pc hardware.

Too many different hardware from different brands, nearly impossible to QA everything.
 
How the f does that get missed by QA? This is a budget card that goes into budget PCs for fuck's sake.

Does Intel QA only run 14700k and up!?

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lh032 said:
dont want to be that person, i guess thats the bad side of pc hardware.

Too many different hardware from different brands, nearly impossible to QA everything.
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Although that is a problem with PC gaming, in this particular situation it's an issue with Intel's drivers alone.
Even in their marketing, they set the B580 as a budget card that was perfect for low end systems or to upgrade older systems.
So one would expect they would have checked with these machines.
 
Just when we needed competition in the gpu market and intel were finally getting some good word of mouth and goodwill they fuck up this badly..
 
It seems to me that there is a lack of information about who produced these videos. Since the previous generation, Intel has reported which CPUs are recommended for use with Arc GPUs.

AMD and Nvidia have years of experience in their drivers, so a lot of legacy is built in, which is why they suffer less from these discrepancies between new and old hardware.

www.intel.com

How to Check if my Processor Supports Intel® Arc™ Graphics

List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

Summary
List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
Description
I want to know if my Intel processor works with an Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics card
Resolution
Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

Intel Arc Graphics CardCPUMotherboard
Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A770 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A750 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A380 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A310 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A50 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A40 Graphics
13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled

Supported Hardware Configurations

Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ B-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

CPUMotherboard
  • Intel® Core™ Ultra Processors
  • Intel 800 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 14th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • 10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • AMD Ryzen™ 9000 Series Processors
  • AMD Ryzen™ 8000 Series Processors2
  • AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled
  • AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
  • Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors
    (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled

www.intel.com

Intel® Arc™ Graphics – Desktop Quick Start Guide

System requirements for Intel® Arc™ Graphics for desktop.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
 
Told you so.

I said there is safety in numbers. Nvidia has numbers. Not intel, not amd. Why would anyone recommend any gpu from anyone but the company with the highest userbase? The software we play will work with Nvidia, and guaranteed to work well. Why roll the dice with an unknown?

Also, when everyone in gaming is telling you what to buy, why be contrary? Enjoy your mid range at best technical issues I guess.
 
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Zacfoldor said:
Told you so.

I said there is safety in numbers. Nvidia has numbers. Not intel, not amd. Why would anyone recommend any gpu from anyone but the company with the highest userbase? The software we play will work with Nvidia, and guaranteed to work well. Why roll the dice with an unknown?

Also, when everyone in gaming is telling you what to buy, why be contrary? Enjoy your mid range at best technical issues I guess.
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Because they are the main reason pc gaming has been extremely expensive. Why wouldn't you want different makers to rise up? Also lol at Nvidia having no issues.

Nvidia has been a pretty scammy company in general (i am still mad about the 970).

I have been using a 7900XT for the last year and it works great (don't care about raytracing though). Companies need competitors (see how Sony has been in the last 6 years).
 
Wolzard said:
It seems to me that there is a lack of information about who produced these videos. Since the previous generation, Intel has reported which CPUs are recommended for use with Arc GPUs.

AMD and Nvidia have years of experience in their drivers, so a lot of legacy is built in, which is why they suffer less from these discrepancies between new and old hardware.

www.intel.com

How to Check if my Processor Supports Intel® Arc™ Graphics

List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

Summary
List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
Description
I want to know if my Intel processor works with an Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics card
Resolution
Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

Intel Arc Graphics CardCPUMotherboard
Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A770 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A750 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A380 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A310 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A50 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A40 Graphics
13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled

Supported Hardware Configurations

Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ B-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

CPUMotherboard
  • Intel® Core™ Ultra Processors
  • Intel 800 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 14th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • 10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • AMD Ryzen™ 9000 Series Processors
  • AMD Ryzen™ 8000 Series Processors2
  • AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled
  • AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
  • Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors
    (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled

www.intel.com

Intel® Arc™ Graphics – Desktop Quick Start Guide

System requirements for Intel® Arc™ Graphics for desktop.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
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Let's start with the obvious. AMD and Nvidia GPUs do not have these issues with lower end and older CPUs. The big advantage of the PC is upgradability, something that people are use to do, simply because it has always worked with AMD and Nvidia.
Then there is the problem that 10th gen is the same architecture that is the 9th, 8th, 7th and 6th generation CPUs. At this point in time, Intel was just rebranding the same generation, and adding a few extra mhz and occasionally, some extra cores. Only the 11th generation is a true new architecture.
So this arbitrary cut off on 10th gen is complete non-sense.
And lastly, when Intel answered to Hardware's Cannuck, they didn't say users should not use Battlemage with older CPUs. They said they are looking into it and are going to try to fix the drivers.
 
Wolzard said:
It seems to me that there is a lack of information about who produced these videos. Since the previous generation, Intel has reported which CPUs are recommended for use with Arc GPUs.

AMD and Nvidia have years of experience in their drivers, so a lot of legacy is built in, which is why they suffer less from these discrepancies between new and old hardware.

www.intel.com

How to Check if my Processor Supports Intel® Arc™ Graphics

List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

Summary
List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
Description
I want to know if my Intel processor works with an Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics card
Resolution
Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

Intel Arc Graphics CardCPUMotherboard
Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A770 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A750 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A380 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A310 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A50 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A40 Graphics
13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled

Supported Hardware Configurations

Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ B-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

CPUMotherboard
  • Intel® Core™ Ultra Processors
  • Intel 800 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 14th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • 10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • AMD Ryzen™ 9000 Series Processors
  • AMD Ryzen™ 8000 Series Processors2
  • AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled
  • AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
  • Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors
    (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled

www.intel.com

Intel® Arc™ Graphics – Desktop Quick Start Guide

System requirements for Intel® Arc™ Graphics for desktop.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
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Same with Alchemist, BM takes a big performance hit without reBAR/SAM - in select titles and frame times dramatically more inconsistant.
 
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hinch7 said:
Same with Alchemist, BM takes a big performance hit without reBAR/SAM - in select titles and frame times dramatically more inconsistant.
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That is not the problem at hand. Both the Hardware Cannucks and hardware Unboxed tests, were done with ReBar enabled.
 
Zacfoldor said:
Told you so.

I said there is safety in numbers. Nvidia has numbers. Not intel, not amd. Why would anyone recommend any gpu from anyone but the company with the highest userbase? The software we play will work with Nvidia, and guaranteed to work well. Why roll the dice with an unknown?

Also, when everyone in gaming is telling you what to buy, why be contrary? Enjoy your mid range at best technical issues I guess.
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This is a ridiculous take. I get knocking Intel for being brand new altogether in the space, but AMD…? AMD's drivers have been fine for years yet people parrot circa 2006 garbage, hurr durr AMD bad.

Nvidia has a micro stutter issue with their latest driver with Indiana Jones. The only way to fix it is to find a manual hotfix update on their website. The user has to search for it themselves as it's not available via the Nvidia app.
 
New product, new drivers, it will all only get better every day.

I don't think it's a major deal as it's not anything that can't be fixed through software… since it's a software issue to begin with.

Still buying Intel or AMD when needing to upgrade my 3070.
 
I don't really think this is a huge deal. If you haven't upgraded your cpu since you bought your 10 series, that's on you. I can understand gpus because the gpu market has been shit, but we've had multiple generations of absolute banter cpus since… 2016? Time flies.
 
winjer said:
Let's start with the obvious. AMD and Nvidia GPUs do not have these issues with lower end and older CPUs. The big advantage of the PC is upgradability, something that people are use to do, simply because it has always worked with AMD and Nvidia.
Then there is the problem that 10th gen is the same architecture that is the 9th, 8th, 7th and 6th generation CPUs. At this point in time, Intel was just rebranding the same generation, and adding a few extra mhz and occasionally, some extra cores. Only the 11th generation is a true new architecture.
So this arbitrary cut off on 10th gen is complete non-sense.
And lastly, when Intel answered to Hardware's Cannuck, they didn't say users should not use Battlemage with older CPUs. They said they are looking into it and are going to try to fix the drivers.
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AMD and Nvidia have a legacy, which is loaded into their drivers, which are always an iteration of the previous one. Intel has now entered the DGPU market, this is the same reason why these cards (Arc) do not natively support DX11, 9c and OpenGL, it is necessary to emulate them.

Intel's 10th generation is not a mere rebranding, once again support hyperthreading, support ReBAR, PCI-e 4.0. Intel reused the same nodes, but the CPU is not a simple rebrand.

The requirement is in the product manual. This is pure clickbait.
 
Wolzard said:
AMD and Nvidia have a legacy, which is loaded into their drivers, which are always an iteration of the previous one. Intel has now entered the DGPU market, this is the same reason why these cards (Arc) do not natively support DX11, 9c and OpenGL, it is necessary to emulate them.

Intel's 10th generation is not a mere rebranding, once again support hyperthreading, support ReBAR, PCI-e 4.0. Intel reused the same nodes, but the CPU is not a simple rebrand.

The requirement is in the product manual. This is pure clickbait.
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Intel has been in the GPU market for decades. Not so much with dedicated GPUs, but with Integrated GPUs.
If we consider iGPs, then Intel is the world biggest supplier of GPUs.
Still, no one is saying that having problems with drivers is exclusive to Intel. AMD and Nvidia also have them.
Just recently Nvidia had issues with their drivers and overlay causing performance issues. And there was a thread for people to talk about that in this forum.

Intel's 10th generation is not the only one that supports HT. Even the old Pentium 4 3.06Ghz supported that tech. And so does the 6700K and many other CPUs in the Intel iCore family.
ReBar is not exclusive to 10th Gen and it also works on Gen3. PCIe Gen 4 is not a change to a CPU architecture, it's just a change to the IO.

Not even Intel is making the excuse that the manual only supports 10th gen onwards. That is only you.
They answer is that they are looking into it and plan to fix it.
 
Wolzard said:
It seems to me that there is a lack of information about who produced these videos. Since the previous generation, Intel has reported which CPUs are recommended for use with Arc GPUs.

AMD and Nvidia have years of experience in their drivers, so a lot of legacy is built in, which is why they suffer less from these discrepancies between new and old hardware.

www.intel.com

How to Check if my Processor Supports Intel® Arc™ Graphics

List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

Summary
List of compatible processors with Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics cards.
Description
I want to know if my Intel processor works with an Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics card
Resolution
Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

Intel Arc Graphics CardCPUMotherboard
Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A770 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A750 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A380 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ A310 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A50 Graphics
  • Intel® Arc™ Pro A40 Graphics
13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors:
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled1
AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled

Supported Hardware Configurations

Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ B-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below.

CPUMotherboard
  • Intel® Core™ Ultra Processors
  • Intel 800 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 14th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled
  • 11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • 10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
  • Intel 500 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • Intel 400 Series motherboard with
    Resizable BAR support enabled1
  • AMD Ryzen™ 9000 Series Processors
  • AMD Ryzen™ 8000 Series Processors2
  • AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
  • AMD 600 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled
  • AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
  • Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors
    (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
  • AMD 500 Series motherboard with
    Smart Access Memory enabled

www.intel.com

Intel® Arc™ Graphics – Desktop Quick Start Guide

System requirements for Intel® Arc™ Graphics for desktop.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
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Folks hate reading the manual.
 
Zacfoldor said:
Told you so.

I said there is safety in numbers. Nvidia has numbers. Not intel, not amd. Why would anyone recommend any gpu from anyone but the company with the highest userbase?
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This is the dumbest shit I've seen for a while. I wouldn't buy Intel CPUs right now despite "safety in numbers", and Nvidia is pricing the GPUs to the fucking moon. Shit's too expensive, that's why you don't go for them.
 
winjer said:
Intel has been in the GPU market for decades. Not so much with dedicated GPUs, but with Integrated GPUs.
If we consider iGPs, then Intel is the world biggest supplier of GPUs.
Still, no one is saying that having problems with drivers is exclusive to Intel. AMD and Nvidia also have them.
Just recently Nvidia had issues with their drivers and overlay causing performance issues. And there was a thread for people to talk about that in this forum.

Intel's 10th generation is not the only one that supports HT. Even the old Pentium 4 3.06Ghz supported that tech. And so does the 6700K and many other CPUs in the Intel iCore family.
ReBar is not exclusive to 10th Gen and it also works on Gen3. PCIe Gen 4 is not a change to a CPU architecture, it's just a change to the IO.

Not even Intel is making the excuse that the manual only supports 10th gen onwards. That is only you.
They answer is that they are looking into it and plan to fix it.
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Old Intel iGPUs were a very different thing. They basically served to provide video and hardware acceleration in browsers, Intel just focused on something more robust with the Xe architecture (which encompasses GPUs from all segments). It's something completely from scratch, without any legacy.

Regarding processors, 9th generation does not have hyperthreading. A 9700k is 8/8.

You are making excuses just like these Youtubers. It's in the box that is to be used from the 10th generation onwards, due to ReBAR.

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Wolzard said:
Old Intel iGPUs were a very different thing. They basically served to provide video and hardware acceleration in browsers, Intel just focused on something more robust with the Xe architecture (which encompasses GPUs from all segments). It's something completely from scratch, without any legacy.
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Most Intel CPUs have an integrated GPU. Most recently they have the Xe cores, that come in the dedicated GPUs.
And no, it's not just for browsing and internet. Intel has proposed them could be used for light gaming.
For a while, Intel even proposed using the iGP in conjunction with an AMD or Nvidia GPU to, accelerate game. A Frankenstein form of SLI.
I even tried using it with a 2600K. And it worked in BF3. But it was a bit of a hassle to make it work. And frame times were worse.
Intel might not have a footprint in gaming GPUs as big as AMD or Nvidia, but they have been active, for several decades now.

Wolzard said:
Regarding processors, 9th generation does not have hyperthreading. A 9700k is 8/8.
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The 9900K has HT. The 8700K has HT. The 7700K has HT. And the 6700K. And the 4770K. And the 3770K. And the 2600K.
Even the 9th gen CPU line, had a Pentium with 2 cores and HT.
The reality, is that HT is not a new feature to 10th gen. Not even close.

Wolzard said:
You are making excuses just like these Youtubers. It's in the box that is to be used from the 10th generation onwards, due to ReBAR.
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Good thing you don't manage the Intel's driver team, otherwise all consumers would get is a poor excuse, referring a manual, and a big middle finger.
And good thing there is someone at Intel that looks at this and tries to fix it.
 
winjer said:
Most Intel CPUs have an integrated GPU. Most recently they have the Xe cores, that come in the dedicated GPUs.
And no, it's not just for browsing and internet. Intel has proposed them could be used for light gaming.
For a while, Intel even proposed using the iGP in conjunction with an AMD or Nvidia GPU to, accelerate game. A Frankenstein form of SLI.
I even tried using it with a 2600K. And it worked in BF3. But it was a bit of a hassle to make it work. And frame times were worse.
Intel might not have a footprint in gaming GPUs as big as AMD or Nvidia, but they have been active, for several decades now.



The 9900K has HT. The 8700K has HT. The 7700K has HT. And the 6700K. And the 4770K. And the 3770K. And the 2600K.
Even the 9th gen CPU line, had a Pentium with 2 cores and HT.
The reality, is that HT is not a new feature to 10th gen. Not even close.



Good thing you don't manage the Intel's driver team, otherwise all consumers would get is a poor excuse, referring a manual, and a big middle finger.
And good thing there is someone at Intel that looks at this and tries to fix it.
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The Xe architecture was created with a view to being used not only in iGPUs, but in desktops and servers.

Before that, there was Intel Graphics which was basically for light applications. This was thrown away and a new architecture was created from scratch. Any interaction that Intel had made in the past was not taken advantage of, because there was nothing to take advantage of.

The 9900k is the only one with hyperthreading, it was released later and was a 500 dollar CPU. As it was absent from a large part of the 9th generation line, yes, it was new in the 10th.

If you can't read a simple warning, there's no point complaining. Any technical support will inform you that you are using the product outside of the minimum requirements. Practically every hardware product has some warning like this, for example, you are warned that an RTX 4080, for example, works on Windows 10 and 11 and Linux version X. Any other use outside of these specifications is not supported.
 
Wolzard said:
The Xe architecture was created with a view to being used not only in iGPUs, but in desktops and servers.

Before that, there was Intel Graphics which was basically for light applications. This was thrown away and a new architecture was created from scratch. Any interaction that Intel had made in the past was not taken advantage of, because there was nothing to take advantage of.
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I have seen Intel, so many times claim their iGPs could do light gaming.
Even use a form of SLI with dedicated GPUs.
And Intel drivers did suport games. And people did do some light gaming on them, even befo9re the Xe architecture.

Wolzard said:
The 9900k is the only one with hyperthreading, it was released later and was a 500 dollar CPU. As it was absent from a large part of the 9th generation line, yes, it was new in the 10th.
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You forget all the other CPUs from Intel that have HT. Even in the 9th gen, such as the Pentium.

Wolzard said:
If you can't read a simple warning, there's no point complaining. Any technical support will inform you that you are using the product outside of the minimum requirements. Practically every hardware product has some warning like this, for example, you are warned that an RTX 4080, for example, works on Windows 10 and 11 and Linux version X. Any other use outside of these specifications is not supported.
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That is what you claim, that only CPUs on that manual should work.
Meanwhile Intel is doing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
Once again, good thing you are not running the Intel driver team.
 
winjer said:
I have seen Intel, so many times claim their iGPs could do light gaming.
Even use a form of SLI with dedicated GPUs.
And Intel drivers did suport games. And people did do some light gaming on them, even befo9re the Xe architecture.



You forget all the other CPUs from Intel that have HT. Even in the 9th gen, such as the Pentium.



That is what you claim, that only CPUs on that manual should work.
Meanwhile Intel is doing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
Once again, good thing you are not running the Intel driver team.
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winjer said:
Are you starting to understand things?
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I simply gave up trying to explain anything to you. You understand everything wrong and insist on the error.
Either you have blind faith in what you believe or you are just a troll.
About Xbox memory, it was the same thing.
 
Wolzard said:
I simply gave up trying to explain anything to you. You understand everything wrong and insist on the error.
Either you have blind faith in what you believe or you are just a troll.
About Xbox memory, it was the same thing.
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You make obvious lies, such as that the 10th gen was the first to have HT.
And then you change to claim that the 9th gen only has the 9900K with HT. When there are several CPUs in that gen with HT.
Here is the list for you to see. So top lying about such basic things, that can be checked with a simple search.

www.anandtech.com

Intel 9th Gen Core Processors: All the Desktop and Mobile 45W CPUs Announced

www.anandtech.com www.anandtech.com
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
No he did not, he said the 10th gen once again supported HT, he never said it was the first or that it was new tech.
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The argument was that he stated that 10th gen was not a rebrand. And that HT was a reason why it was not a rebrand, because it was new.
But all Core generations support HT. So it was never a new feature. So my assertion that 10th gen is a rebrand stands.
And when I showed that 9th gen already had the 9900K with HT, he claimed that was the only one.
But there are several 9th gen CPUs with HT. And I posted the list.

Wolzard said:
The 9900k is the only one with hyperthreading, it was released later and was a 500 dollar CPU. As it was absent from a large part of the 9th generation line, yes, it was new in the 10th.
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winjer said:
So my assertion that 10th gen is a rebrand stands.
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None of this matters, you accused him of lying by saying the 10th gen was the first to have HT
winjer said:
You make obvious lies, such as that the 10th gen was the first to have HT.
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You also accused him of forgetting all the HT cpus of the past
winjer said:
You forget all the other CPUs from Intel that have HT.
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He claimed nor said either things, he said the 10th gen once again had HT; if you want to debate him on that go ahead, but don't accuse him of something that was never said.
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
None of this matters, you accused him of lying by saying the 10th gen was the first to have HT

You also accused him of forgetting all the HT cpus of the past

He claimed nor said either things, he said the 10th gen once again had HT; if you want to debate him on that go ahead, but don't accuse him of something that was never said.
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He clearly stated that 10th gen having HT was a new feature that distinguished it from previous gens, making it not a rebrand.
That is false. All Core CPUs have SKUs with HT. Even the old Lynnfield have HT.
HT is not a distinguish feature in 10th gen, from any other Core gen. None.
Saying that 10th gen is not a rebrand because it has HT, is patently false.
 
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